Speculations Elbaf is a physical, Lunarian "God" ruling over Giants.
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I'm not making any exceptions. We saw Marineford already. There is no pointing hiding it.
You are the one who have to prove "This place we visited before and then changed so Oda is keeping it on secret because we will visit it later".
Let's not forget that you heavily messed up on Mariejoia. It is more confirmed to go there than to go to Laugh Tale.
You are the one who have to prove "This place we visited before and then changed so Oda is keeping it on secret because we will visit it later".
Let's not forget that you heavily messed up on Mariejoia. It is more confirmed to go there than to go to Laugh Tale.
Its not the same island and he hid New Marineford for 300 chapters, only showing the top of it repeatedly.
I literally proved this to you four posts ago. Oda is still hiding Elbaf, here are 5+ examples of him hiding Elbaf since Chapter 860:
No i did not "heavily mess up on Mariejois" because you actually did not read my comments highlighting the difference between Elbaf and Mariejois.
- Firstly, there is nothing directly stating we are going to Mariejois, unlike Elbaf. So saying it is "more guaranteed than laugh tale" is just pure dumbass logic
- Elbaf is heavily silhouetted. Mariejois is not. Again, we have confirmation we are going to Elbaf next (or the next 2 islands, who gives a fuck, dont strawman the argument)
- The only thing I stated about Mariejois is that Oda never directedly revealed it FROM THE FRONT. If you want me to end this argument, he already revealed the region completely and introduced it, which he has NOT DONE for Elbaf. This is how he shows Pangea Castle:
You quite literally cannot say the same for Elbaf. And no, there is nothing hard stating we are going to Mariejois. Imu for all we know may just hop on his magical flying island weapon and come to Laugh Tale.
I literally proved this to you four posts ago. Oda is still hiding Elbaf, here are 5+ examples of him hiding Elbaf since Chapter 860:
Because quite literally didnt start the trend until Skypiea. When he introduced islands prior, they were single page "Don" panels. Example:
Think with your brain.
Dum dum, Banaro was never hidden behind a fucking silhoutte. Literally every time Elbaf is shown:
Literally compare to how he treated Banaro or Sphinx or Fullalead.
You cannot be this dense lmao
Think with your brain.
Dum dum, Banaro was never hidden behind a fucking silhoutte. Literally every time Elbaf is shown:
Literally compare to how he treated Banaro or Sphinx or Fullalead.
You cannot be this dense lmao
- Firstly, there is nothing directly stating we are going to Mariejois, unlike Elbaf. So saying it is "more guaranteed than laugh tale" is just pure dumbass logic
- Elbaf is heavily silhouetted. Mariejois is not. Again, we have confirmation we are going to Elbaf next (or the next 2 islands, who gives a fuck, dont strawman the argument)
- The only thing I stated about Mariejois is that Oda never directedly revealed it FROM THE FRONT. If you want me to end this argument, he already revealed the region completely and introduced it, which he has NOT DONE for Elbaf. This is how he shows Pangea Castle:
You quite literally cannot say the same for Elbaf. And no, there is nothing hard stating we are going to Mariejois. Imu for all we know may just hop on his magical flying island weapon and come to Laugh Tale.
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For the record, I like the theory; it's plausable, I just don't like Oda's boss arc formula.
Befriends royal (Vivi) - Oh no, a bomb's going to destroy the plaza
Befriends royal (Shirahoshi) - Oh no, Noah's going to destroy the plaza
Befriends royal (Rebecca) - Oh no, the birdcage will destroy dressrosa
Befrends royal (Momonosuke) - Oh no, Onigashima will drop on the capital
On Elbaf
Befrends royal (Vali) - Oh no, Lunarian Elbaf will is burning Yggdrasil
We don't need another 3 years of that.
One Piece needs to end.
Befriends royal (Vivi) - Oh no, a bomb's going to destroy the plaza
Befriends royal (Shirahoshi) - Oh no, Noah's going to destroy the plaza
Befriends royal (Rebecca) - Oh no, the birdcage will destroy dressrosa
Befrends royal (Momonosuke) - Oh no, Onigashima will drop on the capital
On Elbaf
Befrends royal (Vali) - Oh no, Lunarian Elbaf will is burning Yggdrasil
We don't need another 3 years of that.
One Piece needs to end.
it was the original plan for the character that became usopp to be an official vice captain iirc. as it is now, its a running gag in the series that started when they first recruited usopp. he says to luffy "alright, but if you ever cant fulfill your duties as captain, i'm taking over" or something, and luffy agrees. then in alabasta usopp is thinking to himself like "as the vice-captain, i have to do something here!!"
i also see the fight between usopp and luffy as a genuine vice captain vs captain conflict. luffy has been in physical conflicts with all of the east blue crew (even though nami's are usually played as gags) but they were all for different reasons. nami beating him up is always a joke, vs zoro it was a mistake, vs sanji it was a personal and internal conflict, but vs usopp they are literally fighting over how to treat a crewmate and what the future direction of the straw hat pirates should be. usopp is the only one who recognizes that the merry has a soul and his care for her and insistence on leaving the crew and taking up a false identity all so the merry could have one final repair ends up being the only reason they all survived enies lobby in the end.
it hasn't been brought up all that much since but to me its still canon and i hope eventually usopp will actually get named VC by luffy for something in elbaf. i fully expect them to arrive and there's already a giant statue of Usopp there because he has such a reputation among the giants already.
i also see the fight between usopp and luffy as a genuine vice captain vs captain conflict. luffy has been in physical conflicts with all of the east blue crew (even though nami's are usually played as gags) but they were all for different reasons. nami beating him up is always a joke, vs zoro it was a mistake, vs sanji it was a personal and internal conflict, but vs usopp they are literally fighting over how to treat a crewmate and what the future direction of the straw hat pirates should be. usopp is the only one who recognizes that the merry has a soul and his care for her and insistence on leaving the crew and taking up a false identity all so the merry could have one final repair ends up being the only reason they all survived enies lobby in the end.
it hasn't been brought up all that much since but to me its still canon and i hope eventually usopp will actually get named VC by luffy for something in elbaf. i fully expect them to arrive and there's already a giant statue of Usopp there because he has such a reputation among the giants already.
I getcha lol. I unfortunately and not a believer in Oda getting to end asap though.
Silver lining is I do expect this to be the last "Kingdom" structure type arc if that makes any sense. Seems he does one virtually every saga with some exceptions (Alabasta, Skypiea, Water 7, Fishman Island, Dressrosa, Wano). So I can see Elbaf fitting the bill as some partially isolated arc but after that we just straight shot into the endgame.
Silver lining is I do expect this to be the last "Kingdom" structure type arc if that makes any sense. Seems he does one virtually every saga with some exceptions (Alabasta, Skypiea, Water 7, Fishman Island, Dressrosa, Wano). So I can see Elbaf fitting the bill as some partially isolated arc but after that we just straight shot into the endgame.
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Is the same institution just in a different place. There is no big deal showing or not Marineford. And again based on your logic we are not going there since we already saw it...
You can't be this dumb.
I'm talking about your Marineford fallacy. We visited old Marineford but now it is a new location and Oda is hiding because we are going to visit it. When something like that happened in the past?
You compare Mariejoia with Elbaf than puts Laugh Tale and the conclusion and talks about my logic?
We just got a directly statement of going to Elbaf now on chapter 1090 and people are saying this shit way before. And we did got the statement of going to Mariejoia back at 1060 when Luffy learns about Vivi being kidnapped while Zoro said it is the den of the enemy. So yes it is more confirmed than going to Laugh Tale since we don't know if he has to go there to become King of Pirates but he has to go to Mariejoia to fullfill JoyBoy mission.
Yes. People were sure that we would have Elbaf now but here we are at Egghead. Now again people are sure about Elbaf being next but... Who knows? Why Oda hitting so early the next location? When he did that and actually worked? At Sabaody they wanted to go to Fishmen Island right? 3 days waiting? Then we got the whole Marineford Saga and timeskip before it. Elbaf has better chances of happening now than before since they said they wanted to go there. But let's see if it happens or not.
Again he only shows location on the front as you want when we are going there. All the front locations, doublespreads, he showed were island we (Mugiwaras) were visiting at the moment.
We already saw Elbaf by Big Mom's flashback. You don't have this argument to support your flawed logic. You say that we only know Elbaf by silhouettes. But why? Just because Oda painted in black? Maybe it is the color of it? If it was to hide Elbaf why he would show so much? Why he would show that tree?
You can't be this dumb.
I'm talking about your Marineford fallacy. We visited old Marineford but now it is a new location and Oda is hiding because we are going to visit it. When something like that happened in the past?
No i did not "heavily mess up on Mariejois" because you actually did not read my comments highlighting the difference between Elbaf and Mariejois.
- Firstly, there is nothing directly stating we are going to Mariejois, unlike Elbaf. So saying it is "more guaranteed than laugh tale" is just pure dumbass logic
- Elbaf is heavily silhouetted. Mariejois is not. Again, we have confirmation we are going to Elbaf next (or the next 2 islands, who gives a fuck, dont strawman the argument)
- The only thing I stated about Mariejois is that Oda never directedly revealed it FROM THE FRONT. If you want me to end this argument, he already revealed the region completely and introduced it, which he has NOT DONE for Elbaf. This is how he shows Pangea Castle:
You quite literally cannot say the same for Elbaf. And no, there is nothing hard stating we are going to Mariejois. Imu for all we know may just hop on his magical flying island weapon and come to Laugh Tale.
- Firstly, there is nothing directly stating we are going to Mariejois, unlike Elbaf. So saying it is "more guaranteed than laugh tale" is just pure dumbass logic
- Elbaf is heavily silhouetted. Mariejois is not. Again, we have confirmation we are going to Elbaf next (or the next 2 islands, who gives a fuck, dont strawman the argument)
- The only thing I stated about Mariejois is that Oda never directedly revealed it FROM THE FRONT. If you want me to end this argument, he already revealed the region completely and introduced it, which he has NOT DONE for Elbaf. This is how he shows Pangea Castle:
You quite literally cannot say the same for Elbaf. And no, there is nothing hard stating we are going to Mariejois. Imu for all we know may just hop on his magical flying island weapon and come to Laugh Tale.
We just got a directly statement of going to Elbaf now on chapter 1090 and people are saying this shit way before. And we did got the statement of going to Mariejoia back at 1060 when Luffy learns about Vivi being kidnapped while Zoro said it is the den of the enemy. So yes it is more confirmed than going to Laugh Tale since we don't know if he has to go there to become King of Pirates but he has to go to Mariejoia to fullfill JoyBoy mission.
Yes. People were sure that we would have Elbaf now but here we are at Egghead. Now again people are sure about Elbaf being next but... Who knows? Why Oda hitting so early the next location? When he did that and actually worked? At Sabaody they wanted to go to Fishmen Island right? 3 days waiting? Then we got the whole Marineford Saga and timeskip before it. Elbaf has better chances of happening now than before since they said they wanted to go there. But let's see if it happens or not.
Again he only shows location on the front as you want when we are going there. All the front locations, doublespreads, he showed were island we (Mugiwaras) were visiting at the moment.
We already saw Elbaf by Big Mom's flashback. You don't have this argument to support your flawed logic. You say that we only know Elbaf by silhouettes. But why? Just because Oda painted in black? Maybe it is the color of it? If it was to hide Elbaf why he would show so much? Why he would show that tree?
