Powers & Abilities Dream of the Impossible Power

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#1
Kitetsu unsheathed, you know what time it is. :finally:
Today's menu has something special, a glimpse at the unattainable Power, a hint of the fight of all fights!

>Everyone dreams about being Pirate King, nobody dreams about being WSS... Nobody cares about it...
By the end of this thread, you will understand why nobody dreams about becoming the strongest.

Throughout all the history, we have been introduced to only 3 characters who were referred to as Power/representing Power.
Those 3 characters are Kaido, Mihawk and Zoro. All 3 of them are spread among different generations.
Kaido belongs to the old generation, Mihawk to the current generation while the future is Zoro's.

According to Oda, with Wano wrapped up, we are at the core of the story now which is a clash of the current generation with the future one.
Wano has also signaled the end of the Old Generation, removing the last 2 relics of the old era, Kaido and Big Mom.
Every Emperor remaining, which is what the core of the story is about, does not belong to the old generation but to the current/future one.


Why have so few characters been declared as Power and why have even fewer dreamt about becoming the strongest?
We cannot answer this question at any point in time/any point in the story. We cant answer it now, we couldn't do it before Wano, we couldn't do it at the start of post-TS, we certainly were less qualified to answer it in pre-TS and certainly not at the beginning of this show either. The only true answer will come once the show ends.

That's a moment when we will have clarity and see what the peak of Power looks like and be like - Oh! That's why nobody dreams about it...

The majority of characters weren't intended to even be listed among Conquerors, even less of them have been blessed to learn CoC coating.
Those who were lucky have been stated to be >handful of the very strongest...
However, for the 2 remaining representatives of Power, the power of a handful of the very strongest is nothing but a stepping stone!

Take a second to understand that line.
The power that is the best thing the 1% will ever have is just a piece of a much greater puzzle for Zoro and Mihawk.
The road doesn't end with CoC coating for those two, it goes a lot further.

Zoro vs Mihawk

This is a fight that will show us Oda's peak of power, this is a fight with the longest build-up in the show.
Everything that we saw so far and everything we will see in the future is just a hype tool for the fight between the two strongest.

We cant look at Zoro vs Mihawk from the current perspective because this too has to be viewed from the point of the manga's ending.
Our understanding and expectations from this fight constantly evolve as we see the bar lifted higher and higher as time passes.

So, what can we expect from Zoro vs Mihawk? I would say that right now, it is truly unimaginable.
We cannot fathom this near-impossible level of Power. The only thing we can say for certain is that nothing else will come even close to it.

How to beat Zoro/Mihawk in a fight?

As it was said for the first representative of Power, if it is 1vs1 bet on Kaido. The same applies to Zoro and Mihawk.
It is not possible to beat them in a fair way in 1vs1 setting. Why? This has been explained several times due to SH's impossible dreams...
However, let's dive deeper into this from a combat perspective instead of a narrative.

The short answer is that they are simply too strong but let's take a look at the longer answer.
Who knows Mihawk's power best among all the characters? Only two characters come to mind, Zoro and Shanks.
As powerful as Zoro is right now, the last time he had a chance to fight Mihawk was during time-skip and back then he didn't have aCoC...

That leaves us with the man whose duels with Mihawk shook the Grand Line and engraved themselves in the memory of the great Whitebeard. Shanks is probably the only guy who knows of Mihawk's power but I am here to predict that even Shanks is clueless about Mihawk's true power. I think he will be one of the witnesses of the ultimate fight between Zoro and Mihawk and will let us know that Mihawk never took him seriously. This has been foreshadowed in pre-TS when Brook said the same about zRyuma when he saw him fight vs Zoro.


I have already figured out that Mihawk's haki is second to none as he has created the strongest weapon in the whole world.
All of his hakis will be revealed to be unmatched and haki is the thing that conquers everything.

On the other hand, let's analyze Zoro from the EOS perspective - What is he? A collection of the best possible things in combat.
Stronger weapons than Mihawk, stronger hakis than Mihawk, stronger combat style than Mihawk, stronger body than Mihawk, etc...
How do you beat a guy who is the best at literally everything? You just don't.

I will take a liberty here to guess Mihawk's ultimate ability as I have guessed Kizaru's ability long before it was revealed and nailed it!
I would say that Kizaru's abilities are inspired by Mihawk's and that he is a lite version of him.
And the fact that Kizaru's abilities weren't highlighted could be so Mihawk's style remains unrevealed until the right time comes.

While Kizaru's sword is that of light, Mihawk's sword is one of the night, the opposite.
The ability that I have predicted about Kizaru is multiplication, the cloning ability.
While I initially thought it would be harder to achieve, in a combination with Sacred Mirrors, ultimately the result's are the same - many Kizarus.

No, I don't think that will transfer onto Mihawk as well but I do think he will have the ability to multiply his sword.
While I have made a thread asking what is Shanks' manifestation of desire, we have never wondered what desire Mihawk manifested...

Where is this coming from, why the multiplication of the sword?

Well, simply because of Mihawk's 1-sword style is not capable of matching Zoro's superior sword styles.
This is the reason why I have initially placed Zoro above Mihawk already but I wasn't aware of the haki obstacle at that time.
However, what happens when Zoro removes the haki obstacle and makes his haki the strongest in the world? Is Mihawk getting 1-shotted?

Well, to prevent that, for at least a little while, Mihawk will be required to compete with Zoro at his strongest.
Ask yourselves - why does Demon God Asura exist? For what reason is it there?

Is it for Kaku's sake? Or PX-4's sake? Or Kaido's sake?
None of the above. The best always exists for a single reason - to be used against the best.

While Oda doesn't shy away from stalling Zoro through hard-to-cut obstacles, if we look at this from the perspective of the show's end, we know that such obstacles cannot keep Zoro in check as he is capable of cutting through everything at that point.
So, how do you trouble such Zoro?
We have seen a glimpse of this back in Enies Lobby, the only time that Zoro has been truly bested - through superior sword style.

That was the only time Zoro's Santoryu was truly pushed to its limit and wasn't enough and that's when the Demon God emerged.
And we know that a superior sword style also means more swords than Zoro - this is behind the idea of Mihawk's sword multiplication.

We know Mihawk's inspiration is the Impaler:

However, to make it different, he is not impaling from below but from above:


My conclusion is the following - Zoro's ultimate ability exists for one reason - to defeat Mihawk's ultimate ability.
And that gives us a glimpse at Mihawk's possible ultimate move.
While the cutting power in Demon God is awesome, that is NOT the point of that ability.

The true strength lies in the omnidirectional body, one that has no blind spots and can counter everything.
So, we have to ask ourselves, how does one create a worthy challenge for such a broken ability?
Yoru's own name could hint at this - What is a Night? The absence of light.
How do you summon night in the middle of the day? By multiplying Yoru so many times that it covers the sun!
An unmeasurable amount of Yorus coming at Zoro from all directions! A truly worthy challenger for Asura!

Enjoy the meal, you have been served.

For dessert, I leave you with even bigger news:
While the strongest people in the world require 1 Supreme-grade weapon to channel their power through it, Zoro, at his peak, needs 9 strongest weapons in the world!!! Do you understand now why nobody dares to dream of being the strongest?! :zosmug:

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#11
By the end of this thread, you will understand why nobody dreams about becoming the strongest.
Haven't read the post yet but I'd guess that no one dreams about it because it's futile; just like no one dreams about becoming the richest person in the world. Does that mea that no one cares about money? Of course not, it just means that they know that they stand absolutely no chance.
 
#12
Haven't read the post yet but I'd guess that no one dreams about it because it's futile; just like no one dreams about becoming the richest person in the world. Does that mea that no one cares about money? Of course not, it just means that they know that they stand absolutely no chance.
And those who know, realize that since they're not born with CoC, they didn't stand a chance.
 
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The idea is good but I don't think it would fit with the theme of 1 sword style fighter. Summoning so many Yorus would imo diminish what Yoru is recognised as, strongest along at the top, nothing like it, same as its master.

The way Asura is represented is what Mihawk actually is, he can perceive every attack and he can deflect any attack. The reason why he is scratchless so far. His swordsmanship has grace, swiftness and absolute power.

Oda can go two routes, either break Yoru and remove Mihawk from the story or break Hawk Eye and let Zoro land a hit past the defence and defeat Mihawk this way. An attack that could not be perceived or an attack that could not be blocked or deflected.
 
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I don't think Oda would create such Ability tbh, however the Answer was given to us with Zombie Ryuma
Why Brook never succeeded in catching up to his Zombie Version? It's cuz Ryuma was also growing Stronger all the time
He was Training as much as Brook if not more

Mihawk being Clairvoyant, Double-Layered Eyes which indicates Two Presence inside him similar to Cavendish/Hakuba, his Coffin/Death/Night/Dracula/Cross References ... etc suggests that Mihawk is present in both Life & Afterlife Simultaneously, hence why Zoro said "I'm gonna become King of Hell"

Another thing worth mentioning is that Zoro is a One-Eyed Pirate, in one of his Early Designs, He even had an Eye-Patch instead, and it's said that Real-Life Pirates used to close One Eye just to get it used to the Dark/Night, so that when They go to lower Levels of the Ship, They switch to the Eye accustomed to the Dark

Imo Mihawk's Second Side (His Hakuba Version) is Present in Afterlife & constantly growing Stronger, cuz He has Infinite Time to Train & Infinite People to Train with & learn from, hence why his Pet Animals are Monkeys who Copy others

So imo Mihawk We know is a Shanks who didn't lose his Arm, but his Second Side is Someone who represents Culmination of entire Sword Knowledge & Training & Experience who is like Centuries ahead of everyone, even if Shanks or Roger keep Training, They are gonna be similar to Brook & Mihawk gonna be their Zombie Ryuma, it's like facing Saitama who is revealed to always keep getting Stronger as needed to keep the distance between you & him unreachable

This is why beating Mihawk is considered an Impossible Task & One of SH's Ten Impossible Dreams, He himself is waiting for someone Stronger than Shanks, not because Yonko or Roger can't Match his Current Version & Potentially beat him, but They aren't that Strong enough to force him to reveal his True Ancient Side

So how do you beat such Huge Mountain? By using an Infinite Mountain
Zoro must achieve Power of Infinite Will
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#16
The idea is good but I don't think it would fit with the theme of 1 sword style fighter. Summoning so many Yorus would imo diminish what Yoru is recognised as, strongest along at the top, nothing like it, same as its master.

The way Asura is represented is what Mihawk actually is, he can perceive every attack and he can deflect any attack. The reason why he is scratchless so far. His swordsmanship has grace, swiftness and absolute power.

Oda can go two routes, either break Yoru and remove Mihawk from the story or break Hawk Eye and let Zoro land a hit past the defence and defeat Mihawk this way. An attack that could not be perceived or an attack that could not be blocked or deflected.
I understand your argument but Yoru's days as THE supreme weapon are limited.
Once Zoro's haki surpasses Mihawk's, he will forge 3 weapons that are stronger than Yoru.
And that point, Yoru no longer has the luxury it had all this time.

That's when Mihawk has to stop relying on the ultimate weapon and strongest haki and needs to show the ultimate technique.
Swinging a single sword really hard against a guy with 9 stronger swords and stronger haki will not bring him anywhere, IMO.
Though you could be right and Oda ends the fight with Yoru being cut instead of this multiplication ability but I hope that's not the case.

I don't think Oda would create such Ability tbh, however the Answer was given to us with Zombie Ryuma
Why Brook never succeeded in catching up to his Zombie Version? It's cuz Ryuma was also growing Stronger all the time
He was Training as much as Brook if not more

Mihawk being Clairvoyant, Double-Layered Eyes which indicates Two Presence inside him similar to Cavendish/Hakuba, his Coffin/Death/Night/Dracula/Cross References ... etc suggests that Mihawk is present in both Life & Afterlife Simultaneously, hence why Zoro said "I'm gonna become King of Hell"

Another thing worth mentioning is that Zoro is a One-Eyed Pirate, in one of his Early Designs, He even had an Eye-Patch instead, and it's said that Real-Life Pirates used to close One Eye just to get it used to the Dark/Night, so that when They go to lower Levels of the Ship, They switch to the Eye accustomed to the Dark

Imo Mihawk's Second Side (His Hakuba Version) is Present in Afterlife & constantly growing Stronger, cuz He has Infinite Time to Train & Infinite People to Train with & learn from, hence why his Pet Animals are Monkeys who Copy others

So imo Mihawk We know is a Shanks who didn't lose his Arm, but his Second Side is Someone who represents Culmination of entire Sword Knowledge & Training & Experience who is like Centuries ahead of everyone, even if Shanks or Roger keep Training, They are gonna be similar to Brook & Mihawk gonna be their Zombie Ryuma, it's like facing Saitama who is revealed to always keep getting Stronger as needed to keep the distance between you & him unreachable

This is why beating Mihawk is considered an Impossible Task & One of SH's Ten Impossible Dreams, He himself is waiting for someone Stronger than Shanks, not because Yonko or Roger can't Match his Current Version & Potentially beat him, but They aren't that Strong enough to force him to reveal his True Ancient Side

So how do you beat such Huge Mountain? By using an Infinite Mountain
Zoro must achieve Power of Infinite Will
I think, at some point, Demon God has to be truly challenged at what it is best at and it should be against Mihawk.
Once Zoro surpasses his haki and forges stronger weapons, Mihawk's Ittoryu style will be heavily outmatched.
For an ability like Demon God to be pushed to the limits, I think an omnidirectional attack like nothing we saw before is needed.

For Mihawk's boredom to be killed, he has to be pushed to reveal a technique he probably never used before.
And the only way to seriously challenge 9-sword style is through a larger number of swords, IMO.
Of course, it will ultimately fail as Zoro is created to be the true peak of Power but Mihawk needs an ultimate technique worthy of Asura.

I don't know exactly how he would pull this off, whether through some racial ability or first-timer manifestation of desire or something else... He is based on Dracula and in many works, Dracula can lose his humanoid body and turn into many bats... What if that is how he achieves this? Turns his own body in countless Yorus and swarms Zoro from all sides...

I understand your take on Mihawk's source of power but I am trying to guess what his ultimate attack will look like.
 
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I think, at some point, Demon God has to be truly challenged at what it is best at and it should be against Mihawk.
Once Zoro surpasses his haki and forges stronger weapons, Mihawk's Ittoryu style will be heavily outmatched.
For an ability like Demon God to be pushed to the limits, I think an omnidirectional attack like nothing we saw before is needed.

For Mihawk's boredom to be killed, he has to be pushed to reveal a technique he probably never used before.
And the only way to seriously challenge 9-sword style is through a larger number of swords, IMO.
Of course, it will ultimately fail as Zoro is created to be the true peak of Power but Mihawk needs an ultimate technique worthy of Asura.

I don't know exactly how he would pull this off, whether through some racial ability or first-timer manifestation of desire or something else... He is based on Dracula and in many works, Dracula can lose his humanoid body and turn into many bats... What if that is how he achieves this? Turns his own body in countless Yorus and swarms Zoro from all sides...

I understand your take on Mihawk's source of power but I am trying to guess what his ultimate attack will look like.
Fighting Styles in One Piece all work the Same

Characters have a Signature Attack, Gatling/Repeatedly Executed Version of it, Ultimate Version of it and an Ultimate Form
The Rest are just Variations of these (Regardless if They are Enhanced Versions, Combos or just Different Execution/Application), and these Attacks have a Scaling

Take Enel for example, his Fighting Style Scales with Volts, from 1M to 200M, his Signature Attack is El Thor, his Gatling Version of it is Mamaragan and his Ultimate Attack is Raigo, then his Ultimate Form where his Body stays at Max Power is called Amaru, the Rest are just Variations of these Abilities

The same thing for all other Characters (The ones who Mastered their Fighting Styles ofc)
When Someone shows their Signature Attack, it doesn't mean that it's Power is Fixed, there is a Large Scaling that applies to it
For example, Kuma's Signature Attack is Ursus Shock but He can choose how much Power to put in it, Jinbe's Signature Attack is Vagabond Drill but it scales with how much Water He uses, Crocodile's Signature Attack is Sables & it scales with how much Sand He wants to Unleash ... etc just like Enel who can either Attack you with 1M Volt or 200M Volt

99% of a Character's Fightning Style is about unleashing Variations of that same Technique, regardless of how it looks like & depends on Situation, but when They want to Unleash their Full Power, they either Unleash a Gatling Version of that Technique or a One Hit Finisher using their Maximum Power or They turn into a Form where They are Passively at their Limits (Kaidou's Weapon-Based Fighting Style for example is all about Variations of Thunder Bagua & at the End of his Fight with Luffy, He used Gatling Version of it & also used it at Max Power)

Zoro's Signature Attack is Oni Giri and it Scales from No Sword Style Hakiless Oni Giri to Three-Sword Dragon Style King of Hell Rengoku Oni Giri, his Gatling Version of it is Daibutsu Giri (Which We haven't seen it's Post-TS Version yet) and his Ultimate One-Hit Finisher is Sanzen Sekai, Asura is simply his Amaru Version where Zoro takes a Form where He is Passively at his Limits, where even a Basic Attack from it it Equivalent to his Ultimate Attack (Sanzen Sekai), just like Enel's Amaru is always at Max 200M Volt

This is why Zoro becomes a Trion Demon, it's same principle as Sanzen Sekai, meaning his Power becomes Passively in the Power of Three.
So to know Mihawk's or any other Character's Limits, We simply need to Witness their Signature Attack, discover what it Scales with, after that We imagine it as Max Power, and then We imagine them taking a Form where They are Passively at that Max Power, just like Kaidou's Dragon Fighting Style, his Signature Attack is Blast Breath, what was his Ultimate Form? Completely Covered in those Flames making just touching him the Equivalent of getting hit by Max Charged Blast Breath

So Shanks Ultimate Form for example is where just touching or clashing with him becomes Equivalent of getting Hit by Max Charged Divine Departure, Kizaru's Ultimate Form is where just touching him is equivalent to geting Hit by Max Power Yasakani No Magatama ... etc

Mihawk's Ultimate Attack or Form cannot be Multiple Swords cuz his Fighting Style doesn't Scale with Number of Swords.
I can't really imagine how his Full Power looks like until We witness his Signature Attack, his Sword-Style is actually so Mysterious that it's even hard to guess, which is One of reasons i keep Hyping him

And Oda already created a Character who Scales with Number of Blades & that is Daz Bonez, Oda isn't gonna re-use that same Idea imo.
Mihawk Scaling is probably related to "Night", whatever it means
 
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