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Ass Pull Powerups in One Piece Are:

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Steve Madden

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#82
What a garbage thread. Wrote paragraphs crying about power ups because Sanji got one that was already set up an arc ago. Ironic you bring up Sanji and Luffy and somehow miss Zoro's powerups lmao.

Zoro went from not using conquerors at all to using a conquerors imbued attack. Zoro used asura out of nowhere. But yet no mention of it because you love riding Zoro's nuts.
 
Peroroncino

Peroroncino

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#87
#87
faker said:
Oda didn't destroy Sanji. Don't change the subject. Zoro inherited Wado from his childhood sweetheart
Because of luck, got Sandy
Ryuma who defeated Brook's shadow
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the subject here is sanji you just switched it to zoro to help cope.If zoro inherited it then it's his and sandai's owner said it would be an honor for zoro to carry his swords, meanwhile shusui literally wants to be zoro's.
Sanji is ruined and crying ''b-but zoro'' won't change that:steef:
 
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faker

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#88
#88
Peroroncino said:
the subject here is sanji you just switched it to zoro to help cope.If zoro inherited it then it's his and sandai's owner said it would be an honor for zoro to carry his swords, meanwhile shusui literally wants to be zoro's.
Sanji is ruined and crying ''b-but zoro'' won't change that:steef:
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The same Sanji inherited the power of the family

Zoro needs to thank him for his childhood sweetheart, the knife that can't even cut mihawk, otherwise he can only fight with his bare hands

And don't be idealistic. Sandy is because of luck

Your double standards do not change the facts
 
Peroroncino

Peroroncino

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#89
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faker said:
The same Sanji inherited the power of the family

Zoro needs to thank him for his childhood sweetheart, the knife that can't even cut mihawk, otherwise he can only fight with his bare hands

And don't be idealistic. Sandy is because of luck

Your double standards do not change the facts
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you're right wado can't even cut mihawk,it needs zoro to do it unlike sanji he doesn't use powers his daddy gave him
 
ZenZu

ZenZu

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#92
#92
Steve Madden said:
What a garbage thread. Wrote paragraphs crying about power ups because Sanji got one that was already set up an arc ago. Ironic you bring up Sanji and Luffy and somehow miss Zoro's powerups lmao.

Zoro went from not using conquerors at all to using a conquerors imbued attack. Zoro used asura out of nowhere. But yet no mention of it because you love riding Zoro's nuts.
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Someone was already in their feelings, and clearly didn't read the opening post, he shit on Zoro harder than Sanji.
 
Nel-Zel fiasco

Nel-Zel fiasco

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#95
#95
Fleet Admiral Lee Hung said:
@Celestial D. Dragon i wanted to respond to your initial comments about how to not execute Powerups poorly and how to actually do them well. I will use Kingdom as an example of how to do this excellently. I’ll spoiler tag this for anyone who does not want to be spoiled for a major Kingdom Arc.

So, in the most recent Kingdom Arc, Shin gets not one, not two, but three big Powerups. Three. All three of these Powerups were necessary to overcome the odds that he faced in that arc, and none of these Powerups felt contrived or like ass pulls.

The first powerup was that Shin began wielding a weapon that he has explicitly been training for years to be able to wield. Pretty self-explanatory why this is not an ass pull powerup lol.

The second was that Shin’s unit “awakened” evolving to a level of strength that only the strongest armies in history have attained. The reason that they were able to awaken was due to the amount of years that this army has fought together, and the amount of trials and hardships that they overcame at each other’s sides, and the amount of good times they’ve had together over the years as well. This powerup was 10 years in the making, all 10 of those years we spent alongside the unit watching their triumphs and failures together, with the Awakening itself coming at a point in time where it looked like the Unit itself was facing certain destruction, Shin was able to rally his men with a very emotional speech recounting all of their times together, which caused the unit to explode with emotion and reach a new realm of power. Again, this powerup is definitely not an ass pull because Hara has been building up to this moment for the past 10 years of in-manga time, this powerup serving as a culmination of all the struggles the unit has endured together.

The third powerup that Shin unlocked was “Weight”. This is kinda like the emotional strength Zoro gained from Kuina but less Shonen. Basically Shin can now draw strength from all the comrades that he’s lost over the years in the manga. “His strength is now fueled by all of their dreams too,” etc…you get it. But the point is that all of Shin’s comrades who we as the reader have spent emotional moments with, have seen die, have experienced time with, etc..Shin now carries their dreams forward with him, and the arc was written in such a way that Shin unlocking this now feels perfectly appropriate and planned for, which is specific as I can be while being brief.

These three Powerups feel like the natural progression of the narrative and Shin’s character and feel like Hara has intentionally built up to them for over 10 years in manga and real time.

Now let’s look at the three ass-tactic Powerups Luffy unlocked in Wano and why their introductions feel sudden and just makes Luffy feel like a lazy privileged idiot.

1. Luffy’s sudden muscle increase from lifting weights in Udon: Luffy gaining 40 pounds of muscle after one week of training just makes Luffy seem lazy as fuck given that Zoro keeps heavy weights on the Sunny. Luffy could’ve just spent a week lifting Zoro’s weights and achieved the same result, but instead Luffy spent all his free time on the Sunny blowing loads into the ocean or whatever Luffy even does between islands. So Luffy’s first Wano powerup just makes him feel lazy and like he only studies after he shows up for the test and fails.

2. Emission Haki-the same as point 1, Luffy already knew what this shit was from Rayleigh but didn’t unlock it until now simply because Luffy is a lazy bum who never trains until after he’s already been placed into a situation for which he was woefully unprepared. And literally it took him what? 3 days of training? The trip from WCI to Wano was a week long, just saying lmfao.

3. AdCoC-This one is by far the dumbest because the second Luffy learned what this shit was, he was matching Kaido in an advanced conqueror’s Haki technique with absolutely no explanation whatsoever. Literally from the depths of Oda’s ass cheeks is where this powerup came from.

You may argue Luffy’s conqueror’s haku has been growing between arcs, but Luffy’s growing conqueror’s Haki is something that’s never even been suggested in any way by the narrative. At best this is just an attempt to make Luffy’s AdCoC power look like it’s been foreshadowed since FMI, when it absolutely has not, and there’s never been any indication in the manga of Luffy becoming stronger with his conqueror’s Haki since the timeskip.

This is the difference between giant Powerups that are executed with the precision and planning of a master (Kingdom), and Powerups that look like Oda accidentally shat his pants and is desperately trying to get all of the shit out of his clothes before anybody smells it (One Piece).

Hope this helps.
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Thank You very much
you explained better that me about how oda Should Handle Power Ups
 
ZenZu

ZenZu

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#99
#99
Steve Madden said:
Wasn't talking about op 🤡
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So you don't quote anyone, start your post by saying "garbage thread" and reference paragraphs crying about power ups, when there aren't paragraphs anywhere near your post.

But it's my fault for thinking you're talking about the OP. Sure bud, let's just go with that now that you got called out.
 
notAfanboy

notAfanboy

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#100
#100
Some may say that fights are not One Piece's speciality.

Yet, all of the hype is created by these legendary fighters. The destroyed Kingdom was known for its military might. They built ancient weapons. Yet, the fight is not One Piece's speciality.

Is it political Manga? No
What genre is One Piece?
Is it Shonen?
How will you satisfy its 1000 chapter long story?

One Piece sure has Punch Lines (hyped fights, PUs), but Oda has tendency to delay the Punch Lines, so it makes the joke dull.

Biggest mistake was the delay after Time Skip.
All the SHs should have come out stronger, rather than showing their ass pull power ups now.
It would have been justified that they trained in those 2 years, and became stronger.
 
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