Powers & Abilities Dressrosa Refresher: Where Straw Hats stand power wise since they last fought
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This I can agree with, but these weird, off base type power level discussions throw it off. Sanjikuns intention here is to support his near baseless argument that the Strawhats can't grow in Wano to a point where they fight BMs stronger children or the Tobi Roppo or the fact that Oda makes his characters grow how or whenever he wants, its silly.
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Yes, there is. Vergo > Sanji, and Zoro told Pica he's not close to his level. He wouldn't say that to Sanji, who is his perenial rival. The guy practically mid diffed Pica.
This tells me you didn't read the post and are just bullshitting. I specifically mentioned those grades don't mean anything other than comparing the characters to one another.
Saying if Trebol or Diamante are a "B", Kyros would be a "B+" is perfectly logical. If you weren't a salty fanboy, you'd see that.
Because Robin herself said it was for matchup reasons. Stop bullshitting and wanking Robin. She is not Cavendish's level.
Sai, Bartolomeo and Cavendish are above the Monster Trio.
This tells me you didn't read the post and are just bullshitting. I specifically mentioned those grades don't mean anything other than comparing the characters to one another.
Saying if Trebol or Diamante are a "B", Kyros would be a "B+" is perfectly logical. If you weren't a salty fanboy, you'd see that.
Because Robin herself said it was for matchup reasons. Stop bullshitting and wanking Robin. She is not Cavendish's level.
Sai, Bartolomeo and Cavendish are above the Monster Trio.
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Yes, I have proof. You have wanking:
Usopp vs. Trebol
Franky had to use Shogun Franky, and still couldn't take down Baby 5 and Buffalo by himself
Kyros fodderized them without missing a beat
If you can't see the difference in level between Doffy's seats and Mid/Weak Trio, I can't help you. Sai had to use tough CoA just to beat Lao G. Does the Mid-Trio have anything like this:
Oda hasn't even shown Sanji with this crap yet.
Usopp vs. Trebol
Franky had to use Shogun Franky, and still couldn't take down Baby 5 and Buffalo by himself
Kyros fodderized them without missing a beat
If you can't see the difference in level between Doffy's seats and Mid/Weak Trio, I can't help you. Sai had to use tough CoA just to beat Lao G. Does the Mid-Trio have anything like this:
Oda hasn't even shown Sanji with this crap yet.
The whole point is that sanji was nerfed in the encounter against vergo and he had vergo on the defensive most of the time throwing verges into walls and etc. he said vergo is difficult but when vergo runs off he doesn't chase him as he is more interested in saving taishigi and co. The problem is you can't compare the levels of pica and vergo as there isn't enough scale. Pica has pretty awesome feats which vergo didn't manage to do in punk hazard because of the different setting. Zoro was only able to beat pica as easily as he did because of his cutting damage whereas sanjie main form of damage is striking and blunt force which would have made a dent but not in the same way zoro did against pica. Also the fight between sanji and vergo wasn't concluded. Sanji in peak condition using his all could potentially mid diff him but Oda did not finish the fight. Letting Law off him. At no point is it stated that any of the 4 family leaders vergo being the ex heart seat is stronger or weaker than another. Trebol basically displayed some hax abilities. Diamante was more than willing to fight luffy barto and rebecca at the same time.
All these insinuations and insights are head canon and although enjoyable at the end of the day there is no way to prove right or wrong.
Bartolomeo is ridiculous in terms of pure defence in theory the only more powerful defence might be Jozus so in certain situations which is what oda likes to emphasize in his writing he is probably better suited to achieving certain tasks than luffy such as containing gladius blast, blocking the king punch or fujitoras rubble.
However Robin's ability is hax as well if she can see someone she can choke them or stab them.
Portrayal wise in the grand fleet cavendish and Bartolomeo are presented as much stronger than the rest of the fleet. Sai and ideo being on a similar level in the Coliseum.
Cavendish hakuba has a massive drawback like gear four it doesn't last long or he can't control it for long. There is no evidence that base robin wouldn't be able to lock him until he fell asleep as she has already shown the ability to catch him. Also Robin is shown to be quite intelligent so I don't see her screwing up fights like luffy by charging in headfirst and the opponent easily getting one over on her. Cavendish maybe stronger in attack power but I doubt that would stop it from being a high diff fight. Robin literally tanked with her df powers spiked cannonballs and deflected diamantes (the person who trained law in swordsmanship) blade. She also hasn't had a fight since skypeia where she has had to go all out. She is probably the top of the mid strawhat trio.
Cavendish and Bartolomeo are probably not stronger than the monster trio. They might be on the level of some supernovas but not luffy or zoro or jinbe and by that logic probably not sanji. That said we haven't seen Cavendish go all out but we have seen hakuba go all out in the ring and taking out dellinger.
All these insinuations and insights are head canon and although enjoyable at the end of the day there is no way to prove right or wrong.
Bartolomeo is ridiculous in terms of pure defence in theory the only more powerful defence might be Jozus so in certain situations which is what oda likes to emphasize in his writing he is probably better suited to achieving certain tasks than luffy such as containing gladius blast, blocking the king punch or fujitoras rubble.
However Robin's ability is hax as well if she can see someone she can choke them or stab them.
Portrayal wise in the grand fleet cavendish and Bartolomeo are presented as much stronger than the rest of the fleet. Sai and ideo being on a similar level in the Coliseum.
Cavendish hakuba has a massive drawback like gear four it doesn't last long or he can't control it for long. There is no evidence that base robin wouldn't be able to lock him until he fell asleep as she has already shown the ability to catch him. Also Robin is shown to be quite intelligent so I don't see her screwing up fights like luffy by charging in headfirst and the opponent easily getting one over on her. Cavendish maybe stronger in attack power but I doubt that would stop it from being a high diff fight. Robin literally tanked with her df powers spiked cannonballs and deflected diamantes (the person who trained law in swordsmanship) blade. She also hasn't had a fight since skypeia where she has had to go all out. She is probably the top of the mid strawhat trio.
Cavendish and Bartolomeo are probably not stronger than the monster trio. They might be on the level of some supernovas but not luffy or zoro or jinbe and by that logic probably not sanji. That said we haven't seen Cavendish go all out but we have seen hakuba go all out in the ring and taking out dellinger.
Kyros got a quick attack in against 1 of them whereas 2 of them were against franky and were losing. Nami also took out buffalo if you are comparing.
Edit. Kyros only fights both in the anime. He doesn't fight baby 5 in the manga. Also most of the strawhats screw around before they get serious whilst kyros was serious from the get go and decapitated doffy's clone immediately before this. Doffy's clone that managed to subsequently injure luffy.
Edit. Kyros only fights both in the anime. He doesn't fight baby 5 in the manga. Also most of the strawhats screw around before they get serious whilst kyros was serious from the get go and decapitated doffy's clone immediately before this. Doffy's clone that managed to subsequently injure luffy.
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Dressrosa:
(A+): Vergo, Pica /Veteran level
(A): Diamante, Trébol, Kyros, Cavendish, Don Sai, Bartolomeo
(A-): Franky, Robin, Brook, Monster point Chopper
(B+): Lao G, Machvise, Senor Pink, Dellinger, Gladius, Nami, Usopp
(B-): Baby5, Buffalo
Currently:
(A+): Drake / Snack / Urouge
(A): Perosperos / Who's Who / Sasaki
(A-): Daifuku / Oven / Compote / Black Maria / Pageone / Ulti
(B): Zeus Nami
(B-): Diamante / Trébol / Kyros / Cavendish / Don Sai / Bartolomeo / Franky / Robin / Brook / Monster Point Chopper / CoO Usopp
Post Wano:
(A+): Drake / Snack / Urouge / Brook / Franky
(A): Perosperos / Who's Who / Sasaki / Robin / Chopper / Zeus Nami / Usopp
(A-): Daifuku / Oven / Compote / Black Maria / Pageone / Ulti
(A+): Vergo, Pica /Veteran level
(A): Diamante, Trébol, Kyros, Cavendish, Don Sai, Bartolomeo
(A-): Franky, Robin, Brook, Monster point Chopper
(B+): Lao G, Machvise, Senor Pink, Dellinger, Gladius, Nami, Usopp
(B-): Baby5, Buffalo
Currently:
(A+): Drake / Snack / Urouge
(A): Perosperos / Who's Who / Sasaki
(A-): Daifuku / Oven / Compote / Black Maria / Pageone / Ulti
(B): Zeus Nami
(B-): Diamante / Trébol / Kyros / Cavendish / Don Sai / Bartolomeo / Franky / Robin / Brook / Monster Point Chopper / CoO Usopp
Post Wano:
(A+): Drake / Snack / Urouge / Brook / Franky
(A): Perosperos / Who's Who / Sasaki / Robin / Chopper / Zeus Nami / Usopp
(A-): Daifuku / Oven / Compote / Black Maria / Pageone / Ulti
Dude how are you putting Usopp or Franky on the same level as Don Sai? Don Sai surpassed Chinjao.
THIS Chinjao...
I specifically made this thread, because people wank the SHs. They are not on the level of Sai/Barto/Cavendish. Barto has a Devil Fruit that even Yonko level Oden himself could not break down.
Even THIS Oden could not break down the barrier
THIS Chinjao...
I specifically made this thread, because people wank the SHs. They are not on the level of Sai/Barto/Cavendish. Barto has a Devil Fruit that even Yonko level Oden himself could not break down.
Even THIS Oden could not break down the barrier
look man, isnt Strongest after Commanders supposed to be around 700M bounty ? since the lowest calamity here has 1B bounty
The guys you are comparing with Strongests of Kaido were mere around 300M bounty worth and they were the 4 top of Doflamingo .....
The executives below them were all lower (Chinjao at his Prime was 500M and his old self was already Beaten by Luffy before facing enemies)....
Normal rank Pirate guys in BMP had 300M and above like Pekoms and the TeaPot having 400M+... if we are comparing then The TeaPot guy could likely beat any of the Strongest Flamingo Pirates no problem (Barring Flamingo himself, although Flamingo was dead meat if faced Cracker according to BM....)
unless TobiRoppo arent strongest after Calamities there should not even be any comparison between Flamingos and them
The guys you are comparing with Strongests of Kaido were mere around 300M bounty worth and they were the 4 top of Doflamingo .....
The executives below them were all lower (Chinjao at his Prime was 500M and his old self was already Beaten by Luffy before facing enemies)....
Normal rank Pirate guys in BMP had 300M and above like Pekoms and the TeaPot having 400M+... if we are comparing then The TeaPot guy could likely beat any of the Strongest Flamingo Pirates no problem (Barring Flamingo himself, although Flamingo was dead meat if faced Cracker according to BM....)
unless TobiRoppo arent strongest after Calamities there should not even be any comparison between Flamingos and them
look man, isnt Strongest after Commanders supposed to be around 700M bounty ? since the lowest calamity here has 1B bounty
The guys you are comparing with Strongests of Kaido were mere around 300M bounty worth and they were the 4 top of Doflamingo .....
The executives below them were all lower (Chinjao at his Prime was 500M and his old self was already Beaten by Luffy before facing enemies)....
Normal rank Pirate guys in BMP had 300M and above like Pekoms and the TeaPot having 400M+... if we are comparing then The TeaPot guy could likely beat any of the Strongest Flamingo Pirates no problem....
unless TobiRoppo arent strongest after Calamities there should not even be any comparison between Flamingos and them
The guys you are comparing with Strongests of Kaido were mere around 300M bounty worth and they were the 4 top of Doflamingo .....
The executives below them were all lower (Chinjao at his Prime was 500M and his old self was already Beaten by Luffy before facing enemies)....
Normal rank Pirate guys in BMP had 300M and above like Pekoms and the TeaPot having 400M+... if we are comparing then The TeaPot guy could likely beat any of the Strongest Flamingo Pirates no problem....
unless TobiRoppo arent strongest after Calamities there should not even be any comparison between Flamingos and them
Dude how are you putting Usopp or Franky on the same level as Don Sai? Don Sai surpassed Chinjao.
THIS Chinjao...
I specifically made this thread, because people wank the SHs. They are not on the level of Sai/Barto/Cavendish. Barto has a Devil Fruit that even Yonko level Oden himself could not break down.
Even THIS Oden could not break down the barrier
THIS Chinjao...
I specifically made this thread, because people wank the SHs. They are not on the level of Sai/Barto/Cavendish. Barto has a Devil Fruit that even Yonko level Oden himself could not break down.
Even THIS Oden could not break down the barrier
Are you talking about that pathetic Don Sai?
Current Zeus Nami can neg diff him lol
Remember that mugiwaras are stronger in onigashima, they are superior to their respective versions of Dressrosa
Are you talking about that pathetic Don Sai?
Current Zeus Nami can neg diff him lol
Remember that mugiwaras are stronger in onigashima, they are superior to their respective versions of Dressrosa
If you read Dressrosa, Don Sai UNLOCKED his "potential" after the Colosseum, and that was when he beat Lao G.
Read the thread. I am taking into account their new powerups.
since we are ranking them based on strength then shouldn't we rank them top to low and then compare with TobbiRoppo.. after Top 3 we had 700M bounty Lickity lick there, we ha 600M Faceless guy, we had TeaPot guy 400M+, we Had Pekoms, we had Jinbe 400M+, we had bege...likely many others there, if Oven and Daifuku are actually stronger than the ones mentioned then that automatically means their worth is much more than what they have because of not being much active while as we saw Zoro got only 320M after beating TopExecutive Pica.. so that is their real worth around 300M for Top executives
Your panels make no sense. He blocked Baby 5's kick, and? What does that have to do with his level? And I don't have to tell you base Luffy is not even comparable to the Mid Trio. Dude lasted against Katakuri for 12 hours. He was drawing blood out of Doffy
If you read Dressrosa, Don Sai UNLOCKED his "potential" after the Colosseum, and that was when he beat Lao G.
Read the thread. I am taking into account their new powerups.
If you read Dressrosa, Don Sai UNLOCKED his "potential" after the Colosseum, and that was when he beat Lao G.
Read the thread. I am taking into account their new powerups.