Le Fishe Thread Doffy vs Fujitora

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Uncle Van

Monké Don't Do Taxes
Kata is a brick wall for them since his Future Sight and amazing Armament Haki isn't something they can bullshit their way through, they can't just say "well he beat Smoker high diff!" because they know damn well Kata would beat Smoker far easier than that.
Dont get your hopes up. Katakuri used to be a brick wall for Mingo that nobody dared to claim was on his level. They came up with YC1.5 just to avoid it. As you know, they just boosted the DR cast to say Mingo was Katakuri level or above. They gonna boost the entire Punk Hazard cast to YC3 level soon.
 
Dont get your hopes up. Katakuri used to be a brick wall for Mingo that nobody dared to claim was on his level. They came up with YC1.5 just to avoid it. As you know, they just boosted the DR cast to say Mingo was Katakuri level or above. They gonna boost the entire Punk Hazard cast to YC3 level soon.
Oda already does by giving Warlords high bounties and adding context to pre ts events like Rocky Port
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
He took Sanji's DJ to his face, twice. He easily struggled off Law's Countershock - one of his strongest attacks back then - broke Sanji's fibula with his non hardening leg. Before you say something, that isn't even Vergo's main fighting style, he's best at using his bamboo.

We can say G2 attacks won't do much to Vergo, he'll eat them quite easily. Sanji hits way harder with DJ and you can basically scale it like that: G3 >= Sanji's DJ (depends on the attack) > G2 (maybe bar Red Hawk).

Before Luffy received his next level Haki PUs, base Luffy really was weak af except great durability. Almost all of his enemies easily overpowered him. Heck, Luffy couldn't even best a single biscuit soldier. Katakuri mocked him and copying his strongest moves but stronger. Doflamingo straight up called G2 weak - he wouldn't have this reaction to Vergo's Oni Take.

So again, how do you see Vergo losing to this? Do you not think you're underrating Vergo too much or do you believe he has to be weaker than other opponents because he appeared earlier as a villain? This kind of thinking is flawed in One Piece because what Oda rather focuses at is how the characters are tied and related to the story and world. Vergo wasn't only a VA, he is one of the strongest while being secretly a spy - working for Doflamingo as his right hand man.

Furthermore, Zoro didn't take someone like Pica seriously at all - something which Zoro wouldn't do to Sanji either if he was seriously fighting him. Yet Vergo managed to break Sanji's strongest weapon - his legs. It's clear Vergo isn't an ordinary VA or vet level character. He's above that stuff.

People just need to pay extra attention to the story instead of making up bullshit powerscaling rules like "The next villain is stronger."
Heck, you guys don't like it when it's being used against Kaido and almost all other top tiers being paired against him, so keep the same energy for Doflamingo and especially Vergo because the latter was truly a freaking beast.
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Dont get your hopes up. Katakuri used to be a brick wall for Mingo that nobody dared to claim was on his level. They came up with YC1.5 just to avoid it. As you know, they just boosted the DR cast to say Mingo was Katakuri level or above. They gonna boost the entire Punk Hazard cast to YC3 level soon.
Doffy could slip into that level because they found ways to twist character's words and what not, the most popular examples being Kuzan supposedly saying he's stronger than Hancock instead of just saying he's done more as a pirate (yknow, given that he's collabed with an Emperor and rules the Underworld), and him saying the WG couldn't silence him no matter what which clearly means Imu possessed Warcury and teleported to Doffy only to fail because Doffy's a god tier.
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
You guys need to stop bringing up the Invincible Katakuri into these discussions when you get owned. He's one of the few characters out there with Vergo lvl super hardening ontop of awakening and FS. No one would argue against The Invincible in good faith.
 

Uncle Van

Monké Don't Do Taxes
Oda already does by giving Warlords high bounties and adding context to pre ts events like Rocky Port
Uh what? Imma need some context. Mingo got boosted to Katakuri level before any new bounties came about.

Doffy could slip into that level because they found ways to twist character's words and what not, the most popular examples being Kuzan supposedly saying he's stronger than Hancock instead of just saying he's done more as a pirate (yknow, given that he's collabed with an Emperor and rules the Underworld), and him saying the WG couldn't silence him no matter what which clearly means Imu possessed Warcury and teleported to Doffy only to fail because Doffy's a god tier.
And yet his best attacks got blocked by basic haki, with Mingo's own haki being on that level. With all the haki wank going on, you'd think Oda would give Mingo notable haki as well but he didn't. Oh well. We all know Mingo can break through BM's defenses because Law did it when he lost to Mingo.
 
Bounty scaling? Really?
Do you think Kidd > Loki then?
I know reading is hard, but can you repeat what is written in the narrator box?

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Uh what? Imma need some context. Mingo got boosted to Katakuri level before any new bounties came about.
and I'd argue those fans are right. Oda wants us to see the Warlords as bigger deals compared to the commanders.
 
I know reading is hard, but can you repeat what is written in the narrator box?
You really want to do this with me? I have a thousand more examples of characters with higher bounties being weaker than characters with lower bounties.
Why not just admit your argument was stupid and move on? Or do I have to bring up things like Mihawk having a lower bounty than Shanks and Blackbeard, Katakuri and Sanji having a lower bounty than Jinbe, Queen and King having a higher bounty than Katakuri, so on and so forth?
Uh what? Imma need some context. Mingo got boosted to Katakuri level before any new bounties came about.



And yet his best attacks got blocked by basic haki, with Mingo's own haki being on that level. With all the haki wank going on, you'd think Oda would give Mingo notable haki as well but he didn't. Oh well. We all know Mingo can break through BM's defenses because Law did it when he lost to Mingo.
Their feats are great in a vacuum, but they were ultimately overshadowed the second we saw Cracker summoning tens to hundreds of soldiers that can each eat an Elephant Gun for breakfast.
 
You really want to do this with me? I have a thousand more examples of characters with higher bounties being weaker than characters with lower bounties.
Why not just admit your argument was stupid and move on? Or do I have to bring up things like Mihawk having a lower bounty than Shanks
But when will you bring an example of a stronger character with a lower bounty than a weaker character?

But trolling aside, Mihawks bounty is proof that powerscaling is the biggest(not only but biggest) factor in bounties. Mihawks criminal actions pale in comparison to the Yonko,just compare Luffy, Buggy and Teach orchestrating an Impel down breakout, waging a war with the Marines, being bailed out by Shanks who stopped the head admiral in front of the world,while Mihawk worked for the government. Just compare all of the actions Shanks has done through the manga to Mihawk not doing much, and yet, Mihawk has a bounty near Shanks/Teach,being closer to Teach than his own *captain*

And Katakuri/crackers bounties are a terrible look for him, like it or not. We know that YC's get their bounties boosted from their captains, and Katakuris captain is known to wipe out entire countries for not paying her enough sweets. And yet, his bounty is still significantly lower then warlords who should have much less of a criminal record. Same with King/Queen who are globally infamous as "calamaities" and yet are lower then Croco/Boa
 

Uncle Van

Monké Don't Do Taxes
Their feats are great in a vacuum, but they were ultimately overshadowed the second we saw Cracker summoning tens to hundreds of soldiers that can each eat an Elephant Gun for breakfast.
There's a chance that Mingo got Mihawkd, but I don't really buy it seeing how Mingo was immediately used as a hype tool for Cracker and was outdone by him. I also don't buy that Mingo's physical stats were significantly nerfed cause of GK because not only is that a very rare thing aside from specific plot points like Arlong Park, Mingo was moving and taking blows better than before. No evidence there.
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
There's a chance that Mingo got Mihawkd, but I don't really buy it seeing how Mingo was immediately used as a hype tool for Cracker and was outdone by him. I also don't buy that Mingo's physical stats were significantly nerfed cause of GK because not only is that a very rare thing aside from specific plot points like Arlong Park, Mingo was moving and taking blows better than before. So evidence there.
Stay on topic, we're discussing Vergo.
 
blud thought he cooked
Thanks for cherrypicking lol. Do you also think King and Queen > Katakuri?
But when will you bring an example of a stronger character with a lower bounty than a weaker character?

But trolling aside, Mihawks bounty is proof that powerscaling is the biggest(not only but biggest) factor in bounties. Mihawks criminal actions pale in comparison to the Yonko,just compare Luffy, Buggy and Teach orchestrating an Impel down breakout, waging a war with the Marines, being bailed out by Shanks who stopped the head admiral in front of the world,while Mihawk worked for the government. Just compare all of the actions Shanks has done through the manga to Mihawk not doing much, and yet, Mihawk has a bounty near Shanks/Teach,being closer to Teach than his own *captain*

And Katakuri/crackers bounties are a terrible look for him, like it or not. We know that YC's get their bounties boosted from their captains, and Katakuris captain is known to wipe out entire countries for not paying her enough sweets. And yet, his bounty is still significantly lower then warlords who should have much less of a criminal record. Same with King/Queen who are globally infamous as "calamaities" and yet are lower then Croco/Boa
Yes, strength is a big factor in bounties, but at the same time you're not gonna sit here and tell me Queen > Katakuri because of his bounty
There's almost always more factors to them than just the character's strength.
 
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