Chapter Discussion Did Chapter 970 ruin your opinion on Kaido?
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And unless you find a way to prove Kaido IS WSC and not something people say, it doesn't matter. See how I can do it too?!!
The point remains. Now, I have the Arsenal to poke at Kaido. If that is not dehyping Kaido, then what is?
And the fodder subordinates are still closer to the battlefield than regular people. They have (even if not very significant) better understanding of strength than regular people.
The point remains. Now, I have the Arsenal to poke at Kaido. If that is not dehyping Kaido, then what is?
And the fodder subordinates are still closer to the battlefield than regular people. They have (even if not very significant) better understanding of strength than regular people.
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And I got it out of my ass?!!! We are both reading the same thing and both decided to take different meanings to it.
For now, both of our views are mere conjecture. But I am not trying to prove Kaido is weak. I am trying to prove that Kaido is not the strongest and I have. You on the other hand is trying to prove Kaido as the strongest.
For now, both of our views are mere conjecture. But I am not trying to prove Kaido is weak. I am trying to prove that Kaido is not the strongest and I have. You on the other hand is trying to prove Kaido as the strongest.
What does Krieg and his subordinates have to do with a Yonkou crew who literally know everything of the world except the last few islands? And why would the subordinates talk about being surprised Kaidou not being invincible if they did not actually believe it, especially since there was no reason to hype him there in the moment?
And what makes you think Marines and WG people hyped Kaidou instead of the people who think Luffy is a 8m tall villain?
Arguments are getting thinner.
And what makes you think Marines and WG people hyped Kaidou instead of the people who think Luffy is a 8m tall villain?
Arguments are getting thinner.
Why would you assume that? And why would you assume the people from "people say" are not low IQ?
And why are their opinion automatically less valuable than the people we do not know who claimed Kaidou is strongest and invincible?
Kind of weird that the subordinates thought Kaidou is invincible 20 years ago were wrong, but the people who apparently call him that and the strongest 20 years later are automatically right, people who we know nothing of who they are.
And why are their opinion automatically less valuable than the people we do not know who claimed Kaidou is strongest and invincible?
Kind of weird that the subordinates thought Kaidou is invincible 20 years ago were wrong, but the people who apparently call him that and the strongest 20 years later are automatically right, people who we know nothing of who they are.
I can't get lose of the feeling, that Oda again did just everything in order to not reveal any of Kaido's major abilities. I'm with @HeroesNZ on this one.
The narrative was again far more relevant than powerlvls, which is not a bad thing and actually should be this way, but let's not act like it isn't this way.
Similar thing happened to Jack.
Thing is Kaido has, by a mile, the stat wise strongest Zoan df. It's to a point where I'm asking myself what Oda was even thinking when he created this one, granted that base Kaido already one shots other high and top tiers. Ancient zoans are already extremely powerful, but his fruit is off the charts. It's a real possibility that he in his awakened hybrid mode, can low/low mid diff his own base. It's not some Jabra, wolf df kinda thing. It's a sub tiers skipping power up, people really seem to forget that.
With that said: Him getting wounded in dragon form and then this hostage distraction one shot is faaar to convenient for me. Oda kept it as short as possible and w/o revealing anything unnecessary. We can't even say for sure it Oden used adv. CoA, cause all the attack preparation scenes where skipped. It's so obvious, what Oda does here.
I'm glad that Oden could do it w/o that last resort "Enma sucking all of his haki out" - thing, that many speculated on and all this definitely put a number on Kaido's invincibility hype. I like it this way, this makes him atleast realistically beatable. And I now think that his df power is a big chunk of his overall power aswell. So in some way it, yes, somewhat dehyped Kaido for me, in particular base Kaido. Earlier or later his durability had to be exposed tho.
He still has his WSC title, his 1on1 hype and his real powerful df abilities in the recent story tho, that's why I still think he's probably nearly unbeatable all out. And pulling out those still hidden abilities, will probably be the twist during the war, after Luffy hammered his base.
The narrative was again far more relevant than powerlvls, which is not a bad thing and actually should be this way, but let's not act like it isn't this way.
Similar thing happened to Jack.
Thing is Kaido has, by a mile, the stat wise strongest Zoan df. It's to a point where I'm asking myself what Oda was even thinking when he created this one, granted that base Kaido already one shots other high and top tiers. Ancient zoans are already extremely powerful, but his fruit is off the charts. It's a real possibility that he in his awakened hybrid mode, can low/low mid diff his own base. It's not some Jabra, wolf df kinda thing. It's a sub tiers skipping power up, people really seem to forget that.
With that said: Him getting wounded in dragon form and then this hostage distraction one shot is faaar to convenient for me. Oda kept it as short as possible and w/o revealing anything unnecessary. We can't even say for sure it Oden used adv. CoA, cause all the attack preparation scenes where skipped. It's so obvious, what Oda does here.
I'm glad that Oden could do it w/o that last resort "Enma sucking all of his haki out" - thing, that many speculated on and all this definitely put a number on Kaido's invincibility hype. I like it this way, this makes him atleast realistically beatable. And I now think that his df power is a big chunk of his overall power aswell. So in some way it, yes, somewhat dehyped Kaido for me, in particular base Kaido. Earlier or later his durability had to be exposed tho.
He still has his WSC title, his 1on1 hype and his real powerful df abilities in the recent story tho, that's why I still think he's probably nearly unbeatable all out. And pulling out those still hidden abilities, will probably be the twist during the war, after Luffy hammered his base.
From what I understand from this manga WB dominated seas 20 years ago, he was the one 99% people considered to be INVINCIBLE.
I simply point out the dude who thought Kaido was invincible back then might be a low iq retard. It's actually realistic for them to think that way if they never witnessed the strength of old gen.
I simply point out the dude who thought Kaido was invincible back then might be a low iq retard. It's actually realistic for them to think that way if they never witnessed the strength of old gen.
The words invincible and WB were not uttered in the same sentence as far as i know. He was called the strongest, and not just "people say", he was introduced as such and also called that by his peers as well, or synonyms of it.
Yeah like i said, why make the distinction between them and people we do not know of. As far as we know, the people are the same people who spread wrong rumors of Luffy.
You are pretending his subordinates are automatically low IQ, but the people who say it now are wonderfully informed about everything.
Yeah like i said, why make the distinction between them and people we do not know of. As far as we know, the people are the same people who spread wrong rumors of Luffy.
You are pretending his subordinates are automatically low IQ, but the people who say it now are wonderfully informed about everything.
I get what you're saying and you're making sense, but whether Kaido was de-hyped all depends on what your view regarding the situation was.
My view was one of Kaido is damn near invulnerable to attacks by those who lack the super-advanced CoA Luffy just learned. But if you possess this ability to destroy things from the inside, I don't see how anything except one's own haki could defend against that. So personally, I was always of the thought that anyone possessing the advanced Haki is capable of harming any non-haki based defense, such as dragon scales or Big Mom.
So seeing Kaido get cut by an advanced CoA user while using no visible Haki defense came as no surprise to me, if anything it just confirmed my theory. I'm interested in seeing Kaido's defense when he is using Haki. But if you thought Kaido was still invincible to even the advanced Haki technique then of course this would de-hype him to you. It all depends on your view.
My view was one of Kaido is damn near invulnerable to attacks by those who lack the super-advanced CoA Luffy just learned. But if you possess this ability to destroy things from the inside, I don't see how anything except one's own haki could defend against that. So personally, I was always of the thought that anyone possessing the advanced Haki is capable of harming any non-haki based defense, such as dragon scales or Big Mom.
So seeing Kaido get cut by an advanced CoA user while using no visible Haki defense came as no surprise to me, if anything it just confirmed my theory. I'm interested in seeing Kaido's defense when he is using Haki. But if you thought Kaido was still invincible to even the advanced Haki technique then of course this would de-hype him to you. It all depends on your view.
Not at all
I thought oden was a top tier at the very least comparable to rayleigh back then so it doesn't surprise me at all that kaido was hurt him
Plus this was kaido 20 years ago and he was in his full zoan form to then oneshot oden in base. While yes his gaurd wasn't up it was still a onehit from base kaido
It doesn't make kaido look bad at all imo
I thought oden was a top tier at the very least comparable to rayleigh back then so it doesn't surprise me at all that kaido was hurt him
Plus this was kaido 20 years ago and he was in his full zoan form to then oneshot oden in base. While yes his gaurd wasn't up it was still a onehit from base kaido
It doesn't make kaido look bad at all imo
