Questions & Mysteries Did Sanji bend King's Beak

[5000 ng/dl or death]

You think Vergo can do Internal Destruction + CoC like Luffy?

Vergo is not a conqueror, because he would be the guy who would have developed adCoc if he did, which means Law wouldn’t have been able to cut him (as with the yonko pair up on the roof). If Vergo can use the flow concept adCoC + internal CoA is absolutely no problem for him, but thank god Vergo doesn’t have that lol

 

[Finalbeta]

Oda clearly showed how Law's haki is not enough proficient to tackle Big Mom with his hax, at least normally.

If he empowers it then we shall debate.

 

[bennbeckman]

so you don't believe zoro has Acoa...... ain't that a rare sight.. but regardless you out off all people od believe that don't you... plus ig i stated even post time skip zoro doesn't have Acoa.. but my question was just an example of how ludicrous you sound...since textual evidence is not present

you may ask me what the logical fallacy is..

Ig you have heard the apothem "actions speak louder than words"

you are presented with visual proof and you have denied it.. then you shift your arguments to Stylization which has been debunked and is dimwitted to call it a stylistic
change..it looks trash on king and contradicts the design of the actual dinosaur which is very poor for a stylistic change from some of the best mangaks on the planet.. but its a detail that has been consistently shown and Only after his collision with sanji... and the only time King does a beak attack and the witnesses like luffy are first hand are an evidence that the attack was fierce..

too much of a coincidence

lemme ask you a question Ben...
did zoro slash Kaido with enma during the rope a tatsumaki or all of his blades..

See you wrote pretimeskip, now you are twisting words, is that your game to make one point and then to twist the narrative. I stated I dont give a shit about alabasta. Do I think Zoro used Advanced coa in Alabasta? No I dont

Here is your original quote to the argument...

"...evidence for zoro having Acoa coming into the timeskip and alabasta"

actions speak louder than words is used for real life scenarios not mangas, plus it's an idiom, not an apothem.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/apothem
"The perpendicular from the center of a regular polygon to one of the sides"

Which again was my point of no explicit proof that Sanji was the reason Kings beak is bent... Morgans aka the albatross is much more compelling evidence than Sanji. I follow the evidence not headcanon narrative I need to fill.

To answer your question honestly all the swords, since all three are used in the attack, but Enma definitely released more of Zoro's CoA then the other 2 looking at the clear illustration.

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Law can do the same to Big Mom. It's just Oda doesn't want to give him the credit.



He also doesn't not need next level Haki to do that.

Law cannot slice Big Mom in half like he did Vergo

 

[sanjikun]

I'm shaking right now. Wow.

 

[BakiDou]

Vergo is not a conqueror, because he would be the guy who would have developed adCoc if he did, which means Law wouldn’t have been able to cut him (as with the yonko pair up on the roof). If Vergo can use the flow concept adCoC + internal CoA is absolutely no problem for him, but thank god Vergo doesn’t have that lol

It is weird that Vergo didnt had CoC haki, this dude had incredible presence, he was the leader of g5, everyone respects him, Sanji, trafalgar, caesar, doffy, smoker etc.
But at the same time its a smart move to not give Vergo CoC, he would have that shit on 24/24 like bigmom, and he would block everything, no one would be able to touch him, this dude speedblitz Sanji, he can speedblitz all characters not named Kizaru.
Being so skilled in coa haki, he would coat himself with acoc acoa, who tf beats that? No one, Oda was smart because that would break the tier lists.:cheers:

 

[5000 ng/dl or death]

I'm shaking right now. Wow.

@Akai2 @SanjiIsStrongerThanZolo @Shuyaku @Orojackson Refugee @Fenaker etc

 

[BakiDou]

I'm shaking right now. Wow.

Both Sanji and Vergo are monsters, and they are not even going all out here.

 

[bennbeckman]

@Fenaker

When you have the chance can you post that panel of Law one shotting Vergo with ease and the other panel of slicing up the rest of his body

 

[sanjikun]

@Fenaker

When you have the chance can you post that panel of Law one shotting Vergo with ease and the other panel of slicing up the rest of his body

Stop cherrypicking panels.

 

[bennbeckman]

Stop cherrypicking panels.

Arent you also cherry picking panels to prove your points? LOL

That panel is the actual proof of how superior Law is to Vergo

 

[BleakAsh]

See you wrote pretimeskip, now you are twisting words, is that your game to make one point and then to twist the narrative. I stated I dont give a shit about alabasta. Do I think Zoro used Advanced coa in Alabasta? No I dont

i meant coming into the post time skip so nvm that

Acoa coming into the timeskip

To answer your question honestly all the swords, since all three are used in the attack, but Enma definitely released more of Zoro's CoA then the other 2 looking at the clear illustration.

wouldn't that just contradict what Kaido said that "Ah it Hurts, it must be oden's sword"
there is no room for mistake here when enma is seen in zoro's dominant hand and kaido's someone who's had a taste of the blade.. wouldn't he phase it like this if they all cut him "Ahh his blades cut me?"
and he doesn't even mention plural for swords only enma as Oden's sword ... and you have both visual and textual evidence of it.. but you assume something that isn't even depicted and is contradictory..



isn't that blatant hypocrisy.. especially when you compare it to sanji and King's case.. i get that there is textual evidence is lacking.. but in zoro's case both are present yet you turn a blind eye..

now i ask you the same question you asked me regarding king remarking sanji's suit and his bent beak.... where does it say zoro cuts kaido with all 3 blades?

actions speak louder than words is used for real life scenarios not mangas, plus it's an idiom, not an apothem.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/apothem
"The perpendicular from the center of a regular polygon to one of the sides"

http://imgur.com/a/etvIBK5

my bad... my spelling was close enough

 

[sanjikun]

Arent you also cherry picking panels to prove your points? LOL

That panel is the actual proof of how superior Law is to Vergo

What about these panels?

See how easy it's to cherrypick panels?

 

[BleakAsh]

actions speak louder than words is used for real life scenarios not mangas

its a universal truth even in fiction and reality

 

[bennbeckman]

i meant coming into the post time skip so nvm that




wouldn't that just contradict what Kaido said that "Ah it Hurts, it must be oden's sword"
there is no room for mistake here when enma is seen in zoro's dominant hand and kaido's someone who's had a taste of the blade.. wouldn't he phase it like this if they all cut him "Ahh his blades cut me?"
and he doesn't even mention plural for swords only enma as Oden's sword ... and you have both visual and textual evidence of it.. but you assume something that isn't even depicted and is contradictory..



isn't that blatant hypocrisy.. especially when you compare it to sanji and King's case.. i get that there is textual evidence is lacking.. but in zoro's case both are present yet you turn a blind eye..

now i ask you the same question you asked me regarding king remarking sanji's suit and his bent beak.... where does it say zoro cuts kaido with all 3 blades?

http://imgur.com/a/etvIBK5

my bad... my spelling was close enough

I will add to my argument, in a little bit, but I do want to say as much as we argue back and forth as we have many differing opinions and fly insults back to one another, and will continue to do so. I respect your guts and determination

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its a universal truth even in fiction and reality

My point was the manga the pictures and the words share the same depiction as opposed to real life

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What about these panels?

See how easy it's to cherrypick panels?

It shows how much weaker law is without his heart and that vergo plays dirty

 

[sanjikun]

Vergo-Sama the Conqueror. I like the sound of that.

 

[BleakAsh]

I will add to my argument, in a little bit, but I do want to say as much as we argue back and forth as we have many differing opinions and fly insults back to one another, and will continue to do so. I respect your guts and determination

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My point was the manga the pictures and the words share the same depiction as opposed to real life

its not about guts but honestly bro..
and this isn't about our opinions its about what's demonstrated from which your opinions evolve.. you say that zoro cuts kaido with 3 sword i'm just fundamentally asking the same question...where does it say that.. and what doe kaido say other wise.

there is both visual and contextual proof for this and you still come up with a different conclusion.

bro this is just an evidence that how stubbornly you reinforce a fundamentally flawed notion of not textual evidence and then you contradict it right after...

plus this scenario with zoro and kaido isn't even as ambiguous as king and sanji.. who were offscreened and this is on screen textual evidence that zoro cuts kaido solely with enma.. yet you deny that too..

and don't bring up that rope tatsumaki is One cut move.. argument thats baseless.. i'd still argue where does it say that he cuts kaido with 3 swords when Kaido says its enma.. i mean you're willing to deny our presented visual evidence and substantiated logic.. but are not willing to accept the same bases you made your pervious argument upon which is textual evidence.. isn't that pretty selfishly.. and funny enough you expect us to accept your evidence for zoro....

HOW HYPOCRITICAL IS THAT @bennbeckman

 

[sanjikun]

Doflamingo put Luffy > Law because he had Conqueror's Haki. He also put Vergo > Law. What does that mean?

 

[bennbeckman]

i meant coming into the post time skip so nvm that




wouldn't that just contradict what Kaido said that "Ah it Hurts, it must be oden's sword"
there is no room for mistake here when enma is seen in zoro's dominant hand and kaido's someone who's had a taste of the blade.. wouldn't he phase it like this if they all cut him "Ahh his blades cut me?"
and he doesn't even mention plural for swords only enma as Oden's sword ... and you have both visual and textual evidence of it.. but you assume something that isn't even depicted and is contradictory..



isn't that blatant hypocrisy.. especially when you compare it to sanji and King's case.. i get that there is textual evidence is lacking.. but in zoro's case both are present yet you turn a blind eye..

now i ask you the same question you asked me regarding king remarking sanji's suit and his bent beak.... where does it say zoro cuts kaido with all 3 blades?

http://imgur.com/a/etvIBK5

my bad... my spelling was close enough

That attack requiresssss. I did not make my point clear, so I will clear it up here. 3 swords hence all three swords were used in the specific attack. It's Oden's sword but it's Zoro's haki, we know what enma's speicific trait is. Which Enma prior to the attack is show visually with that haki. I wont beat around the bush... From the evidence standpoint I will concede that fact since Kaido made it clear comment that he was cut by enma.

So by that fact we're using that evidence Sanji did not bend Kings beak...

Case closed.

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its not about guts but honestly bro..
and this isn't about our opinions its about what's demonstrated from which your opinions evolve.. you say that zoro cuts kaido with 3 sword i'm just fundamentally asking the same question...where does it say that.. and what doe kaido say other wise.

there is both visual and contextual proof for this and you still come up with a different conclusion

The guts and determination was regarding Sanji and the beak, I concede the Zoro Kaido point you made

 

[Finalbeta]

Vergo-Sama the Conqueror. I like the sound of that.

I would label him as the Terminator. Sadly most likely not a Conqueror carrier, so that wise it would sound redundant.

 

[BOCCHI]

He internally destroyed Sanji's leg.

Now it makes sense how mr4 broke Usopp’s nose! It was via internal destruction haki.

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It’s you again...

I mean if Vergo didn’t use haki it would mean his brute physical strength and hardness is absolutely out of this world (Sanji blocks highest up on the shin with full hardening defence and Vergo uses his ankle with no indication he uses haki himself). No, Vergo used it. He even showed advanced outward haki in his kick like hyoguro so it’s very fair to assume he used internal destruction when Caesar even said his haki is “unstoppabke”

Keep believing your assumptions as if they are facts then lol this dead side character really does live in your head xD