Character Discussion Does Zoro's progress make sense?

[Luffy bin Dragon]

Kidd is a Luffy parallel abs Law’s unique abilities makes him viable. More or less, his corresponding role with Luffy as a leader of the alliance makes it more likable.

Kidd has no way of hurting him Zoro and Law do. If anything its more likely Kidd doesn't fight Zoro

 

[Cyrus the Cactus]

The same kidd that just asked killer if scrap metal was enough for kaido ? That one.

The same one who couldn’t take Apoo out with a sneak attack while Zoro could.

 

[zzShinichi]

The difference between Whitebeard and Ace's deaths and "Kaido being killed" is in Oda's interviews on how he feels about death in manga. Oda doesn't kill villains because it does nothing for the overall benefit of the Story. Whitebeard and Ace's death benefited the story as a whole, as does every flashback death he's ever done.

Kaido dying would be nothing but pure shock value and fanservice for a select group of fans. And the shock value would be greatly diminished due to it being what everyone is predicting would happen. Nobody predicted Whitebeard and Ace would die, because at the time it was unheard of, and Oda was able to capitalize off of that, and it worked. It was emotional for a lot of fans, and still is for some. It is something that left a lasting impression, while at the same time made complete sense as to why it had to be done.

There is none of that with Kaido dying, and has the exact opposite effect. A Villain finally gets their dream fulfilled? What the shit is this? What makes Kaido so special compared to all the other villains who came before him, who had their dreams crushed and they had to live with that, knowing they'll never achieve their dreams?

There is nothing being setup here that absolutely requires Kaido dying in order for the manga to have to move forward. It goes against Oda's principles, and mindset that people having to live with their failure, is a fate far worse than death. But nah, lets just go ahead and kill Kaido, because... Because.... Because REASONS!

So...so the same Oda who has been pushing the possibility of Kaidou's death ever since Zou will now dismiss the chance of killing Kaidou because it doesn't add anything to the story. All that statement about death from Kaidou, all the people who want him dead, all the statement that the War won't be over once he's dead, all will be in vain, all will amount to nothing, because OdA DoESn't LIkE To KiLL PeOpLe?

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A Villain finally gets their dream fulfilled? What the shit is this?

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

shouldnt kaido be able to burn that book with boro breath? unless of course he is restrained with kairoseki and if he has a df.

Well we've seen the book utilized in two different ways. One where a prison is created and the prisoners is nailed now, and the other where the creatures are trapped within the pages themselves, where they won't even age.

A space where even time is halted suggests that it exists in a different dimension. If Kaido is placed in the latter, then I can't see him burning his way out of it.

Will it be utilized or not? Who knows, but I have brought attention to the possibility of a prison capable of holding Kaido, which was one of the biggest arguments as to why Kaido must be killed, because there was no other alternative.

 

[Luffy bin Dragon]

Kidd ain't killing or defeating Kaido
Look what Ryuma says.

 

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The truth is that we don't know what Zoro power ceiling is. There's a reason why Oda is waiting to show the post-ts upgrade of Ashura.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

So...so the same Oda who has been pushing the possibility of Kaidou's death ever since Zou will now dismiss the chance of killing Kaidou because it doesn't add anything to the story. All that statement about death from Kaidou, all the people who want him dead, all the statement that the War won't be over once he's dead, all will be in vain, all will amount to nothing, because OdA DoESn't LIkE To KiLL PeOpLe?

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A Villain finally gets their dream fulfilled? What the shit is this?

He hasn't been pushing that agenda, the fans have. Kaido wanting to die, =/= he will die. The fans want to connect Zoro to Ryuma, so Zoro MUST slay a dragon like Ryuma did. That's also not how Oda does things. His characters forged their own paths and build their own legends. Zoro doesn't need to be a clone of the hero of Wano, for him to be recognized in the same light. What's next, he's going to stay behind and singlehandedly hold off all the Marines and Pirates who try to enter the now opened borders of Wano, while the rest of the Straw Hats continue their journey, and fulfill their dreams? Might as well go all out on the Ryuma clone, shouldn't we, cause god forbid Zoro does something unique to his own character. It's a load of horseshit. Zoro is not Ryuma, he is Zoro, and will create his own legend, not replicate the feats of another so his name reaches the heavens.

 

[LadyVados]

Kidd ain't killing or defeating Kaido
Look what Ryuma says.

Straight fax

 

[zzShinichi]

He hasn't been pushing that agenda, the fans have. Kaido wanting to die, =/= he will die. The fans want to connect Zoro to Ryuma, so Zoro MUST slay a dragon like Ryuma did. That's also not how Oda does things. His characters forged their own paths and build their own legends. Zoro doesn't need to be a clone of the hero of Wano, for him to be recognized in the same light. What's next, he's going to stay behind and singlehandedly hold off all the Marines and Pirates who try to enter the now opened borders of Wano, while the rest of the Straw Hats continue their journey, and fulfill their dreams? Might as well go all out on the Ryuma clone, shouldn't we, cause god forbid Zoro does something unique to his own character. It's a load of horseshit. Zoro is not Ryuma, he is Zoro, and will create his own legend, not replicate the feats of another so his name reaches the heavens.

Man you talk like you are Oda himself. I don't give a shit if Oda wants or doesn't want Kaidou to die. I'm saying that he's literally laying reasons for Kaidou to fucking die in the arc. We fans are not pulling our of our ass the reasons why Kaidou will die. We are fucking using evidences from the manga OP that Oda created as bases that supports the theory. So Kaidou's death will mean something, will have built-up, and will not fucking come out of nowhere and have no meaning like you fucking claim.

 

[HA001]

He hasn't been pushing that agenda, the fans have. Kaido wanting to die, =/= he will die. The fans want to connect Zoro to Ryuma, so Zoro MUST slay a dragon like Ryuma did. That's also not how Oda does things. His characters forged their own paths and build their own legends. Zoro doesn't need to be a clone of the hero of Wano, for him to be recognized in the same light. What's next, he's going to stay behind and singlehandedly hold off all the Marines and Pirates who try to enter the now opened borders of Wano, while the rest of the Straw Hats continue their journey, and fulfill their dreams? Might as well go all out on the Ryuma clone, shouldn't we, cause god forbid Zoro does something unique to his own character. It's a load of horseshit. Zoro is not Ryuma, he is Zoro, and will create his own legend, not replicate the feats of another so his name reaches the heavens.

So luffy wont be pirate king because roger did it and hes not roger.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Man you talk like you are Oda himself. I don't give a shit if Oda wants or doesn't want Kaidou to die. I'm saying that he's literally laying reasons for Kaidou to fucking die in the arc. We fans are not pulling our of our ass the reasons why Kaidou will die. We are fucking using evidences from the manga OP that Oda created as bases that supports the theory. So Kaidou's death will mean something, will have built-up, and will not fucking come out of nowhere and have no meaning like you fucking claim.

Lmao, there is no reason for him to HAVE to die, except that your head cannon tells you he needs to. Literally nothing gets accomplished by him dying, that can't be accomplished by him being defeated, and removed from Wano. No earth shattering event that brings about the second half of the story like Whitebeards death. No massive emotional impact on the fandom that will stick with us for years to come. Absolutely nothing that affects the One Piece world as a whole comes from him dying that can't come from him being defeated, and having his Empire destroyed.

 

[Gauntlet]

Im saying that's how plot work. We can bet on whether or not Sanji will fight a calamity 1v1, I know ill win that bet

That'll be only be thanks to his dad's suit that he made just for Sanji. Otherwise he'd still be high vet level, or YC4 at best.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

So luffy wont be pirate king because roger did it and hes not roger.

Didn't know becoming Pirate King was a feat....

 

[Luffy bin Dragon]

He hasn't been pushing that agenda, the fans have. Kaido wanting to die, =/= he will die. The fans want to connect Zoro to Ryuma, so Zoro MUST slay a dragon like Ryuma did. That's also not how Oda does things. His characters forged their own paths and build their own legends. Zoro doesn't need to be a clone of the hero of Wano, for him to be recognized in the same light. What's next, he's going to stay behind and singlehandedly hold off all the Marines and Pirates who try to enter the now opened borders of Wano, while the rest of the Straw Hats continue their journey, and fulfill their dreams? Might as well go all out on the Ryuma clone, shouldn't we, cause god forbid Zoro does something unique to his own character. It's a load of horseshit. Zoro is not Ryuma, he is Zoro, and will create his own legend, not replicate the feats of another so his name reaches the heavens.

Exactly also why do Coby and Luffy have to Sengoku and Roger Clones. They need to build their own legend why become an Admiral or PK

 

[HA001]

Didn't know becoming Pirate King was a feat....

Lmfao it is.

 

[zzShinichi]

Lmao, there is no reason for him to HAVE to die, except that your head cannon tells you he needs to. Literally nothing gets accomplished by him dying, that can't be accomplished by him being defeated, and removed from Wano. No earth shattering event that brings about the second half of the story like Whitebeards death. No massive emotional impact on the fandom that will stick with us for years to come. Absolutely nothing that affects the One Piece world as a whole comes from him dying that can't come from him being defeated, and having his Empire destroyed.

You think Kaidou will just haul his ass from Wano just because he's defeated? What guarantees that shit?
Mate, literally nothing i've stated so far is headcanon.
It's in the story that
+ Kaidou wants to die
+ Oden wanted him to die
+ Yasuie wanted him to die
+ The Scabbards wanted him to die
It's you who've been talking out of your ass and claim all this shits are not Oda's intention of leading up to Kaidou's death

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Exactly also why do Coby and Luffy have to Sengoku and Roger Clones. They need to build their own legend why become an Admiral or PK

Not the same at all. Nothing Luffy has done on his Journey to become Pirate King that replicates anything Roger did to become Pirate King. They are two different men, who are forging their own legends in different ways. Luffy's legend is going to be bigger than Rogers.

Zoro's legend on Wano should be bigger than Ryuma's. How does Zoro accomplish that, if he replicates the same exact thing Ryuma did?

 

[HA001]

Not the same at all. Nothing Luffy has done on his Journey to become Pirate King that replicates anything Roger did to become Pirate King. They are two different men, who are forging their own legends in different ways. Luffy's legend is going to be bigger than Rogers.

Zoro's legend on Wano should be bigger than Ryuma's. How does Zoro accomplish that, if he replicates the same exact thing Ryuma did?

Luffy only got the hat cause he said something roger did to shanks.

 

[bennbeckman]

That'll be only be thanks to his dad's suit that he made just for Sanji. Otherwise he'd still be high vet level, and YC4 at best.

I never said it wasnt due to that. That's how unjustifiable powerscaling works. With Sanji it makes no sense, im guessing it's why Oda gave him the suit.

It's also why I dont get why Oda has used Zoro as his trump card the whole time, he hasnt even gone near going all out so it's been impossible to tell how strong he is, which is annoying too

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Luffy only got the hat cause he said something roger did to shanks.

That's inherited Will. Like how Zoro got Shusui. Zoro needs to accomplish something Ryuma never did, or possibly undo something that Ryuma did.

Imagine if Zoro truly opened the borders of Wano by doing something so Grand it completely changes the Weather pattern surrounding the Country, making Wano a truly accessible Country. That's a feat befitting, surpassing Ryuma's legend. I don't know why you guys would settle for Zoro just living up to Ryuma's name, and not surpassing it.