Future Events Does anyone still doubt these matchups ?

#42
There is Jinbe in the mix now and Sanji has yet to prove himself as superior than someone like Jinbe.
There is also the thing that for Sanjino any Calamity would be a major fight while for Zoro they are warm-up...
Zoro's strength is wasted anywhere else other than against Emperors.
Well you start with an unknown and continue with two assumptions. Does that sound like strong enough evidence to think it's more likely for things to be different than not ?
 
#46
There is Jinbe in the mix now and Sanji has yet to prove himself as superior than someone like Jinbe.
There is also the thing that for Sanjino any Calamity would be a major fight while for Zoro they are warm-up...
Zoro's strength is wasted anywhere else other than against Emperors.
Let Sanji get a Calamity fight to improve then. No one wants a scene of him kicking Page One until the morning or making fun of fodder numbers. Having hardships through the way is the method to grow for him, not humiliating and annihilating his opponents. (What he did to Page One was total humiliation.)
Zoro gets to fight an Emperor alongside Luffy and others? I got no problem with that lol. He can even solo for all he wants, I would be more than happy. The only problem I have is Oda going to great lengths to make people question credibility of Sanji. He should have made him train with Marco or Scopper during the timeskip
 
#47
Queen vs Sanji can't happen on sole reason that Queen can't keep Sanji in check.
Sanji can just fly up and go help fight against Kaido.
Or during their fight Sanji can just fly up and rest and Queen can't do shit about it. That just removes the "danger" of the fight.

Same with King vs Zolo. Zolo has absolutely nothing to keep King in check from reaching Kaido and helping him.
Zolo needed Usopp's help just to reach and cut Punk hazzard dragon- and that dragon was waaay bigger than King.
Zolo couldn't keep up with Pica, what's he gonna do vs King?


Sanji vs King- both stop another one from leaving the fight and helping in Kaido fight.
Zolo vs Queen- both grounded opponents keeping each other in check
Why in the hell would Sanji fight kaido? He can’t hurt him. He doesn’t have ryou .
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#48
Let Sanji get a Calamity fight to improve then. No one wants a scene of him kicking Page One until the morning or making fun of fodder numbers. Having hardships through the way is the method to grow for him, not humiliating and annihilating his opponents. (What he did to Page One was total humiliation.)
Zoro gets to fight an Emperor alongside Luffy and others? I got no problem with that lol. He can even solo for all he wants, I would be more than happy. The only problem I have is Oda going to great lengths to make people question credibility of Sanji. He should have made him train with Marco or Scopper during the timeskip
The problem is all 3 Calamities are swordsmen, even for Jinbe that is a problem.
If plot takes away the swords, sure, it's doable.
It will most likely take away Napoleon from Big Mom so Luffy can fight her and no reason why Sanji cannot join that fight.

Big Mom is also less agile than Calamities and is a target where Sanji can knock himself out from trying.
Considering her hyped durability it would be a real challenge for him to pull off an upgrade to even start damaging her.
That would be a far better challenge for him since that's where he lacks the most, firepower to damage tough things.
 
#50
The problem is all 3 Calamities are swordsmen, even for Jinbe that is a problem.
If plot takes away the swords, sure, it's doable.
It will most likely take away Napoleon from Big Mom so Luffy can fight her and no reason why Sanji cannot join that fight.

Big Mom is also less agile than Calamities and is a target where Sanji can knock himself out from trying.
Considering her hyped durability it would be a real challenge for him to pull off an upgrade to even start damaging her.
That would be a far better challenge for him since that's where he lacks the most, firepower to damage tough things.

I don't think Queen is a proper swordsman.

I think he fucks around with the swords in base cuz it's convenient, but his proper fighting style is some sort of Sumo Kenpo.

He had that Sumo Inferno thing going on in Udon, and he used some sort of wrestling type move on Big Mom. He engaged a Yonko in combat without going for his sword at all so i think that's a bit telling.

I think he's going to be a Kenpo user like all of Sanji's past main opponents, and his style will be related with Sumo/Wrestling, which is fitting with his build as well as for the Wano country emulating Japan.
 
#52
Some of you guys are weird.

I feel that there's a faction among Zoro's fanbase that would rather Zoro be weaker, if in exchange they can have Sanji be that much weaker.

Like if they can pick between Zoro Yonko level and him being just a bit stronger than Sanji, and Zoro Cracker level but way stronger than Sanji, they would go for the option where Sanji is as weak as possible :milaugh:
Funnily enough I that there is a part of the Sakho fan base who would rather have Sanji and Zoro fighting Who’s who and Sasaki than having Zoro fighting Kaido and Sanji fighting King. It seems to me that for them Sanji fighting King is only interesting if Zoro fight Queen or a lesser opponents.

Seems like the two fanbases how much more alike than some want to admit it:kayneshrug:

OT: people will doubt those match up until the said match up happen and are finish:kayneshrug::kayneshrug:
 
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#54
The problem is all 3 Calamities are swordsmen, even for Jinbe that is a problem.
If plot takes away the swords, sure, it's doable.
It will most likely take away Napoleon from Big Mom so Luffy can fight her and no reason why Sanji cannot join that fight.

Big Mom is also less agile than Calamities and is a target where Sanji can knock himself out from trying.
Considering her hyped durability it would be a real challenge for him to pull off an upgrade to even start damaging her.
That would be a far better challenge for him since that's where he lacks the most, firepower to damage tough things.
Sanji, even if he had the power, cannot damage Big Mom though due to his principle of not hurting women. Oda also answered in SBS that he had used attack against BM to negate her attack, hence he didn't violate his principle. He can only defend weaker members once or twice, he can basically have no contribution to the fight with Big Mom.

Plus, Jinbe and Sanji fighting against sword users and coming out victors would be better for them too. Harder the challenge, more you can grow.
 

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#55
Some of you guys are weird.

I feel that there's a faction among Zoro's fanbase that would rather Zoro be weaker, if in exchange they can have Sanji be that much weaker.

Like if they can pick between Zoro Yonko level and him being just a bit stronger than Sanji, and Zoro Cracker level but way stronger than Sanji, they would go for the option where Sanji is as weak as possible :milaugh:
What evidence are you seeing for this? I'm not seeing any. The Zoro fans that reject Zoro vs King believe in Zoro vs Kaido.
 
#56
The problem is all 3 Calamities are swordsmen, even for Jinbe that is a problem.
If plot takes away the swords, sure, it's doable.
It will most likely take away Napoleon from Big Mom so Luffy can fight her and no reason why Sanji cannot join that fight.

Big Mom is also less agile than Calamities and is a target where Sanji can knock himself out from trying.
Considering her hyped durability it would be a real challenge for him to pull off an upgrade to even start damaging her.
That would be a far better challenge for him since that's where he lacks the most, firepower to damage tough things.
Sanji doesnt hit women, Oda wont give him that fight, Sanjis inevitably going to be involved in a calamity fight at this point, especially if Zoro is going with Luffy to Kaido. I dont think the sanji firepower thing is a real issue......Oda can literally just make sanjis fire hotter to justify him damaging tough things. Fire is an extremely powerful element , it has the potential to be even hotter than magma if the temperature is hot enough.
 
#57
Funnily enough I that there is a part of the Sakho fan base who would rather have Sanji and Zoro fighting Who’s who and Sasaki than having Zoro fighting Kaido and Sanji fighting King. It seems to me that for them Sanji fighting King is only interesting if Zoro fight Queen or a lesser opponents.

Seems like the two fanbases how much more alike than some want to admit it:kayneshrug:

OT: people will those match up until the said match up happen and are finish:gokulaugh::kayneshrug::kayneshrug:
Oddballs everywhere :milaugh:

I for one think that Zoro fights King and goes on to do something against Kaido on top of that.

Sanji fights Queen and maybe has a Gates of Justice type moment afterwards that makes a big impact.

King and Queen make perfect sense as opponents for Zoro and Sanji, and as usual, Zoro get's to fight the slightly stronger opponent.

Zoro getting to play some sort of role against Kaido also makes a lot of sense. I don't think Kaido's going to die personally so i can't get behind the ZKK movement even if solely for that reason, but i do think Zoro will get to aim his sword at Kaido at some point and do some damage :cheers:
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What evidence are you seeing for this? I'm not seeing any. The Zoro fans that reject Zoro vs King believe in Zoro vs Kaido.
Wait, does anyone actually believe Zoro will solo Kaido and that's his Wano fight ? :milaugh:
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#58
Sanji, even if he had the power, cannot damage Big Mom though due to his principle of not hurting women. Oda also answered in SBS that he had used attack against BM to negate her attack, hence he didn't violate his principle. He can only defend weaker members once or twice, he can basically have no contribution to the fight with Big Mom.

Plus, Jinbe and Sanji fighting against sword users and coming out victors would be better for them too. Harder the challenge, more you can grow.
Sanji doesnt hit women, Oda wont give him that fight, Sanjis inevitably going to be involved in a calamity fight at this point, especially if Zoro is going with Luffy to Kaido. I dont think the sanji firepower thing is a real issue......Oda can literally just make sanjis fire hotter to justify him damaging tough things. Fire is an extremely powerful element , it has the potential to be even hotter than magma if the temperature is hot enough.
Too bad for Sanji in that case because I can see Jinbe and Franky dealing damage to Emperors, perhaps even Chopper, Nami and Brook.
If he would fight BM he would stand a chance to eventually pull something good enough to damage her but against Kaido the chances are far worse to the point of being basically 0.
 
#59
If Zoro and Sanji are going to fight a Calamity, then almost certaily not going to join against Kaido.

As for the match ups, it could go both ways. King and Queen are both swordsmen, with King appearing to be a kicking and fire specialist while Queen a wrestling specialist.

For now I'm leaning a bit more towards SvK and ZvQ taking in consideration their shown powers so far but the opposite match up is still very possible to happen too.
 
#60
Zoro won't have a full 1 vs 1 against King and then cut Kaido, it's too much.
Defeat an opponent that he shouldn't even be able to defeat (see Luffy vs Katakuri) after an extreme diff battle would be already too much.
The only way Zoro can fight King and Kaido is to defeat King alongside someone else (Sanji, Who's Who, Killer, ...).

And since for his supporters - who know him more than any other OP reader - Zoro can't fight a swordsman 2 vs 1, Zoro won't fight King :kayneshrug:

Perospero and Sanji vs King :shocking:



Sanji and Perospero vs King hype :funky:
 
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