Future Events Does anyone still doubt these matchups ?

[Kuro Ashi]

Drake may get some clashes with Who's Who but he's not taking him down for good, Kaido's main crew is for the strowhats. Jinbe by himself is too strong for flying six at this point.

I think he might take him out, Drake's whole character was built for this Wano conflict so he should get a pretty significant moment. With Who's Who setting up the trap, it would be a good opponent for him to take on and get some payback.

I don't believe Jimbe is that strong for some of the very strong F6 to be unable to give him a decent fight. We've had instances of him calling Big Mom's Veterans " monsters" back in WCI, i think it's a level of strength that he finds respectable.

Sasaki could keep him busy enough and give him something to do. I don't expect Jimbe to get one of those fights where he pushes himself and overcomes his limits. He's going to be the Veteran that shows Franky, Brook or Robin for example how it's done.

Those "limit breaker" fights vs King and Queen i think are reserved for Zoro and Sanji.

 

[Jackteo]

Yes, Sanji vs Queen is an awful matchup.
The only interesting thing of that fight is that Sanji might become blind and unlock advanced CoO during the fight, the rest is hideous.

Another thing that isn't brought up frequently is that Shiliew and King are way to similar with that uniform. I doubt Zoro is going to fight them one after the other

 

[Kuro Ashi]

Yes, Sanji vs Queen is an awful matchup.
The only interesting thing of that fight is that Sanji might become blind and unlock advanced CoO during the fight, the rest is hideous.

Another thing that isn't brought up frequently is that Shiliew and King are way to similar with that uniform. I doubt Zoro is going to fight them one after the other

I think it's cool, it's almos a reverse of EL with Kaku and Jabra. Zoro get's the carnivore, Sanji get's the long neck herbivore.

Queen should put to the test Sanji's durability, i expect him to have most muscle among Kaido's subordinate, his Hybrid form should be huge. When a hit will connect, that should hurt like crazy.

Also he should put Sanji's CoA to the test. Such a big brawler should have very good CoA, so it will be kind of similar with how Jabra was the Tekkai specialist of the CP9. Hurting him badly should be very difficult, so for Sanji to put him down, he will have to push his attack power to a whole new level.

I think this is where we will see the next advancement of DJ/HM, the way Sanji initially pulled DJ to deal with Jabra's Tekkai.

Also Queen's huge body is such a fitting target for Sanji's first Post Time Skip Anti Manner Kick Course

 

[Chaves]

Sasaki and Who's Who were highlighted among the F6 as former Captains who don't listen to King,

Oda gave them hype precisely because they are going to be the ones facing the strongest mugiwaras outside monster trio and Jinbe, who are Franky and Brook.

In fact, before the introduction of Tobi Roppo, WW, Sasaki and Black Maria appear in sequence showing that they are veterans TR (just like Franky / Brook / Robin), so he made WW a skinny swordsman to match Brook, made Sasaki a wide shirtless man to match Franky and made Black Maria a sadistic woman like Robin.
Next is shown the interaction of Ulti with Pageone, who are the newest members (ie newbies) who are more gag material, which would be a perfect match for Nami/Chopper or Nami/Usopp.

Things are very clear here, it is set in stone. The only thing that I think makes people not believe in these fights is the hype in the WW that people assumed he is commander level or close to. But Oda must solve this in the next chapters, making Queen easily destroy him, and then people get WW to an appropriate level, is he probably 5 or 10% stronger than Pageone? Damn, we don't have dorikis here, but Oda must clarify that the calamities are on another level, and that the Tobi Roppo are no more than Perosperous.

That's what I've been talking about all along, when I made my thread here "see below" people were like...

"You are asking too much", "there's no way Zoro and Sanji can defeat King and Queen", "there's no way that Luffy 1v1 an emperor in Wano" bla, bla blaaaaaaaaaaaaaa... give me a break.

Wise man /\

 

[Tobra]

i just want sanji to fight the serious guy for once the only time that happened was sanji vs kuroobi

idc about zoro he can kill kaido or bigmom

 

[mosaab]

from an artistic perspective zoro vs king & sanji vs queen is not that interesting.
K & Q are very large, requiring a wide perspective that Z & S fights never gave.
luffy gets a way with fighting kata because he is flexible, he can stretch and enlarge.
Z & S's best fights are all close quarters. where there is coriagraphy. that's why kid and law fit much better. kid has that luffy flexibility where his every attack is from a wide perspective, laws ability also allow for more maneuverability against king.
Z&S should fight Who's who and Sasaki. a swordsman and a possible fishman karate user of semi equal size is more visually engaging and allows Z&S enough stamina to help against kaido.

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Oda gave them hype precisely because they are going to be the ones facing the strongest mugiwaras outside monster trio and Jinbe, who are Franky and Brook.

In fact, before the introduction of Tobi Roppo, WW, Sasaki and Black Maria appear in sequence showing that they are veterans TR (just like Franky / Brook / Robin), so he made WW a skinny swordsman to match Brook, made Sasaki a wide shirtless man to match Franky and made Black Maria a sadistic woman like Robin.
Next is shown the interaction of Ulti with Pageone, who are the newest members (ie newbies) who are more gag material, which would be a perfect match for Nami/Chopper or Nami/Usopp.

Things are very clear here, it is set in stone. The only thing that I think makes people not believe in these fights is the hype in the WW that people assumed he is commander level or close to. But Oda must solve this in the next chapters, making Queen easily destroy him, and then people get WW to an appropriate level, is he probably 5 or 10% stronger than Pageone? Damn, we don't have dorikis here, but Oda must clarify that the calamities are on another level, and that the Tobi Roppo are no more than Perosperous.



Wise man /\

imagine thinking that comparing the tobi roppo to perospero is an insult?
pero handled chopper and brook with absurd ease, and pedro too (who I consider above both).
and Oda has never been that boring or predictable with his match ups.
the tobi roppo are equivalent to the supernova, and the supernova (+sanji -luffy,law,kid) will be taking them out. (I believe they [apoo,hawkins] will turn on kaido too).

 

[Garp the Fist]

from an artistic perspective zoro vs king & sanji vs queen is not that interesting.
K & Q are very large, requiring a wide perspective that Z & S fights never gave.
luffy gets a way with fighting kata because he is flexible, he can stretch and enlarge.
Z & S's best fights are all close quarters. where there is coriagraphy. that's why kid and law fit much better. kid has that luffy flexibility where his every attack is from a wide perspective, laws ability also allow for more maneuverability against king.
Z&S should fight Who's who and Sasaki. a swordsman and a possible fishman karate user of semi equal size is more visually engaging and allows Z&S enough stamina to help against kaido.

Kaku and Jabra were both much bigger than Zoro and Sanji

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Oda needs to do the write thing and have
Luffy vs Jack
Kidd vs Queen
Zoro vs King
Then Luffy Zoro Kidd vs Kaido

Rest of the players are irrelevant and don't need a fight.

 

[Kuro Ashi]

Oda gave them hype precisely because they are going to be the ones facing the strongest mugiwaras outside monster trio and Jinbe, who are Franky and Brook.

In fact, before the introduction of Tobi Roppo, WW, Sasaki and Black Maria appear in sequence showing that they are veterans TR (just like Franky / Brook / Robin), so he made WW a skinny swordsman to match Brook, made Sasaki a wide shirtless man to match Franky and made Black Maria a sadistic woman like Robin.
Next is shown the interaction of Ulti with Pageone, who are the newest members (ie newbies) who are more gag material, which would be a perfect match for Nami/Chopper or Nami/Usopp.

Things are very clear here, it is set in stone. The only thing that I think makes people not believe in these fights is the hype in the WW that people assumed he is commander level or close to. But Oda must solve this in the next chapters, making Queen easily destroy him, and then people get WW to an appropriate level, is he probably 5 or 10% stronger than Pageone? Damn, we don't have dorikis here, but Oda must clarify that the calamities are on another level, and that the Tobi Roppo are no more than Perosperous.



Wise man /\

You have 5 remaining Tobi Roppo and 6 SH's if you want to exclude Jimbe, so the numbers don't pan out for 1 vs 1 for all of them anyway.

We obviously disagree on the details, but we do agree on the sentiment that some of the SH's will be facing F6 members, in spite of many people thinking that the likes of Franky, Brook or Robin are not ready.

i just want sanji to fight the serious guy for once the only time that happened was sanji vs kuroobi

idc about zoro he can kill kaido or bigmom

I guess this is a subjective thing, i like Sanji's opponents. Bentham ended up being such an amazing character, and i've enjoyed Queen a lot so far in Wano.

from an artistic perspective zoro vs king & sanji vs queen is not that interesting.
K & Q are very large, requiring a wide perspective that Z & S fights never gave.
luffy gets a way with fighting kata because he is flexible, he can stretch and enlarge.
Z & S's best fights are all close quarters. where there is coriagraphy. that's why kid and law fit much better. kid has that luffy flexibility where his every attack is from a wide perspective, laws ability also allow for more maneuverability against king.
Z&S should fight Who's who and Sasaki. a swordsman and a possible fishman karate user of semi equal size is more visually engaging and allows Z&S enough stamina to help against kaido.

They have Hybrid forms, they will be smaller. Look how small X Drake and Page One are in hybrid. It will not be that much different from Jabra and Kaku, just a bit larger than them.

 

[kurwa]

Queen vs Sanji can't happen on sole reason that Queen can't keep Sanji in check.
Sanji can just fly up and go help fight against Kaido.
Or during their fight Sanji can just fly up and rest and Queen can't do shit about it. That just removes the "danger" of the fight.

Same with King vs Zolo. Zolo has absolutely nothing to keep King in check from reaching Kaido and helping him.
Zolo needed Usopp's help just to reach and cut Punk hazzard dragon- and that dragon was waaay bigger than King.
Zolo couldn't keep up with Pica, what's he gonna do vs King?


Sanji vs King- both stop another one from leaving the fight and helping in Kaido fight.
Zolo vs Queen- both grounded opponents keeping each other in check

 

[HA001]

Queen vs Sanji can't happen on sole reason that Queen can't keep Sanji in check.
Sanji can just fly up and go help fight against Kaido.
Or during their fight Sanji can just fly up and rest and Queen can't do shit about it. That just removes the "danger" of the fight.

Same with King vs Zolo. Zolo has absolutely nothing to keep King in check from reaching Kaido and helping him.
Zolo needed Usopp's help just to reach and cut Punk hazzard dragon- and that dragon was waaay bigger than King.
Zolo couldn't keep up with Pica, what's he gonna do vs King?


Sanji vs King- both stop another one from leaving the fight and helping in Kaido fight.
Zolo vs Queen- both grounded opponents keeping each other in check

Queen vs Sanji can't happen on sole reason that Queen can't keep Sanji in check.
Sanji can just fly up and go help fight against Kaido.
Or during their fight Sanji can just fly up and rest and Queen can't do shit about it. That just removes the "danger" of the fight.

Same with King vs Zolo. Zolo has absolutely nothing to keep King in check from reaching Kaido and helping him.
Zolo needed Usopp's help just to reach and cut Punk hazzard dragon- and that dragon was waaay bigger than King.
Zolo couldn't keep up with Pica, what's he gonna do vs King?


Sanji vs King- both stop another one from leaving the fight and helping in Kaido fight.
Zolo vs Queen- both grounded opponents keeping each other in check

Kings not going up to kaido so he doesnt need to worry about that

 

[Kuro Ashi]

Queen vs Sanji can't happen on sole reason that Queen can't keep Sanji in check.
Sanji can just fly up and go help fight against Kaido.
Or during their fight Sanji can just fly up and rest and Queen can't do shit about it. That just removes the "danger" of the fight.

Same with King vs Zolo. Zolo has absolutely nothing to keep King in check from reaching Kaido and helping him.
Zolo needed Usopp's help just to reach and cut Punk hazzard dragon- and that dragon was waaay bigger than King.
Zolo couldn't keep up with Pica, what's he gonna do vs King?

What if Sanji needs to keep Queen in check becaue otherwise he starts targetting everyone else ?

What if King decides that Zoro needs to be eliminated and is the one constantly on the offensive ?

 

[bennbeckman]

Oda needs to do the write thing and have
Luffy vs Jack
Kidd vs Queen
Zoro vs King
Then Luffy Zoro Kidd vs Kaido

Rest of the players are irrelevant and don't need a fight.

Straight facts

 

[Master OF Haki]

I think he might take him out, Drake's whole character was built for this Wano conflict so he should get a pretty significant moment. With Who's Who setting up the trap, it would be a good opponent for him to take on and get some payback

Oh. I'm sure he will be important against Kaido-Big Mom alliance but not against Drake, Kaido's main crew is for strowhats and only for them.

I don't believe Jimbe is that strong for some of the very strong F6 to be unable to give him a decent fight. We've had instances of him calling Big Mom's Veterans " monsters" back in WCI, i think it's a level of strength that he finds respectable.

Jinbe is that strong, he's amongst top 3 of Luffy, he's perfect oponnent is none other than Jack.

Sasaki could keep him busy enough and give him something to do. I don't expect Jimbe to get one of those fights where he pushes himself and overcomes his limits. He's going to be the Veteran that shows Franky, Brook or Robin for example how it's done.

He might not surpasse his limits but he for sure will be pushed to extreme diff by Jack. Jinbe is YC4/YC3 people don't realize how strong Jinbe is. Jack is the perfect oponnent for Jinbe, he's a Fishman just like Jinbe, he's known as "Jack the drought" and Jinbe uses water in he's fighting style, Jack is really tough and Jinbe has the power to break through it. Long story short, Jinbe vs Jack is guaranteed.

Those "limit breaker" fights vs King and Queen i think are reserved for Zoro and Sanji.

Maybe, but Jinbe will be the one to take down Jack.

 

[bennbeckman]

Kings not going up to kaido so he doesnt need to worry about that

King already "Left" Sanji after their first encounter LOL

 

[Kuro Ashi]

Some of you guys are weird.

I feel that there's a faction among Zoro's fanbase that would rather Zoro be weaker, if in exchange they can have Sanji be that much weaker.

Like if they can pick between Zoro Yonko level and him being just a bit stronger than Sanji, and Zoro Cracker level but way stronger than Sanji, they would go for the option where Sanji is as weak as possible

 

[mosaab]

not much bigger than franky now. while queen for example is massive without taking his hybrid form to acount.

how would a fight b/w Sanji and Queen go really?
now sanji has faught bigger apponants before, but the point of those fights were to show the contrast where the smaller is stronger. but queen is the stronger apponants. sanji kicks him ineffectually, and then queen swats him down or Sanji evades rinse and repeat. looks like the kinda fight that oda would ofscreen.
you guys want kata level fights for everyone, aside from kaido a don't think oda has the time nor the inclination to give it to you. so better give everyone fights that they could resonably defeat, because there is no time or space in this arc for sanji haki bloom, or usopp learning observation, or zoro taming Enma. all of that could be dealt with in other arcs when there Is not so many plots,characters,...etc.

 

[Kuro Ashi]

Oh. I'm sure he will be important against Kaido-Big Mom alliance but not against Drake, Kaido's main crew is for strowhats and only for them.

Jinbe is that strong, he's amongst top 3 of Luffy, he's perfect oponnent is none other than Jack.

He might not surpasse his limits but he for sure will be pushed to extreme diff by Jack. Jinbe is YC4/YC3 people don't realize how strong Jinbe is. Jack is the perfect oponnent for Jinbe, he's a Fishman just like Jinbe, he's known as "Jack the drought" and Jinbe uses water in he's fighting style, Jack is really tough and Jinbe has the power to break through it. Long story short, Jinbe vs Jack is guaranteed.

Maybe, but Jinbe will be the one to take down Jack.

I guess we can only wait and see. I don't want to argue too much about Jimbe's strength and who he can and can not face. I don't think he is meant to be as strong as some think and get a certain caliber opponent, but if he does i'm perfectly fine with it

 

[Master OF Haki]

I guess we can only wait and see. I don't want to argue too much about Jimbe's strength and who he can and can not face. I don't think he is meant to be as strong as some think and get a certain caliber opponent, but if he does i'm perfectly fine with it

Good.

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I guess we can only wait and see. I don't want to argue too much about Jimbe's strength and who he can and can not face. I don't think he is meant to be as strong as some think and get a certain caliber opponent, but if he does i'm perfectly fine with it

Good.

 

[Kuro Ashi]

not much bigger than franky now. while queen for example is massive without taking his hybrid form to acount.

how would a fight b/w Sanji and Queen go really?
now sanji has faught bigger apponants before, but the point of those fights were to show the contrast where the smaller is stronger. but queen is the stronger apponants. sanji kicks him ineffectually, and then queen swats him down or Sanji evades rinse and repeat. looks like the kinda fight that oda would ofscreen.
you guys want kata level fights for everyone, aside from kaido a don't think oda has the time nor the inclination to give it to you. so better give everyone fights that they could resonably defeat, because there is no time or space in this arc for sanji haki bloom, or usopp learning observation, or zoro taming Enma. all of that could be dealt with in other arcs when there Is not so many plots,characters,...etc.

Well Oda will certainly offscreen parts of their fights, that's pretty much a given.

This arc is for the SH's to overcome their limits, they got power ups and are set up to showcase a new range of feats. Zoro has the Enma training, and Sanji has yet to showcase what he can do with the RS alongside DJ, HM and so on.

It's fine if Sanji has a hard time damaging Queen at first, that was the case with the CP9 as well. Sanji pulled out DJ to deal with Jabra's Tekkai, giving him way stronger AP than previously. Same will be the case here, he will pull out something new, that will give him the required AP to put down Queen when landing a clean hit.