Questions & Mysteries Did Sanji bend King's Beak

[BleakAsh]

So by that fact we're using that evidence Sanji did not bend Kings beak...

well atleast you conceded atlast that it was enma...factually ignoring the ramble about 3 swords...which also proves that whenever zoro charges enma ( as shown in the same page) the attack heavily depends on that blade..

interesting stuff

Now about Acoa.. does zoro have it coming into the new world or not

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I would label him as the Terminator. Sadly most likely not a Conqueror carrier, so that wise it would sound redundant.

the Terminator....

this analogy / alias is an ideal suit for Vergo

 

[bennbeckman]

well atleast you conceded atlast that it was enma...factually ignoring the ramble about 3 swords...which also proves that whenever zoro charges enma ( as shown in the same page) the attack heavily depends on that blade..

interesting stuff

Now about Acoa.. does zoro have it coming into the new world or not

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the Terminator....

this analogy / alias is an ideal suit for Vergo

How does Zoro do Tatsumaki (dont know if this is spelled correctly) with just one sword?

Ill wait for you to comment your concession and then answer your next question on Acoa. since you're using the same method of evidence for Zoro. Since it was not explicitly said Sanji did not bend King's beak... according to your own logic from Zoro's 3 sword style with Enma. Sanji did not bend Kings beak.

 

[BleakAsh]

How does Zoro do Tatsumaki (dont know if this is spelled correctly) with just one sword?

Ill wait for you to comment your concession and then answer your next question on Acoa. since you're using the same method of evidence for Zoro. Since it was not explicitly said Sanji did not bend King's beak... according to your own logic from Zoro's 3 sword style with Enma. Sanji did not bend Kings beak.

yea i am using the same method...and ik the drawback which isn't really a drawback since it should be proven correct in the story and it does to me logically but i can keep depending on textual and refute you so

i mean zoro can do the tatsumaki without swords so 1 sword should be a fuss for him.? thk its not prove.. like the fact that zoro used enma primarily to cut Kaido.. as proven by kaido... he did say IT MUST BE ODENVS SWORD... so yea like textually proven it was enma its also backed up by the fact that a panel was dedicated to zoro Imbuing enma...

you can't ask How does he do tatsumaki with one sword when 3 were used but one 1 cuts kaido... It is what it is kaido said it.. we're going by textual proof here right..?

 

[bennbeckman]

yea i am using the same method...and ik the drawback which isn't really a drawback since it should be proven correct in the story and it does to me logically but i can keep depending on textual and refute you so

i mean zoro can do the tatsumaki without swords so 1 sword should be a fuss for him.? thk its not prove.. like the fact that zoro used enma primarily to cut Kaido.. as proven by kaido... he did say IT MUST BE ODENVS SWORD... so yea like textually proven it was enma its also backed up by the fact that a panel was dedicated to zoro Imbuing enma...

you can't ask How does he do tatsumaki with one sword when 3 were used but one 1 cuts kaido... It is what it is kaido said it.. we're going by textual proof here right..?

Ill make it simple Do you concede that Sanji did not Bend King's Beak? Yes or No. I dont want an extended answer I just want a Yes I concede that fact or No I dont Concede that fact

I already made my concession, the rest is jargon and can be discussed in future comments.

 

[BleakAsh]

Ill make it simple Do you concede that Sanji did not Bend King's Beak? Yes or No. I dont want an extended answer I just want a Yes I concede that fact or No I dont Concede that fact

I already made my concession, the rest is jargon and can be discussed in future comments.

lets take out time with this shall we.. things were finally getting fun..

seems like you tend to contradict alot.. you readily agree to textual facts... but still end up disagreeing with them using common sense.. stick with either one..

if you're using logic to back it up then textual proof is redundant for me to prove that Sanji bent king's beak.... and i don't see why i should provide textual proof when you don't seem to be agreeing with it yourself... thats loada jargon already mate

@Tekashi69420 @Doggo @5000 ng/dl or death
@Lukegranders @Arrow

its just fair isn't it?

and if yes.. and youvre ready to abandon textual proof then refer to @Tekashi69420 's post of debunking your arguments

 

[5000 ng/dl or death]

Ill make it simple Do you concede that Sanji did not Bend King's Beak? Yes or No. I dont want an extended answer I just want a Yes I concede that fact or No I dont Concede that fact

I already made my concession, the rest is jargon and can be discussed in future comments.

Man what a loser you are to have that signature, imagine getting that triggered lmao

Yeah I drink all your salty ass loser tears https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...hat-vergo-has-adcoc.13608/page-2#post-1371620

 

[bennbeckman]

lets take out time with this shall we.. things were finally getting fun..

seems like you tend to contradict alot.. you readily agree to textual facts... but still end up disagreeing with them using common sense.. stick with either one..

if you're using logic to back it up then textual proof is redundant for me to prove that Sanji.. and i don't see why i should provide textual proof when you don't seem to be agreeing with it yourself... thats loada jargon already mate

@Tekashi69420 @Doggo @5000 ng/dl or death
@Lukegranders @Arrow

its just fair isn't it?

It's a simple question that only needs a simple answer. I do not understand why you cannot answer the question directly, and ill keep asking it.

Do you concede that Sanji did not Bend King's Beak? Yes or No. I dont want an extended answer I just want a Yes I concede that fact or No I dont Concede that fact

 

[BleakAsh]

It's a simple question that only needs a simple answer. I do not understand why you cannot answer the question directly, and ill keep asking it.

Do you concede that Sanji did not Bend King's Beak? Yes or No. I dont want an extended answer I just want a Yes I concede that fact or No I dont Concede that fact

stop attacking the straw man.. as an adjudicator have some rationality and humbleness...

you have been checkmated sir....

and my answer depends on your answer to my previous message... textual facts or logical deduction... choose... and I'll answer accordingly
:cheers:

 

[bennbeckman]

Man what a loser you are to have that signature, imagine getting that triggered lmao

Yeah I drink all your salty ass loser tears https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...hat-vergo-has-adcoc.13608/page-2#post-1371620

Imagine getting so mad you have to take the time to respond to my signature with a terrible insult.

Keep insulting me, im enjoying watching you get angry

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stop attacking the straw man.. as an adjudicator have some rationality and humbleness...

you have been checkmated sir....

and my answer depends on your answer to my previous message... textual facts or logical deduction... choose... and I'll answer accordingly
:cheers:

Do you concede that Sanji did not Bend King's Beak? Yes or No. I dont want an extended answer I just want a Yes I concede that fact or No I dont Concede that fact

 

[Shimotsuki Fenaker]

Sanji wank = Vergo wank = Doffy wank

 

[5000 ng/dl or death]

Sanji wank = Vergo wank = Doffy wank

I never liked Doffy @Sentinel I dont like his smug ass shit. I was always about Vergo lol

 

[BleakAsh]

Imagine getting so mad you have to take the time to respond to my signature with a terrible insult.

Keep insulting me, im enjoying watching you get angry

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Do you concede that Sanji did not Bend King's Beak? Yes or No. I dont want an extended answer I just want a Yes I concede that fact or No I dont Concede that fact

we're officially done here.. thank you for your cooperation.. get rid of that quandary between logic and blatant textual facts.. choose one..

you didn't realize but the tables had turned when you started using logic to justify 3 swords style while contradicting what Kaido said..


this will remain a memorable thread.

we finally conclude our argument... and the jury should be standing on concrete grounds not armature biases..


اسلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته

 

[Shimotsuki Fenaker]

we're officially done here.. thank you for your cooperation.. get rid of that quandary between logic and blatant textual facts.. choose one..

you didn't realize but the tables had turned when you started using logic to justify 3 swords style while contradicting what Kaido said..


this will remain a memorable thread.

we finally conclude out argument... and the jury should be standing on concrete grounds not armature biases..


اسلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته

So you are an arabic dude

على الأقل قم بالرفع من شخصية ما أفضل

 

[bennbeckman]

we're officially done here.. thank you for your cooperation.. get rid of that quandary between logic and blatant textual facts.. choose one..

you didn't realize but the tables had turned when you started using logic to justify 3 swords style while contradicting what Kaido said..


this will remain a memorable thread.

we finally conclude out argument... and the jury should be standing on concrete grounds not armature biases..


اسلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته

Do you concede that Sanji did not Bend King's Beak? Yes or No. I dont want an extended answer I just want a Yes I concede that fact or No

Jury has spoken and they say that the beak was not indeed bent by Sanji

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@Pantheos @RayanOO or other Mods online @Natalija

The Jury has their verdict, can you please close this thread I created.

Thank you

 

[Doggo]

lets take out time with this shall we.. things were finally getting fun..

seems like you tend to contradict alot.. you readily agree to textual facts... but still end up disagreeing with them using common sense.. stick with either one..

if you're using logic to back it up then textual proof is redundant for me to prove that Sanji bent king's beak.... and i don't see why i should provide textual proof when you don't seem to be agreeing with it yourself... thats loada jargon already mate

@Tekashi69420 @Doggo @5000 ng/dl or death
@Lukegranders @Arrow

its just fair isn't it?

and if yes.. and youvre ready to abandon textual proof then refer to @Tekashi69420 's post of debunking your arguments

I dont know.
I presented my case, showed the panels, stablished a timeline for the events and narrowed it to the two most probable outcomes.
One of them has better odds, by logic, than the other, but both are possible.
If people want to think it's the "stylish" choice, that's fine by me. This alone is not a problem at all. But denying the possibility of the Raid Suit bending the beak is what I find weird.
Maybe we will never know.
Maybe it will be mentioned during the story.
Maybe we will learn about it only during some future SBS or some shit like that. Who knows.

 

[BleakAsh]

I dont know.
I presented my case, showed the panels, stablished a timeline for the events and narrowed it to the two most probable outcomes.
One of them has better odds, by logic, than the other, but both are possible.
If people want to think it's the "stylish" choice, that's fine by me. This alone is not a problem at all. But denying the possibility of the Raid Suit bending the beak is what I find weird.
Maybe we will never know.
Maybe it will be mentioned during the story.
Maybe we will learn about it only during some future SBS or some shit like that. Who knows.

my man bec needed the source of proof where it said sanji bent it..

and now he's denying that source, and uses logical judgement...

which is a contradiction..

its blatantly obvious that its not styling BS... why would oda make such a pivotal mistake plus the bend on the beak is anything but NATURAL.

 

[bennbeckman]

56 to 20 thank you jury of 76 for hearing both sides of the case.

In Worst Gen court the majority gets to make the verdict. Case open to appeal at later date

:cheers::cheers::cheers:

 

[Doggo]

my man bec needed the source of proof where it said sanji bent it..

and now he's denying that source, and uses logical judgement...

which is a contradiction..

its blatantly obvious that its not styling BS... why would oda make such a pivotal mistake plus the bend on the beak is anything but NATURAL.

The reason I dont opt for the stylish choice, is that, during this same arc, Oda changed Page One design to MATCH the real thing more properly.
So I should take it that Oda did another design change, but with the opposite intention? To make it NOT MATCH the real thing more properly?
This is the only reason I dont favor the stylish choice.

 

[BleakAsh]

Do you concede that Sanji did not Bend King's Beak? Yes or No. I dont want an extended answer I just want a Yes I concede that fact or No

Jury has spoken and they say that the beak was not indeed bent by Sanji

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@Pantheos @RayanOO or other Mods online @Natalija

The Jury has their verdict, can you please close this thread I created.

Thank you

@Natalija @Pantheos @RayanOO.. with all due respect please do

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The reason I dont opt for the stylish choice, is that, during this same arc, Oda changed Page One design to MATCH the real thing more properly.
So I should take it that Oda did another design change, but with the opposite intention? To make it NOT MATCH the real thing more properly?
This is the only reason I dont favor the stylish choice.

The reason I dont opt for the stylish choice, is that, during this same arc, Oda changed Page One design to MATCH the real thing more properly.
So I should take it that Oda did another design change, but with the opposite intention? To make it NOT MATCH the real thing more properly?
This is the only reason I dont favor the stylish choice.

I already explained this in my thread.

https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/sanji-bend-kings-beak.9964/

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King's beak was clearly bend. Don't know why people think otherwise.

This is King's debut in chapter 930.

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This is King in chapter 999 after the Sanji's clash.

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This is King in chapter 1000 when him and Queen clashing with Marco.

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And in chapter 1005, King uses his Zoan form against Marco and we can clearly see that his beak is still bend.

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Before that, in chapter 988, Sanji and King were clashing with each other.

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And then King turned into Zoan form and catches Sanji away.

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Sanji told King to stop which indicates that King's beak is in the perfect position.

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Just like how Luffy told Katakuri to stop when Kata catches him.

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And then King say that his attack can split him open.

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And then Sanji say that his attack can definitely kill someone with that.

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Even Luffy was commenting on how strong King's attack is.

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And then we never see them again until couple of panels later.

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Sanji commenting on the durability of his suit ^^

"But but Sanji uses his hands to bend King's beak, I thought Sanji never uses his hands in combat?"

That's right. Sanji never uses his hands to bend King's beak. It was King that caused his own beak to bend. For example:

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King's beak was on the perfect position to split Sanji. It's literally snatched onto Sanji's RS.

Here's the 10x times zoom of it.

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King's beak was ready to impaled Sanji but King couldn't do it even with his speed which causes his beak to bend. Just like how a car front bumper got dented after crashing a wall.

Furthermore, when King appear again in chapter 989, he look like this.

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So you guys jump on the conclusion of "Oh, so King's beak didn't bent after all."

Look carefully,

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That's like saying looking on the side is the same as looking down.

It's called POV.

And for the other one, his nose is cut off at the bent area so if there's a full scope of it, it would be like this.

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"But but it's just a design change just like Page One's tail."

Oda make a clear announcement on Page One's tail.

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But there's no news of King's beak design got changed.

"But but King would have commented on his beak if it got bend."

Why would King say that in front of his crew? He would get embarrassed. And just like how nobody talks about Page One gets defeated by Sanji, no one would talk about King's beak either. When Sanji vs King happens, they will talk about his beak being dented.

I rest my case.

Scroll to the Page 1 part or just r ead through it and when u come to pay pay...

notice that oda didn't even make his looks looks different from how it's supposed to be..

pay pay scenario is completely fine