Character Discussion Do you really think Luffy's real rival is Kid?

And yet, even with Luffy’s personality, he’s able to identify Blackbeard just by his voice, and remember his name




And he’s got no problem remembering what to call Kaido or Big Mom either.
Luffy forgot who Marco was until luffy was told “pineapple” it’s a personality trait
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Kidd is luffy's shiki. At one point he may stand in luffy's way then he will get swatted down and become irrelevant to the rest of the story. I see at best kidd having a mini arc as the main villain for the sh's, lose and maybe show up at the final war.
lol you guys really don’t even know what your talking about.

shiki was never irrelevant in the world. He’s just not currently in the plot. Just like how Marco was irrelevant until marineford or Rayleigh outside of flashbacks with training has been irrelevant.

I don’t know where this shit comes from it’s like you guys see people say something then repeat it without thinking if it makes sense.
 
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Luffy forgot who Marco was until luffy was told “pineapple” it’s a personality trait
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lol you guys really don’t even know what your talking about.

shiki was never irrelevant in the world. He’s just not currently in the plot. Just like how Marco was irrelevant until marineford or Rayleigh outside of flashbacks with training has been irrelevant.

I don’t know where this shit comes from it’s like you guys see people say something then repeat it without thinking if it makes sense.
How about asking instead of being condescending my guy?
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i doubt that , since SHs are much much stronger than Kid Pirates currently , post Wano the gap will be even bigger
Yea that's why I said at best and it being a mini arc. I didn't say kidd would beat the sh's just he'd get a little spot light for maybe 15 chapters.
 
Kidd fans are kinda similar to Sanji fans

"But but but they compete against each other over silly questions, they must be equal"
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I'm sorry to compare Kidd (he's in my top 15) to Sanji but this is the truth
If you think the line or reasoning is just that, you probably didn't read my posts...
 
If you think the line or reasoning is just that, you probably didn't read my posts...
Ok, tell me how in the world he is gonna stay relevant considering also this: https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...k-luffys-real-rival-is-kid.12329/post-1227077

After Wano Luffy will be projected towards the real big players, how can Kidd stay relevant.

Oda doesn't have the time to focus on Kidd after Wano since that it will be the time to focus on the big players, his fans must understand this.

He ain't gonna do other arcs with him or, even worse, an arc with him as a main villain which is a laughable idea to begin with
 
Ok, tell me how in the world he is gonna stay relevant considering also this: https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...k-luffys-real-rival-is-kid.12329/post-1227077

After Wano Luffy will be projected towards the real big players, how can Kidd stay relevant.

Oda doesn't have the time to focus on Kidd after Wano since that it will be the time to focus on the big players, his fans must understand this.

He ain't gonna do other arcs with him or, even worse, an arc with him as a main villain which is a laughable idea to begin with
I'll post here what a user answered under a thread I made about Kidd future relevance:

"I don't really have much to add other than the fact that I think Kid will play a prominent role going forward. But about lodestar, I've been thinking for a while now that Kid would be the major antagonist there and the main reason for that is because the island thematically represents Kid as a character and his abilities.
In sailing terms a "lodestar" is usually referred to as the "North Star" or "Pole Star" and as we all know a compass always points North due to the Magnetic Field. As we all know Kid’s ability allows him to create magnetic fields around him. Furthermore, the term “lode” literally refers to a collection or vein of metal ore which we know is what Kid uses to attack.
From these two things alone we can see the island is being built around two things, The ‘final’ destination and magnetism (Of course we know that laugh tale is the final destination, but symbolically Lodestar is the “end of the road” kind of island). People may see this as a ‘reach’ but Oda ALWAYS heavily creates antagonists that fit thematically to an arc. Just a few examples:
- The underground broker hidden in the shadows, uses sand abilities, Crocodile in a desert arc (Alabasta)
- A God high up in the skies, uses lightning abilities, Enel in a Sky arc (Skypeia)
- A Gluttonous witch-like queen, uses soul-based abilities, Big Mom in an arc about food and based on European fairy tales (Whole Cake Island)
There’s A LOT more but I don’t want to waste time. You can obviously see how an island based on metal and magnetism would be about Eustass Kid. But even more than that, thematically it fits Kid’s character. The “North Star” (Lodestar) is said to be the brightest star in the night sky (As a saying, its not actually the brightest lol) and what better way to represent that than having the last two supernova’s (Literally some of the brightest explosions in the universe) fight it out at the very end of their adventure, to see who truly is the brightest (Obviously it’s going to be Luffy). Once Luffy wins then their relationship and arc can finally end with Kid acknowledging Luffy and recognizing his own faults. I think Luffy and Kid will always be competitive but their relationship (imo) is supposed to grow as they gain more respect for one another. I HEAVILY doubt that Oda would mention an island like “lodestar” and not visit it or do anything interesting with it.
Also as a side note, I think the previous user of Kid’s devil fruit is what artificially created the random magnetic fields in the grandline which would again add another interesting tidbit to his character. All this to say that, while he doesn’t seem important to you all now, there are MANY MANY things Oda can do with his character and of course I can be wrong but I think it’s a bit disingenuous to say that he’ll be irrelevant after Wano"


Do you still see it as a 'laughable idea to begin with'?
 
A) Imagine wasting Lodestar Island in the favour of Kidd pirates
B) They aren't credible opponents at all, they don't have nobody besides Kidd and Killer.
Mugiwara have Luffy, Zoro, Sanji, Jinbe and who know, maybe also Yamato
A) "Wasting"... What do you expect from Lodestar? Is there some other plotline hinted to be relevant there?

B) First, we don't know the extent of Kidd manpower, especially how large will it be at that point. Oda could reintroduce him with a larger crew, giving opponents to all the SHs, if that's not the case then the rest of the SHs could be occupied with other things, being Lodestar an important and historical island:

- Nami preparing the route for Laugh Tale together with Robin, using the coordinates on the Road Poneglypgh
- Robin reading the Road Poneglyphs coordinates, preparing with Nami the route for Laugh Tale
- Franky becoming (in action) useless cause of Kidd, passing the arc fixing/upgrading the Sunny for the Laugh Tale race
- Jimbe scouting the sea after Lodestar
- Zoro fighting Killer
- Luffy fighting Kidd
- A pair of SHs fighting Heat/Wire

This is a scenario I came with on the spot, if Oda intends to do so then he'll not have problem with it
Also, SHs (Luffy and Zoro aside) don't necessary need fights in Lodestar, they'll have 1v1 fights in Laugh Tale a bit later
 
Kid to Luffy is more or less like WB to Roger while BB to Luffy is more or less like Rocks to Roger.
Can we really say that WB and Roger are not rival just because Roger has rivalry with Rocks before and WB didn't really share similar goal with Roger? Obviously we couldn't. They are still rival in certain way.

While not exactly similar, there are some parallel between Luffy-BB and Luffy-Kid relationship with Roger-Rocks and Roger-WB relationship.
BB will be the first and one of the toughest anti-thesis from Luffy while Kid will be more a "healthy" rival for Luffy.


After Luffy-BB business settled in near EoS, Kid then will be known by the person who will come after this era as Luffy's rival (more or less like WB was known as Roger's rival by people who live in current era, after Roger's business with Rocks was settled).
 
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Kid to Luffy is more or less like WB to Roger while BB to Luffy is more or less like Rocks to Roger.
Can we really say that WB and Roger are not rival just because Roger has rivalry with Rocks before and WB didn't really share similar goal with Roger? Obviously we couldn't. They are still rival in certain way.

While not exactly similar, there are some parallel between Luffy-BB and Luffy-Kid relationship with Roger-Rocks and Roger-WB relationship.
BB will be the first and one of the toughest anti-thesis from Luffy while Kid will be more a "healthy" rival for Luffy.


After Luffy-BB business settled in near EoS, Kid then will be known by the person who will come after this era as Luffy's rival (more or less like WB was known as Roger's rival by people who live in current era, after Roger's business with Rocks was settled).


Also, if my mind serve me right, Supernova was planned by Oda. He just didn't planned to reveal them in Shabaody, but later in the story. Cmiiw.
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No, Super novas were not planned by Oda. He planned them one chapter before he introduced them.
 
No, Super novas were not planned by Oda. He planned them one chapter before he introduced them.
Yes, I found Sandman translation after that.
Thank you.

No. All the SN were created at the same time, just before their introduction chapter.

Yepp, thank you. I already saw that not long after I posted. Edited my post so my main point will be more emphasized.
 

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Roger and Whitebeard are rivals. Akainu and Aokiji are rivals. Shanks and Mihawk are rivals. Zoro and Sanji are rivals. Dorry and Brogy are rivals. King and Queen are rivals. Rayleigh and Scopper are rivals. But not Luffy and Kidd?:milaugh:
Bulllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllshit. Drake ain't even a feckin pirate.
Drake is an exception. But the rest are still contenders.:kayneshrug:
 
I dont know anything about One Piece honestly anymore. The plot points are all so confusing and some end in literally 0 implications, so.. with the way things going, i dont even see Kidd having much time on pannel.
 
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