Questions & Mysteries Did Whole Cake Island Arc make you hate Sanji?
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Someone can be a scumbag and still be kind, these are two completely different things. I wonder why you consider Sanji a scumbag
I could easily call every single SH a scumbag for any damn reason and action
Even Hitler had good moments with his family, and he loved animals, he had values that most people would agree with, does this make him a good person?
I could easily call every single SH a scumbag for any damn reason and action
Even Hitler had good moments with his family, and he loved animals, he had values that most people would agree with, does this make him a good person?
Not in dangerous territory. Luffy is not dumb when it comes to his crewmates, and Sanji knows that better than anyone to try to play off the Robin/Nami 2.0 "everything is fine act" it didn't work then, it sure as hell wasn't going to work now. We really didn't need a rehash of the crewmate needing help but acting like they don't deal, especially coming from Sanji one of the pillars of the crew, if that doesn't bother you as a fan of this series (or Sanji) I don't know what will.
Missed the point, Big Mom's honesty is irrelevant. The optics weren't good for Sanji there.
He was literally arguing with Nami, to abandon crying kids pleading to be saved, even the densest of people would be able to tell those kids were in trouble. Sanji said "we're not running a charity here", and for Sanji to be vehemently arguing against Nami who he is constantly simping for, just goes to show you how against the idea of saving the children he was.
So yea you basically missed the mark with Sanji's character.
Questions Zoro saving Smoker
Tells Zoro/Chopper to let Wiper die
Lets Nami know that saving the dying Minks might be the wrong decision
-And like I showed above playing ignorant to kids in danger crying for help
Is Sanji a monster because he does these things? Not really, he has done kind things before as well, but compared to any other strawhat, Sanji is by far and away the coldest, who always calculates risk/reward (aside from people who are hungry, that's his thing), but yea let's go and save my shitty murdering/rapist siblings and father at the cost of my crewmates being caught up in a fight against a Yonkou. Trying to save Reiju alone would be one thing. That whole kind guy narrative was some of the worst piece of writing Oda has ever conjured up.
It's inconsistent with his character, and Sanji acting like Luffy was gonna walk away from WCI when he was there to witness Arlong Park, and Enies Lobby is beyond stupid to begin with.
Missed the point, Big Mom's honesty is irrelevant. The optics weren't good for Sanji there.
He was literally arguing with Nami, to abandon crying kids pleading to be saved, even the densest of people would be able to tell those kids were in trouble. Sanji said "we're not running a charity here", and for Sanji to be vehemently arguing against Nami who he is constantly simping for, just goes to show you how against the idea of saving the children he was.
So yea you basically missed the mark with Sanji's character.
Questions Zoro saving Smoker
Is Sanji a monster because he does these things? Not really, he has done kind things before as well, but compared to any other strawhat, Sanji is by far and away the coldest, who always calculates risk/reward (aside from people who are hungry, that's his thing), but yea let's go and save my shitty murdering/rapist siblings and father at the cost of my crewmates being caught up in a fight against a Yonkou. Trying to save Reiju alone would be one thing. That whole kind guy narrative was some of the worst piece of writing Oda has ever conjured up.
It's inconsistent with his character, and Sanji acting like Luffy was gonna walk away from WCI when he was there to witness Arlong Park, and Enies Lobby is beyond stupid to begin with.
As for my response to the original post did I hate sanji because of the events of wci? No…no I did not as he is still far and away one of my favorite characters in the series in general. But, did I like how he was particularly written? No I did not. I hated it much so it made me lose interest in the arc at some point.
While I understand the need to write drama in a series like one piece I just felt like a lot of things that came with the arc and sanji’s “character” was unnecessary drama and not needed. For example the kicking luffy scene to me was unnecessary and used for shock value at the time which goes to show just how much oda deviated from the character of sanji a lot. The idea that sanji was this “kind” individual to me was a crock of nonsense not because it hadn’t been indicated in the story before as in Baratie we got this plot point but the fact that we hadn’t seen this consistent characterization from him throughout the series. Why now? Of all times do you feel the need to just bring that up and use it as a major plot point? See what I’m saying there wasn’t consistency w that. And don’t get me started on the insertion of germa into the story.
The whole arc felt like a disservice to the character as a lot of the things we came to expect from sanji as a character was completely stripped away and replaced with something else for the purpose of dramatics and unnecessary one for that matter as of the end of the arc he reverts back to his old self like nothing happened. This ain’t the first time oda done this ala luffy in marinefold. After the events of that arc he reverts back to his old self I mean he gets stronger but we don’t see the trauma he has to deal with losing his brother in his own face..it’s like shit ain’t happen. I’m ranting lol sorry for that but I’m just tired of unnecessary drama and optics if shit dont change what’s the necessary point in having the character go through all that shit to begin with? Especially knowing oda is going to strip their characterization away into something completely different it’s a waste of time. I may still like sanji but wci was a waste of time for me specifically because the whole ideal of sanjis character is completely dwarfed for something completely different and I found that to be an absolute waste of time as shit reverts back to normal after all we were put through with the character. Simple!
Lol one of the funny things about this post is I remember vividly well when we were on wci we were still on orojackson and even there you maintained this same position. It’s great to see you haven’t changed from it honestly.
As for my response to the original post did I hate sanji because of the events of wci? No…no I did not as he is still far and away one of my favorite characters in the series in general. But, did I like how he was particularly written? No I did not. I hated it much so it made me lose interest in the arc at some point.
While I understand the need to write drama in a series like one piece I just felt like a lot of things that came with the arc and sanji’s “character” was unnecessary drama and not needed. For example the kicking luffy scene to me was unnecessary and used for shock value at the time which goes to show just how much oda deviated from the character of sanji a lot. The idea that sanji was this “kind” individual to me was a crock of nonsense not because it hadn’t been indicated in the story before as in Baratie we got this plot point but the fact that we hadn’t seen this consistent characterization from him throughout the series. Why now? Of all times do you feel the need to just bring that up and use it as a major plot point? See what I’m saying there wasn’t consistency w that. And don’t get me started on the insertion of germa into the story.
The whole arc felt like a disservice to the character as a lot of the things we came to expect from sanji as a character was completely stripped away and replaced with something else for the purpose of dramatics and unnecessary one for that matter as of the end of the arc he reverts back to his old self like nothing happened. This ain’t the first time oda done this ala luffy in marinefold. After the events of that arc he reverts back to his old self I mean he gets stronger but we don’t see the trauma he has to deal with losing his brother in his own face..it’s like shit ain’t happen. I’m ranting lol sorry for that but I’m just tired of unnecessary drama and optics if shit dont change what’s the necessary point in having the character go through all that shit to begin with? Especially knowing oda is going to strip their characterization away into something completely different it’s a waste of time. I may still like sanji but wci was a waste of time for me specifically because the whole ideal of sanjis character is completely dwarfed for something completely different and I found that to be an absolute waste of time as shit reverts back to normal after all we were put through with the character. Simple!
As for my response to the original post did I hate sanji because of the events of wci? No…no I did not as he is still far and away one of my favorite characters in the series in general. But, did I like how he was particularly written? No I did not. I hated it much so it made me lose interest in the arc at some point.
While I understand the need to write drama in a series like one piece I just felt like a lot of things that came with the arc and sanji’s “character” was unnecessary drama and not needed. For example the kicking luffy scene to me was unnecessary and used for shock value at the time which goes to show just how much oda deviated from the character of sanji a lot. The idea that sanji was this “kind” individual to me was a crock of nonsense not because it hadn’t been indicated in the story before as in Baratie we got this plot point but the fact that we hadn’t seen this consistent characterization from him throughout the series. Why now? Of all times do you feel the need to just bring that up and use it as a major plot point? See what I’m saying there wasn’t consistency w that. And don’t get me started on the insertion of germa into the story.
The whole arc felt like a disservice to the character as a lot of the things we came to expect from sanji as a character was completely stripped away and replaced with something else for the purpose of dramatics and unnecessary one for that matter as of the end of the arc he reverts back to his old self like nothing happened. This ain’t the first time oda done this ala luffy in marinefold. After the events of that arc he reverts back to his old self I mean he gets stronger but we don’t see the trauma he has to deal with losing his brother in his own face..it’s like shit ain’t happen. I’m ranting lol sorry for that but I’m just tired of unnecessary drama and optics if shit dont change what’s the necessary point in having the character go through all that shit to begin with? Especially knowing oda is going to strip their characterization away into something completely different it’s a waste of time. I may still like sanji but wci was a waste of time for me specifically because the whole ideal of sanjis character is completely dwarfed for something completely different and I found that to be an absolute waste of time as shit reverts back to normal after all we were put through with the character. Simple!
It's hard for me to ever change positions on it. The writing around Oden was arguably worse than WCI, but I can overlook that when compared to the character assassination of a core strawhat member.
yes, that arc was Oda's chance to redeem Sanji, but he just fucked up the character even more.
-If pudding wasnt a bitch Sanji would have literaly left Luffy to die and starve.
-Sanji beat the fuck out of Luffy who just wanted him back on the crew and didnt even apologized to Luffy latter. Even Ussop had to properly apologize when he left the crew, but Sanji gets away with only a shitty apology to Nami?
-Was completely useless, only baked a cake in the whole arc and left ALL the fighting for Luffy.
Sanji was a good character pre-ts, became a poor chacter after okama island, but in WCI he became garbage tier.
-If pudding wasnt a bitch Sanji would have literaly left Luffy to die and starve.
-Sanji beat the fuck out of Luffy who just wanted him back on the crew and didnt even apologized to Luffy latter. Even Ussop had to properly apologize when he left the crew, but Sanji gets away with only a shitty apology to Nami?
-Was completely useless, only baked a cake in the whole arc and left ALL the fighting for Luffy.
Sanji was a good character pre-ts, became a poor chacter after okama island, but in WCI he became garbage tier.
Did WCI make me hate Sanji? No. Him sexually assaulting Nami on Punk Hazard did it for me. But WCI was what made me give up all hope for the character.
It’s really, truly laughable to see Oda try and pretend Sanji is this rigidly principled, kindest of all kind men. Because he’s not. He’s happy to put razor blades in his crewmate’s food, but not ok with poisoning a yonko to save hundreds of lives? He’s happy to abandon drugged, crying children, but can’t bring himself to leave a bunch of warmongers and a mad scientist? WCI Sanji was a joke, and the whole Stealth Black in the women’s baths thing merely reinforced how little Oda thinks of the character.
It’s really, truly laughable to see Oda try and pretend Sanji is this rigidly principled, kindest of all kind men. Because he’s not. He’s happy to put razor blades in his crewmate’s food, but not ok with poisoning a yonko to save hundreds of lives? He’s happy to abandon drugged, crying children, but can’t bring himself to leave a bunch of warmongers and a mad scientist? WCI Sanji was a joke, and the whole Stealth Black in the women’s baths thing merely reinforced how little Oda thinks of the character.
No, this makes me like Sanji more. In WCI, he plays a person waiting to be saved. In the past, Sanji was powerful and reliable, but each of us has an unknown past. Sanji's childhood is his scar and Zeff is his weakness
WCI just shows us the other side of Sanji. Maybe many people just don't like people with shortcomings and weaknesses. Perfect roles are what they pursue
WCI just shows us the other side of Sanji. Maybe many people just don't like people with shortcomings and weaknesses. Perfect roles are what they pursue
For me personally, its one thing to hate Sanji for just literally kicking Luffy when he's down and showing that he was a bit of an ass to him, its another thing when said action didn't bring anything to allow Sanji to take control and drive the plot, in the end Sanji kicking Luffy ended up being nothing but an emotional moment-like Ussop fighting Luffy or Robin leaving the crew in Water Seven, minus the plot developments that followed because of their actions. That latter part was what kind of made it disappointing. There wasn't any good payoff from it.
Sanji kicked Luffy at first because he couldn't explain his thoughts well enough to Luffy for him to respect his wishes of just giving up the fight and letting the crew go. So instead he came up with the bright idea that has become a tired and stupid trope of just kicking Luffy, being mean to him, all doing it to try to make Luffy go away and leave WCI. It's a tired, cliched and overused trope imo that should've died with Naruto vs Sasuke at the Valley at the End.
Its just one of the many stupid story decisions and mistakes that Oda has made when writing arcs post time skip. The whole Oden dancing naked for 5 years plotline is just the latest example of Oda ruining his characters and story by making them do stupid things that make them look dumb.
Sanji kicked Luffy at first because he couldn't explain his thoughts well enough to Luffy for him to respect his wishes of just giving up the fight and letting the crew go. So instead he came up with the bright idea that has become a tired and stupid trope of just kicking Luffy, being mean to him, all doing it to try to make Luffy go away and leave WCI. It's a tired, cliched and overused trope imo that should've died with Naruto vs Sasuke at the Valley at the End.
Its just one of the many stupid story decisions and mistakes that Oda has made when writing arcs post time skip. The whole Oden dancing naked for 5 years plotline is just the latest example of Oda ruining his characters and story by making them do stupid things that make them look dumb.
