Powers & Abilities Do the other yonko right hands have coc?

[Hurley Pirates]

Ace and Thatch being dead didn't change the fact he had a Yonko crew and allies!
Teach was weaker than he is now. Also Teach commanders are still not that strong even except Shiryu.

Did Shanks Kaido have a crew gifted to them ? Nope.


Marco is a loser... give Shanks an established crew territories and allies... he will even make it greater
With Marco, The crew is no more

Yes it does matter. Is Kaido crew as strong without Kaido, Queen, Jack, an Injured flying 6 or number? Like its not easy to lose top tier members of your fighting force and still be competitive at this level.

But Shanks and Kaido also never defeated a crew like BB's to our knowledge so i dont understand the comparison,

Also we dont know how strong BB crew was at the time at all. We know hes got 4 level 6 prisoners and shiryu plus his own OG crewmates lol Those level 6 cats can be shichi level and above we dont know. Laffite was able to sneak up on DD Mihawk and Sengoku. Also we dont know what DF they had when the battle went down. And BB df allows him to spam widespread destruction and negate your DF lol. Honestly I dont understand getting flak for losing this lmao. Put it this way, your calling Marco weak for losing because he had the help of people who were undeniably weaker then him (Allies, Territories etc) and lost. What sense does that make? Im not trying to compare the guy to the Yonko.

And Shanks is an anomaly. The guy is strong yet weak enough to lose his arm to a seaking and let a pre darkness fruit Teach put the paws on him to a permanent scar on his face? Please tell me which version of Shanks were talking about that's winning the fight vs BB crew without Gryphon, Benn, Yasopp and a Handicapped Roo cuz based of feats and essentially anything but hype and speculation hes taking an L here lol

Also Kaido got 7 loses lmao. Maybe we should stop overreacting to L's in OP cuz clearly they dont truly determine much about a character. Especially when they are circumstantial af lol

 

[Bil02]

Probably Queen and king are conquerors due to kaido's line not wanting too many conquerors in his crew.
Ben Beckmann should be a given,he gives zoro/rayleigh type of vibes.
Marco doesn't really seem to be a conqueror and shilliew has more chances of being one than Marco tbh.

 

[Inspector_Mu]

I totally agree with everything you said. Except the way you dissed my boy Marco. Cut him some slack hahahaha. The man needs som rest haha.
But yeah, overall, I agree wit what you stated.

Maybe the ex-right hand man was actually cut down by Oden himself during the time of Kaido invaded Wano. So maybe Kaido didn't take over Wano without major losses in his crew.

But I'm hoping to actually see an actual new card this arc in the name if "Ace"

It's just simply iconic, and it would serve a GREAT DEAL if by any chance Sabo and some revolutionary who went missing to actually get involved in this upcoming war and help Luffy out. It would set up an iconic clash in the name of "Sabo vs Ace" or "Luffy vs Ace"

It's just a type of irony being thrown into the mix.

Also, having Ace card isn't farfetched when Kaido himself is NOT being called Ace. His name is not Ace

While, all major card names (Jack, Queen, King) they all are being called with those exact name. kaido is just being called Kaido, te general governor of Wano. So, there has to be ACE in some way, shape of form.

Either Oden eliminated him 20 years ago
OR he will make an entrance in future, and if that ever happens. Then I want Sabo and the Revs who disappeared from Marijoa to get involved in Wano war arc. So that "Sabo vs Ace" battle happens. And for Oda to give Sabo a very prominant super powerful opponent. Cause otherwise, Luffy will truly leave him in the dust, specially after taking out Katakuri, and in this arc Kaido? while Sabo is not taking out any major competitors at all

There really gotta an Ace. The fact also none of the calamity so far fought Wano Top Men is fishy and tells me that they were way weaker. Probably super rookies 20 years ago.

WB Kaido BM all started making their own names 33 years ago!
King might not even be 45...looking at how jack is 28, I bet King is between 37-42
Oda gave WB an older Commander : Oden 59 y.o (if alive) , while BM has Kata 48 y.o ;
Kaido being younger than BM and WB , will probably have a YC1 younger than Kata and Oden!

WB Kaido BM crews dont have Vice Captains role, the strongest just takes the lead.
They just have commanders.

With WB: his older commander who was the strongest left.
With BM : her youngest commander who was the weakest got demoted.
With Kaido : possibly someone as old or near Kaido in Age,
his oldest/strongest commander is hidden for special cases.
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Yes it does matter. Is Kaido crew as strong without Kaido, Queen, Jack, an Injured flying 6 or number? Like its not easy to lose top tier members of your fighting force and still be competitive at this level.

But Shanks and Kaido also never defeated a crew like BB's to our knowledge so i dont understand the comparison,

Also we dont know how strong BB crew was at the time at all. We know hes got 4 level 6 prisoners and shiryu plus his own OG crewmates lol Those level 6 cats can be shichi level and above we dont know. Laffite was able to sneak up on DD Mihawk and Sengoku. Also we dont know what DF they had when the battle went down. And BB df allows him to spam widespread destruction and negate your DF lol. Honestly I dont understand getting flak for losing this lmao. Put it this way, your calling Marco weak for losing because he had the help of people who were undeniably weaker then him (Allies, Territories etc) and lost. What sense does that make? Im not trying to compare the guy to the Yonko.

And Shanks is an anomaly. The guy is strong yet weak enough to lose his arm to a seaking and let a pre darkness fruit Teach put the paws on him to a permanent scar on his face? Please tell me which version of Shanks were talking about that's winning the fight vs BB crew without Gryphon, Benn, Yasopp and a Handicapped Roo cuz based of feats and essentially anything but hype and speculation hes taking an L here lol

Also Kaido got 7 loses lmao. Maybe we should stop overreacting to L's in OP cuz clearly they dont truly determine much about a character. Especially when they are circumstantial af lol

TEACH pirates were not strong as now as we now they are still growing! And getting dfs
Marco had the same crre for yeats, they should have better teamwork and he had stronger allies and crewmates than Teach possibly

 

[Hurley Pirates]

There really gotta an Ace. The fact also none of the calamity so far fought Wano Top Men is fishy and tells me that they were way weaker. Probably super rookies 20 years ago.

WB Kaido BM all started making their own names 33 years ago!
King might not even be 45...looking at how jack is 28, I bet King is between 37-42
Oda gave WB an older Commander : Oden 59 y.o (if alive) , while BM has Kata 48 y.o ;
Kaido being younger than BM and WB , will probably have a YC1 younger than Kata and Oden!

WB Kaido BM crews dont have Vice Captains role, the strongest just takes the lead.
They just have commanders.

With WB: his older commander who was the strongest left.
With BM : her youngest commander who was the weakest got demoted.
With Kaido : possibly someone as old or near Kaido in Age,
his oldest/strongest commander is hidden for special cases.
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TEACH pirates were not strong as now as we now they are still growing! And getting dfs
Marco had the same crre for yeats, they should have better teamwork and he had stronger allies and crewmates than Teach possibly

Lol Teamwork. We talking about elite level scaled battles and we drawing the line at team work? This man has two Df's both haux af.

As we know OP Battles are top heavy. Fodders gone be fodders. BB had more heavy hitter at the top then Marco did. BB already marking up future Yonko faces pre DF's. He also received help too:

Side Note: I see you got my girl Yara Shahidi in the avi lol Just finished Grownish season 2. When's season 3 dropping?!

 

[Shiroyru]

Marco might have conqueror haki since he was viewed as potential emperor by the gorosei. King might have conqueror haki as well because of his name. Kaido also said "we don't need that much conquerors" implying he at least has one in his crew. Arguing for the rest is pointless at this point until they get more foreshadow or development

This argument doesn't mean much. As @comrade said, Oda just wanted to draw parallel between Luffy, Whitebeard and Shanks. Ace also had conqueror haki, but wasn't mentioned

Very high, Kata at this point has good chances to be the weakest yc1 so the others as stronger than him should have good chances ss well to get it.

Ηοpe Marco does , hope Shiryu does not , I think King has it because of the name and I don't care about Ben.

If i remember right Rayleigh said (when he showed Luffy the 3 types of Haki) that ofter the pirates who made a name for themselves in the NW often have CoC so chances are pretty high that first mates have it

Would be odd if Ben didn't have it.

Marco might have it too tbh. In Marineford, Oda just wanted to draw a parallel between Luffy, Whitebeard and Shanks. Naming Marco along the lines would unnecessarily put Marco on the same spot. But not giving him the benefit of the doubt in this case. King? Probably also doesn't have it. Ben has it for sure in my opinion. Shiryu? Nope.

So Marco was just gonna let Ace die instead of using CoC to knock out the guards?

 

[comrade]

So Marco was just gonna let Ace die instead of using CoC to knock out the guards?

Well. Marco was injured and pinned down by Kairoseki. He even asked if Luffy did it. So not even his consciousness was on point.

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

There really gotta an Ace. The fact also none of the calamity so far fought Wano Top Men is fishy and tells me that they were way weaker. Probably super rookies 20 years ago.

WB Kaido BM all started making their own names 33 years ago!
King might not even be 45...looking at how jack is 28, I bet King is between 37-42
Oda gave WB an older Commander : Oden 59 y.o (if alive) , while BM has Kata 48 y.o ;
Kaido being younger than BM and WB , will probably have a YC1 younger than Kata and Oden!

WB Kaido BM crews dont have Vice Captains role, the strongest just takes the lead.
They just have commanders.

With WB: his older commander who was the strongest left.
With BM : her youngest commander who was the weakest got demoted.
With Kaido : possibly someone as old or near Kaido in Age,
his oldest/strongest commander is hidden for special cases.
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TEACH pirates were not strong as now as we now they are still growing! And getting dfs
Marco had the same crre for yeats, they should have better teamwork and he had stronger allies and crewmates than Teach possibly

I agree.
Also, it's worth noting that with Big Mom, we already know that Streusen was the right hand UNTIL Katakuri proved his worth when he grew older and got stronger. So, Roger had Rayleigh, WB had Oden, Big Mom had Streusen (granted not as strong as people would hope him to be, but still). So, it's more likely that Kaido probably had his own guy back in the day.

 

[Cyrus the Cactus]

So Marco was just gonna let Ace die instead of using CoC to knock out the guards?

Sengoku, Hancock, and Doffy are confirmed CoC users and they didn’t use it in Marineford either

 

[Shiroyru]

Sengoku, Hancock, and Doffy are confirmed CoC users and they didn’t use it in Marineford either

Hancock only cared about Luffy

Sengoku and Doffy wanted Ace to die

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[Hurley Pirates]

Sengoku, Hancock, and Doffy are confirmed CoC users and they didn’t use it in Marineford either

Yeah I'd say the only one you mentioned with CoC who would have any incentive to use it as the war played out was Sengoku lol

 

[Jiihad]

I’d be surprised if Benn ain’t have it tbh. He supposedly stands shoulder to shoulder wit Shanks, and tha crow appears to be Haki users predominantly. So it would make sense

King, I could see it. Tha fact his name is literally King could very well be a major indicator of such. Plus he’s supposedly tha last if his race

Shiryu, I expect him to have it when we see him later. He’s an EOS opponent for one of tha main characters(who’s entire role is to fight and be tha Vc/RHM).

Marco, I wouldn’t be surprised either really. You gotta remember these 5 guys(including Katakuri) are in tha top what? .02% if people in tha world. As far as ambition and strength goes. Plus after WB, Thatch and Ace died. Jozu lost his arm, Teach defected. Tha World Government still thought Marco and tha remnants could beat Teach who had WB’s Quake powers and Shiryu(Magellan’s equal) and lvl6 impel down prisoners(whom WB iirc, said would be troublesome) and tha winner of that fight would’ve been tha 4th emperor
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Hancock only cared about Luffy

Sengoku and Doffy wanted Ace to die

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When has Doffy ever said he wanted Ace dead

 

[Inspector_Mu]

Zoro wont battle a CoC opponent 1vs 1
Forget it
Shiryu wont have CoC, coz he isnt a conqueror

Marco is the chicken.

King is a joke.

Maybe Jack might awaken CoC

 

[Zenos7]

Zoro wont battle a CoC opponent 1vs 1

why not?

 

[Cyrus the Cactus]

Hancock only cared about Luffy

Sengoku and Doffy wanted Ace to die

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Hancock could’ve used it to help Luffy.
Sengoku could’ve used it to help the Marines.
Doffy could’ve used it to spread even more chaos.

All in all, there were 5 (maybe more?) confirmed CoC users present in Marineford and ONLY Luffy used it.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Marco isn't WB's real right hand. His original right hand man was probably oden.

 

[Finalbeta]

Marco isn't WB's real right hand. His original right hand man was probably oden.

This is an interesting thought

 

[Shiroyru]

Hancock could’ve used it to help Luffy.
Sengoku could’ve used it to help the Marines.
Doffy could’ve used it to spread even more chaos.

All in all, there were 5 (maybe more?) confirmed CoC users present in Marineford and ONLY Luffy used it.

Doing so would mean losing her Warlord title
Doflamingo didn’t care enough to use it.
Sengoku never used his (databook) CoC for the same reason why he didn’t do anything else in the war.

Marco not using his CoC when Ace was about to die just makes no sense

 

[Inspector_Mu]

why not?

Coz Oda wanks luffy so much
He gives luffy people who have CoC
Whether a master or opponent or milestone, father or inspiration

He will make anyone strong in NW linked to Luffy be a CoC user.

Chinjao was weaker than Zoro Sanji yet Oda still made Luffy battle him

It doesn't matter how weak or strong the dude is...
Oda is makinh luffy beating conquerors while Zoro and Sanji fight normal fighters

 

[Zenos7]

Coz Oda wanks luffy so much
He gives luffy people who have CoC
Whether a master or opponent or milestone, father or inspiration

He will make anyone strong in NW linked to Luffy be a CoC user.

Chinjao was weaker than Zoro Sanji yet Oda still made Luffy battle him

It doesn't matter how weak or strong the dude is...
Oda is makinh luffy beating conquerors while Zoro and Sanji fight normal fighters

Did Cracker have CoC?

Chinjao also fought lao g, did he have CoC?

And what has this to do with zoro?

 

[Jack Newgate]

I think not. Even Katakuri shouldnt have it but since he was supposed to be a better Luffy in every way, he got CoC too. In the end, irrelevant ability. Ace, could have had whatever power you can think of, he had to die, making it irrelevant in the end.

This is the key reason. Katakuri only had it to mimic Luffy and emphasise the 'Mirroring' theme going on. It didn't have any impact or relevance to the story or plot or even add anything to Katakuri himself. I mean, the man spent 40 years under his mother's shadow just being a good mama's boy. One would think he's the least suitable candidate for having CoC - where's his ambition? the drive to be better? the will to dominate others? How does the man have the will of a King if he cannot even leave his mother's side and gets scolded like a brat? He's just coasting along eating donuts and taking out whomever is dumb enough to attack BM in the heart of her territory...what a challenge that is.

Yet Oda decides to give him CoC just for the thematic element. I'd expect that even if Oda never originally intended to for Marco and the others (how long ago was MF anyway 10 years now? plenty of time for Oda to change his mind or add something he never made explicit Marco didn't have), he'd probably go "What the heck, the other YC1s will have it too"...it's not like it has any significant impact one way or the other anyway.

King - his name and card position. Highest ranked card in a deck ( below Ace, right). The guy made Perospero and Compote sweat drop and BM acknowledged him and invited him into her crew. Him being the only survivor of his race could hint at extraordinary will power too.

Beckmann - he's infamous and Shanks's right hand.

Shiryuu - if it is him being BB's YC1, we saw how at Impel Down he went his own way and had to be imprisoned by Magellan. He could have gone his own way but elected to save and join up with BB.