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#41
Titan pointoooooo:finally::finally::finally:
Yooo exactly ha-ha-ha
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At least anything is better than for SH being useless/offscreened again, case that will totally turn plot into dogshit...
I'm serious right now, if SH wouldn't get not off screened fight, I'm dropping this manga for good.
SH would be too weak to survive events in the last arc...this would be too much for me, I dropped hell out amount of manga and anime even for much lighter things.
 
#42
It does not. Luffy got caught cause he was focused on P1. Ulti could hardly do a thing to Base Luffy. He can take her put easily with G3 or with base punches using ACOA.

G3 knocked P1 out.....
Stop.....theres no panel of P1 being Knocked out....... what is this trend of people saying characters are knocked out without actually seeing them knocked out? So Oda is off screening Knockouts now? Lmao.
 
#43
Nami is going to defeat Ulti whether you like it or not.

This is what people don't get, every oponnent Nami defeated was much stronger than she was.

I mean look at Khalifa, she was much, much, much stronger than Nami, Nami shouldn't have been able to defeat her but at the end of the day, she did it. Nami defeats her opponents by her brain, especially when Zous is going to help her in Wano ether way.
 
#44
Nami is going to defeat Ulti whether you like it or not.

This is what people don't get, every oponnent Nami defeated was much stronger than she was.

I mean look at Khalifa, she was much, much, much stronger than Nami, Nami shouldn't have been able to defeat her but at the end of the day, she did it. Nami defeats her opponents by her brain, especially when Zous is going to help her in Wano ether way.
I would say it will be Nami vs Black Maria...Maria is much more similar to Nami, case she is chilling somewhere when real fight have begin.
Ulti from other hand...maybe will be defeated by Yamato, or could be not defeated at all, for example she could fight against Carrot in Sulong, but than something could happen and their fight will be interupt. I'm not really sure about Ulti's future, but she didn't seemed like character on one arc, I feel we will see her in last arc. While Maria is exactly character that just will be defeated and than gone, like Dublfinger. Even now Maria is offscreened, while Ulti got a lot of screen time.
 

Uncle Van

Monké Don't Do Taxes
#45
Nami wasn't helpless against Brulle, she actually defeat her. Brule just all time caught her off guard, and attack from the ground was exactly like that. It's same thing to say that Apoo is stronger than Zoro case he made Zoro to run lul.
Nami beat Brulee 1v1 with no plot or assiantace? When?


Stop.....theres no panel of P1 being Knocked out....... what is this trend of people saying characters are knocked out without actually seeing them knocked out? So Oda is off screening Knockouts now? Lmao.
So all the time P1 stayed on ground as strategy or something?
 
#46
Nami beat Brulee 1v1 with no plot or assiantace? When?
Well, she manage to freed herself and attack Brule who immidiately retreat, which means that even Brulle knew that Nami is stronger. After a while Brulle made sneek attack and yes, she was success but than again one shotted by Nami.
But even fact that Brulee had to retreat after Nami attack, made Nami stronger overall. And that was Nami only in the begining of WCI, while now Nami is absolutely different character. I don't understand how you could downplay her(well, I knew that there a lot of haters of OP characters).
 

Uncle Van

Monké Don't Do Taxes
#47
Well, she manage to freed herself and attack Brule who immidiately retreat, which means that even Brulle knew that Nami is stronger. After a while Brulle made sneek attack and yes, she was success but than again one shotted by Nami.
But even fact that Brulee had to retreat after Nami attack, made Nami stronger overall. And that was Nami only in the begining of WCI, while now Nami is absolutely different character. I don't understand how you could downplay her(well, I knew that there a lot of haters of OP characters).
So your counter argument is that I'm a Nami hater? I'll make sure to agree with everything you say from now on so I won't be viewed as a sinful Nami downplayer.....

You dont even seem to get the point.....the mid and weakling trio has been portrayed helpless against guys like Oven, Daifuku, Vergo etc even up to WCI. That has been consistent since the start of timeskip and guys like Smoker, M3 etc. were required to stop them. If the mid or weakling trio are suddenly able to beat a Toppi Roppo 1v1 without power ups or plot, its inconsistent. Calling people haters isnt an argument just so you know.
 
#49
...the 6 weaker SHs can’t fight the Tobiroppo because Luffy wanted to use G4 on Ulti?
Luffy was easily handling Ulti and Page One without G4. Throwing Ulti over and smacking Page One. But since Ulti in her ancient Zoan form grabbed Luffy's arms and immobilized him, coupled with the fact that an ancient zoan is physically obviously stronger than base Luffy, there is nothing wrong to go into G4 to end things quickly. He uses that mode so casually that he can afford to use it against fodders (like when he used it on the beast pirate ships along with Kidd and Law).
 
#51
So your counter argument is that I'm a Nami hater? I'll make sure to agree with everything you say from now on so I won't be viewed as a sinful Nami downplayer.....

You dont even seem to get the point.....the mid and weakling trio has been portrayed helpless against guys like Oven, Daifuku, Vergo etc even up to WCI. That has been consistent since the start of timeskip and guys like Smoker, M3 etc. were required to stop them. If the mid or weakling trio are suddenly able to beat a Toppi Roppo 1v1 without power ups or plot, its inconsistent. Calling people haters isnt an argument just so you know.
I didn't call you hater, I just said that you downplayed SH character and that it. Your point is fair enough.And I agree that any SH except monstr-trio was portrayted as weak characters. But then again if they should became strong, there no time left, they just have became strong, case we can't move farther with weakling characters in plot. In those terms you really couldn't consideres any clashes with that critical perspective, you should at least look in what author wanted to show you. If you talk about Nami and Brule, Oda exactly seems like wanted to show that Nami grow for a liitle in every pages and did not show Brulle as too weak character, which he did well.. Like if you look on things that hapoened with her you could see next things: from scary cat that faiced Brulle and wasn't able to do something, she furstful manahe free herself(she never was able to do that earlier), next she faced YC and even if she was sceared she did what she able; next was enraged army, and even exousted, and knowing that it's hopeless battle Nami decided to fight; now we get Tea Party where Nami was showed able to act even facing Younko, and then using younko power against herself, which she wasn't able to do earlier, like in DressRosa. Now in that terms she became different. And that didn't change in Wano(segun attack, stealing from younko).So her character grow a lot, and self-confidience is most important thing whoever your opponent is. Nami use nature power, so it never depend on her streight, or haki. So if Oda decide that she has defeat veteran - that will be it, and for me that would be much better than going to last arc with weak characters.
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Any fight Nami has been in has her in the biggest plot armor ever created. Under no circumstances should any of her opponents lost...
I have one conterargument against your, tell me who will win if Nami was able to use her weapon against dubblefinger from the begining, without lottery shit.
Same thing with Kaliffa, who could win, if Nami knew about water weakness from the begining?
Oda just wanted to show bad time for Nami, that's all. Case he wanted Nami's opponents look stronger.
 
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#52
I would say Oda already foreshadowing the tag team partner for strawhats which is how they entered the stage. They shown glimpse of their tag team fight or cooperation. Nami and Carrot fight homies, Brook and Frankie taking Big Mom and Zeus, Usop and Chopper delayed Big Mom and Jinbei and Robin thrown Big Mom.

Nami & Carrot vs Ulti
Brook & Frankie vs Page One
Usop & Chopper vs Hawkins
Jinbei & Robin vs Black Maria ( it a waste Jinbei was too strong)
Drake vs WsW
Denjiro vs Sasaki
 
#54
...the 6 weaker SHs can’t fight the Tobiroppo because Luffy wanted to use G4 on Ulti? In this chapter, Luffy chose to use G4 on a Number, and Franky one shot a Number with Radical Beam last chapter. So does Luffy choosing to use G4 on an opponent objectively weaker than Franky by a good margin shut down the argument that Luffy wanting to use G4 on a F6 means that they’re too strong for the mid and weak trios?
It doesn't only shut down that argument, it literally shuts down the whole retarded presumption that Oda cares about balancing powerlevels more than the symbolic and character dynamic. The characters are as strong as he want them be.

Those who disagree mostly catched with OP in post timeskip when the weaker strawhats' growth rate have been neglected.
 
#55
...the 6 weaker SHs can’t fight the Tobiroppo because Luffy wanted to use G4 on Ulti? In this chapter, Luffy chose to use G4 on a Number, and Franky one shot a Number with Radical Beam last chapter. So does Luffy choosing to use G4 on an opponent objectively weaker than Franky by a good margin shut down the argument that Luffy wanting to use G4 on a F6 means that they’re too strong for the mid and weak trios?
Theres a huge difference between wanting to use Gear fourth and needing to use Gear fourth. Right now any of the weaker SH’s beating members of the glying six would be more of an ass pull then Sanji beating king and Sanji beating King is a gigantic ass pull in itself.
 
#56
Nami beat Brulee 1v1 with no plot or assiantace? When?




So all the time P1 stayed on ground as strategy or something?
What do you mean by "all the time" ? it was the end of the chapter, everything happened fast. Beginning of following chapter takes place like seconds after the previous one and Page One is fine.
 
#58
It doesn't only shut down that argument, it literally shuts down the whole retarded presumption that Oda cares about balancing powerlevels more than the symbolic and character dynamic. The characters are as strong as he want them be.

Those who disagree mostly catched with OP in post timeskip when the weaker strawhats' growth rate have been neglected.
Actually, it's like author fault, not readers. We now like watching WOW classic raid to UBRS with 20-30 lvls in raid, obviosly folks have problem with that. Another question why this is happening? Answer is lazy, bad writing of main SH chars. Why Oda used even panels on Bartolomeo and Kavendish, when he skipped 1x1 fight for most of SH, in a result people was thinking that we now don't need SH charsnow, case we got fleet commanders now. Well, now it is obviosly that even assumtion like that was stupid from the begining. One Piece is not Naruto or Dragon Ball, or Bleach. Like here crew play important role, case to travel on the sea you need navigation, medicine, shipwrighting skills, if you don't have that, then you can't travel the sea. While in Naruto and Dragon Ball you actually don't need crew to go threw story, even Sakura was useless in most time, and her healing skills didn't play important role for the story overall.
So now we have to deal consewuences of fact that in DressRosa arc most of crew didn't get any fight, and now are absolutely unprepared for Raid. But problem is that after this Raid guild leader plan to raiding Molten Core and Naxxramas. So we just need characters became much stronger right now, or farther plot and story will became absolute joke.
I absolutely hate previous chapter for how SH was dealing with BM. In WCI I hated how SH crew could threw back weakened BigMom. But at the very least there could be somewhat similar to logical explanation: Bm was weakened; SH used her weakness and her power against her; But in previous chapter SH wasn't even showed struggling against Younko, Robin was chilling... and that has no excuse, case she was useless against diamante, but now she dealed against character in 1000 times stronger like that, that plot convience and writing like that is absolute trash, if that is what Oda planned for last arc, I'm sure that I will drop that shit. That could be not justified. No way.
So yes, I feel like there's only two ways: making SH stronger, showing em struggling, but still became stronger, or just use that trash writing, when SH could became stronger in 100 times in sec, without reason. This is not gintama, and power lvl always was a thing here...so that would be absolute dogshit and trash writing.
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Theres a huge difference between wanting to use Gear fourth and needing to use Gear fourth. Right now any of the weaker SH’s beating members of the glying six would be more of an ass pull then Sanji beating king and Sanji beating King is a gigantic ass pull in itself.
Better that than ass pulling in last arc against enemies who are beyond flying six.
 
#59
Yes, this chapter shuts down the argument that Weaker 6 Straw Hats can't fight Tobi Roppo.

I would love for Chopper or Usopp to fight X-Drake. It's gonna be an awesome fight.



Obviously they can't take down Who's Who. I'd love for Brook to fight Who's Who.
 
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