General & Others Did Kid and Killer get any stronger before their rematch against Kaido?

[nik87]

Even if you look at a narrative point of view, it wouldn't make sense to put them on the rooftop if they aren't able to hurt Kaido, people like @nik87 keep saying that they'll be hypetool but they are the same that think that Zoro>Luffy so their word doesn't have that much value to me

Zoro>Luffy indeed and for the rest, you only need to find and quote me where I said those things. Hint: You cant.

On topic: As mentioned, I dont think anything is significantly different about either Kidd and Killer.
The circumstances are on their side this time and instead of 2 traitors, they got 3 capable combatants joining them.

 

[Bil02]

"Killer ate the DF which kid had acquired from fighting BMP and had it hidden in his ship, thats why killer no longer laughs and is cured, He will show his DF powers infuriating BM and their fight with BM begins"
info directly from Oda's Assistant Kojiboro San

Great scenario but killer still has the smile though lol.
He was seen laughing many times this act.

 

[Ricassian]

Zoro>Luffy indeed and for the rest, you only need to find and quote me where I said those things. Hint: You cant.

On topic: As mentioned, I dont think anything is significantly different about either Kidd and Killer.
The circumstances are on their side this time and instead of 2 traitors, they got 3 capable combatants joining them.

If I gotta quote you on every Kidd-Killer slender you spoke this thread would reach 3-4 pages pretty fast

 

[Bil02]

I think so too. They got no time to empower that wise. It generally takes specific training to attain that quickly, like the one Zoro and Luffy undertook.

Well they may be didn't learn advance Coa (unlikely for killer the blademan) but I don't think it has anything to do with time lol.
Killer and Kid had 7 or 8 days to learn/amplify something that can harm Kaido,they had ample time if they wanted imo.

 

[nik87]

If I gotta quote you on every Kidd-Killer slender you spoke this thread would reach 3-4 pages pretty fast

Not every, just the one where I said they will be hype tools.

 

[Finalbeta]

Well they may be didn't learn advance Coa (unlikely for killer the blademan) but I don't think it has anything to do with time lol.
Killer and Kid had 7 or 8 days to learn/amplify something that can harm Kaido,they had ample time if they wanted imo.

I specified unless they could undertake any specific training. That would have shifted the matter and time would not have been anymore remotely significant, since Luffy himself acquired advanced CoA in a very short amount of time. So time is not meant to be that relevant, at least it seems this way if we go by our current knowledge.

 

[Bil02]

The only thing worthy of any significant growth would be the offscreen Kaido fight. Anything else's pretty much are just crumbs.

Luffy got much stronger from his training though and not necessarily from Kaido one shotting him.

Killer and Kid had 7/8 days to improve and find their crewmates.

Did they really train? We'll have confirmation soon.

 

[Ricassian]

Not every, just the one where I said they will be hype tools.

Lucky you don't worry tho, I'd rather stay on topic

I specified unless they could undertake any specific training. That would have shifted the matter and time would not have been anymore remotely significant, since Luffy himself acquired advanced CoA in a very short amount of time. So time is not meant to be that relevant, at least it seems this way if we go by our current knowledge.

They had battles with Kaido and Shanks, they have all the requirements to possess it

 

[nik87]

Lucky you don't worry tho, I'd rather stay on topic

You better do so instead of putting words in my mouth.

 

[Finalbeta]

They had battles with Kaido and Shanks, they have all the requirements to possess it

Well we don't possess evidence of Kidd lacking all forms of advanced haki, this is correct. But there's also no reason to believe he does, since there's no reason to believe he would possess a better haki than Luffy when fighting off Kaido. After all, Shanks plain defeated Kidd, we don't know how good that fight was to him. Haki is generally empowered via intensive training. Luffy went through so many fierceful battles during pre TS, but it was thanks to Rayleigh's aid, or better Rayleigh's suggestions, that he could finally unlock his haki.

 

[Gauntlet]

Luffy got much stronger from his training though and not necessarily from Kaido one shotting him.

Killer and Kid had 7/8 days to improve and find their crewmates.

Did they really train? We'll have confirmation soon.

Luffy was trained in adv. CoA. Kidd and Killer had no such training. I personally don't put much stock in training that won't either push your body to the extreme to the point of passing out or give you new abilities. So it'd be determined by how Kidd and Killer trained.

 

[Ricassian]

You better do so instead of putting words in my mouth.

Hypetool was an example, or are you denying the slender/downplay that you did against them?
Among the many flaws you have you at least seemed to be a man of word, I didn't expect this from you Nik
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Haki is generally empowered via intensive training.

*intensive battles

Rayleigh words

 

[Finalbeta]

*intensive battles

That doesn't match Luffy's way to learn advanced haki however. It's crystal clear that Hyogoro saved Luffy. It was a well tailored training, so Luffy acknowledged what to do, when to do it exactly. And this is how he developed a new stage of CoA, by merely practicing it for a while.

 

[Ricassian]

That doesn't match Luffy's way to learn advanced haki however. It's crystal clear that Hyogoro saved Luffy. It was a well tailored training, so Luffy acknowledged what to do, when to do it exactly. And this is how he developed a new stage of CoA, by merely practicing it for a while.

Doesn't change the fact that Rayleigh said the best way to improve haki is passing for extreme battles (aka what Kidd, Killer and Luffy did)

 

[Finalbeta]

Doesn't change the fact that Rayleigh said the best way to improve haki is passing for extreme battles (aka what Kidd, Killer and Luffy did)

Well for sure what Luffy went through acted as a catalyst to learn advanced haki faster. But if Hyogoro trained Luffy since the time of Fishman Island, Luffy would have attained it much earlier.

 

[Bil02]

Luffy was trained in adv. CoA. Kidd and Killer had no such training. I personally don't put much stock in training that won't either push your body to the extreme to the point of passing out or give you new abilities. So it'd be determined by how Kidd and Killer trained.

Yeah I agree,sounds reasonable.

 

[Ricassian]

Well for sure what Luffy went through acted as a catalyst to learn advanced haki faster. But if Hyogoro trained Luffy since the time of Fishman Island, Luffy would have attained it much earlier.

Of course, but still extreme battles are the better way. They have the right CV for having adv. CoA

 

[nik87]

Hypetool was an example, or are you denying the slender/downplay that you did against them?
Among the many flaws you have you at least seemed to be a man of word, I didn't expect this from you Nik

At least you admit you made it up that I called them hype tools.
Slender/downplay is what I do to anyone who is paired against Zoro, that has nothing to do with them facing Kaido and BM.
I am always a man of my word. You took me saying they will be Luffy's cheerleaders and turned it into them being hype tools...

 

[Finalbeta]

Of course, but still extreme battles are the better way. They have the right CV for having adv. CoA

Well if he would have learned it much earlier, then they are not. And you agreed with me.

 

[Midnight Delight]

We also so Know kid had sea stone to train his physicals alongside Luffy in Udon:

Let me do some calc

Those Boulders seem at least twice the height of Luffy who's 5'8

Assuming this is a cubic square

The size of each is 10×10×10= 1000 Cubic feet

The weight of Stone is 118 Pounds per Cubic Foot

Meaning the weight of each of those are 118000 Pounds. Aka 59 Tons

So both Luffy and Kidd lifted dozens of 59 Tons boulders while weakened by Seastone. And Kidd only did it with one hand

Let's add that 10 tons inverse is considered a big deal, Boo was knocked out by 10 tons and Dellinger cried in pain when he kicked Machvise in his 10 tons form.

That training must have added A LOT to their Physical strength

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