Future Events EOS BB > Prime Rocks and EOS Shiryu > Prime WB

[nik87]

yeah no

Janitor gonna be coo practice for zoro before his wss fight

No one can tell me they think prime wb would be a mere coo practice for bbp fight zoro, not even eos zoro lol

What if I told you that Shiryu is not CoO practice whatsoever?

zolotards inventing new retarded imaginary shit to wank their boy

He worded it badly, for OP audience but he is not wrong.
I will translate his post - the strongest body is not the toughest one or one that regenerates, it is the body that has no physical form.
Aka void.

 

[The White Crane]

Will be there when this happen to witness the absolute meltdown and people blaming Oda for shitty writing and power creep.

We have clowns saying shit like Sanji will be equal to or above Kaido/Roger and nobody has any problem BB being stronger than every other pirate as FV. But suddenly when it comes to BBs No.2 the fandom goes berserk for suggesting Shiryu > or = Prime WB. The possibility is so traumatic that some people have started suggesting shit like BB will ditch his current crew and get stronger guys who will become his WB and Shiki.

Yonko and Admiral fans really pressed right now I imagine. Spent all that time putting Prime WB at the highest pedestal, even the Admirals cant deny WB greatness since old sickbeard beat the crap out of current FA in MF and now they will have to accept THE JANITOR surpassing Prime WB. The Impel Down Thug will surpass Prime WB and be able to high diff the likes of the FA.

Or you can theorize about Loki joining BB and becoming the WB equivalent. Or the sons of Rocks (BB and Buggy) combine together and Mihawk takes his default position of the Worlds Strongest and serves as Zoros matchup.




@Topi Jerami @nik87 @Shiryuu of the Rain

Shiryu > Prime WB is such a wild take. We'll be lucky if Shiryu is somehow stronger than Queen's equal, let alone Prime WB.

 

[Heart pirate]

Only way this possible is if @Erkan12 prediction of him killing midhawk comes true(worst case), or he’s defeated by Zoro after him(likely suggesting he’s also surpassed mihawk too).

 

[Blazing Lion]

Shiryu > Prime WB is such a wild take. We'll be lucky if Shiryu is somehow stronger than Queen's equal, let alone Prime WB.

Tell me how will then BB surpass Rocks as an individual and as a captain/leader who aims to take the world? If you are saying that BB will only become stronger than Rocks/Roger as an individual then it doesnt make sense because his goals and rise required him to have a crew that surpass the previous ones.
You cant have BB above Roger/Rocks/WB but not have his crew above theirs and in this case Shiryu above WB/Ray.
This is a classic case of minimal panel time. I made a thread previously on how just one hit has sent Shriyus stocks to the bottom and yet when you look at it as a whole that Oda did that to save the rep of others. BB has many anti feats yet no one has any issue with believing he will be the strongest. Shiryu has only one. And that is not the anti feat that it is painted out to be. And we are basing everything on that one single 'anti-feat'. How would it have looked if Garp having fought everyone including Aokiji until that point was okay but Shiryu stabs him and then Garp doesnt even get any pay back. It would put Shiryus effort in achieving the goal way above everyone else combined. Oda cannot let that happen especially when an Admiral is part of the group.
BB himself is a sneaky guy, a coward, a planner but that doesnt dent his stocks. Shiryu is a sneaky, dishonorable, blood thirsty guy.

 

[MonochromeYoru]

What if I told you that Shiryu is not CoO practice whatsoever?

i might have to disagree with your vast wisdom on that Nik-san

He worded it badly, for OP audience but he is not wrong.
I will translate his post - the strongest body is not the toughest one or one that regenerates, it is the body that has no physical form.
Aka void.

No. All that means is it's yet another gimmick. Just like King, or Pica, or Mr 1.

The moment zoro figures out how to cut "the void", shiryu will fold like origami paper we from the rain. Meaning he would not be the strongest even if he somehow had this imaginary The Void power.

 

[Kair0s1]

Yonko WB > EOS Shiryu > RP Newgate

 

[Topi Jerami]

One mistake you're making is equating Sanji to Shiryu.
Sanji has a much higher ceiling than Shiryu does for a pletora of reasons I'm not really going to get into in this post.

One mistake @Blazing Lion is making is equating Sanji to Shiryu.
EoS Shiryu stomps Sanji low diff.
Just like Daz Bones would stomp Alabasta Sanji, Kaku would defeat EL Sanji, Pica would stomp DR Sanji and King would stomp Wano Sanji.

 

[Dragon777]

If there is a WB's parallel, Is quite clearly Kuzan, who doesn't even follow BB when he doesn't want to (as WB), but we'll see.

 

[Topi Jerami]

If there is a WB's parallel, Is quite clearly Kuzan, who doesn't even follow BB when he doesn't want to (as WB), but we'll see.

Kuzan's parallel is clearly Shiki. Both have crippled leg, both fought Garp and both are named after colorful animals (Golden Lion / Blue Pheasant).

 

[MonsterKaido]

Prime WB is above Mihawk.

This can happen if shiryu is final Eos villain for Zoro.

So if BBPs are final villains, sure. If not then shiryu at best will be low top tier.

 

[Blazing Lion]

One mistake @Blazing Lion is making is equating Sanji to Shiryu.
EoS Shiryu stomps Sanji low diff.
Just like Daz Bones would stomp Alabasta Sanji, Kaku would defeat EL Sanji, Pica would stomp DR Sanji and King would stomp Wano Sanji.

Wait wait wait
When did I equate Shiryu to Sanji? I was just pointing out people are accepting and pushing the Sanji ceiling however for Shiryu there is a big issue.
Sanji cannot defeat Zoros arc opponents I thought this was made very clear in Wano against King. EOS Sanji will be lucky to be above King.

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Kuzan's parallel is clearly Shiki. Both have crippled leg, both fought Garp and both are named after colorful animals (Golden Lion / Blue Pheasant).

Desperate for relevancy, now they wanting parallels with WB when Shiryu has clearly been shown by Oda as BBPs No.2. But after last chapter they need a coping mechanism and are just happy to have Admirals as Yonko subordinates.

 

[Topi Jerami]

Prime WB is above Mihawk.

This can happen if shiryu is final Eos villain for Zoro.

So if BBPs are final villains, sure. If not then shiryu at best will be low top tier.

Blackbeard is final villain, there is a reason nowadays people call Blackbeard as FinalVillainbeard.

Shiryu > Primebeard > man who tried to measure the distance.

 

[Blazing Lion]

Prime WB is above Mihawk.

This can happen if shiryu is final Eos villain for Zoro.

So if BBPs are final villains, sure. If not then shiryu at best will be low top tier.

Mihawk is above Prime WB, Mihawk is strongest in the series. He has the strongest and toughest weapon to handle his strongest power. The blade chooses the wielder, the strongest weapon chose Mihawk.

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If there is a WB's parallel, Is quite clearly Kuzan, who doesn't even follow BB when he doesn't want to (as WB), but we'll see.

Is there an example?

 

[PuckTheGreat]

One mistake @Blazing Lion is making is equating Sanji to Shiryu.
EoS Shiryu stomps Sanji low diff.

Sure he does
I swear some of y'all are either on crack or live in dululu land lol

Just like Daz Bones would stomp Alabasta Sanji, Kaku would defeat EL Sanji, Pica would stomp DR Sanji and King would stomp Wano Sanji.

Don't know about the stomp, but it's true that those versions of Sanji would be hard-pressed to beat those 2 due to a matchup disadvantage.
EL Kaku or Pica beating Sanji is a myth
See the difference between me and you is that I don't have my head right up my butthole

 

[Dragon777]

Kuzan's parallel is clearly Shiki. Both have crippled leg, both fought Garp and both are named after colorful animals (Golden Lion / Blue Pheasant).

All this Is bireline bullshit lol.

Next time Is going to be about their favourite colour.

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Is there an example?

Oda's word.

For now not an actual seen case since Kuzan was revealed as a BBP only in EH and BB wasn't even there when he was.

 

[Blazing Lion]

One mistake you're making is equating Sanji to Shiryu.
Sanji has a much higher ceiling than Shiryu does for a pletora of reasons I'm not really going to get into in this post.
Sanji >= Kaido EoS is not an outlandish take if you're saying Zoro >= Roger for instance, likewise with Luffy as the 3 are relative so context is important. Saying Zoro >= Roger whilst saying Sanji >=Kaido is an outlandish take is what is outlandish lol

Anyways thoughts on the relativity of the M3 aside.
With regards to Shiryu, I have no doubt that he'd be a powerhouse but he's certainly not going to be as strong as Prime WB.
He simply isn't that ilk of character as seen by how Garp disrespected him by calling him a lowley janitor or some shit on Fullaled. Moreover Teach's dynamic with his boys is not the same as Rocks had with Shiki and Newgate. Then there's also the fact that Rocks WB wasn't Prime WB. Regardless, should be pretty obvious but you simply can't equate Shiryu with Newgate. I do expect Shiryu to be a solid top tier at the very least though, so relative to the likes of Aramaki and Fuji

Let Sanji unlock ACoC then we can talk about his ceiling cause as of now he will be lucky EOS to be above King. And dont bring that relativity thing here, Zoro and Luffy have always been a level above Sanji. If your strongest attack in combo with 2 other characters can only bring an ouch out of Luffy, then the M3 relativity doesnt exist. If Sanji is unlocking the same powerup as Zoro and Luffy 2 arcs later than the relativity doesnt exist. Hence it is not outlandish to say that Zoro > Roger but Sanji < Kaido.

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All this Is bireline bullshit lol.

Next time Is going to be about their favourite colour.

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Oda's word.

For now not an actual seen case since Kuzan was revealed as a BBP only in EH and BB wasn't even there when he was.

Odas word? Where?
I can say the same for other BBPs too? At least Pizzaru, sorry I meant Pizzaro says it outright

 

[Dragon777]

Desperate for relevancy,

Lol

Kuzan Is on paper one of the most important characters of OP. If there Is one thing he doesn't need, Is more relevance.

Idk why this thing about WB bites this hard. Kuzan Is a top tier, It's clearly the other big personality inside the BBP, doesn't follow BB (as WB didn't) and wants to be free.
Saying that if there Is a WB's parelell is him It's just pointing out the obvious.

More so since half of the forum already thinks WB betrayed Rocks at GV and the same half thinks Kuzan too has his own agenda.

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Odas word? Where?
I can say the same for other BBPs too? At least Pizzaru, sorry I meant Pizzaro says it outright

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=ht...bp&s=dc6f85dbfcf0b4910c35a70a39a7fd8cf1fffed5

 

[RayanOO]

Will be there when this happen to witness the absolute meltdown and people blaming Oda for shitty writing and power creep.

We have clowns saying shit like Sanji will be equal to or above Kaido/Roger and nobody has any problem BB being stronger than every other pirate as FV. But suddenly when it comes to BBs No.2 the fandom goes berserk for suggesting Shiryu > or = Prime WB. The possibility is so traumatic that some people have started suggesting shit like BB will ditch his current crew and get stronger guys who will become his WB and Shiki.

Yonko and Admiral fans really pressed right now I imagine. Spent all that time putting Prime WB at the highest pedestal, even the Admirals cant deny WB greatness since old sickbeard beat the crap out of current FA in MF and now they will have to accept THE JANITOR surpassing Prime WB. The Impel Down Thug will surpass Prime WB and be able to high diff the likes of the FA.

Or you can theorize about Loki joining BB and becoming the WB equivalent. Or the sons of Rocks (BB and Buggy) combine together and Mihawk takes his default position of the Worlds Strongest and serves as Zoros matchup.




@Topi Jerami @nik87 @Shiryuu of the Rain

Shiryu > Prime WB

 

[grey matter]

Prime WB is above Mihawk.

This can happen if shiryu is final Eos villain for Zoro.

So if BBPs are final villains, sure. If not then shiryu at best will be low top tier.

Yeah.
But what if Blackbeard will surpass Rocks. In which case, his underlings need to grow accordingly as well?

It looks ridiculous yes, just like it's ridiculous to imagine Blackbeard surpassing even Kaido, let alone prime WB or Rocks, given his showings.
But Oda has things in mind I suppose.....

But then again, it isn't a 1:1 parallel probably. Rocks had a bunch of conquerors under him. As far as we know, none of Blackbeard's underlings are revealed to be conquerors; heck even Blackbeard himself. Let's wait and see

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Only chance Shiryu has is if teach steals Imus powers and gives Shiryu a gorosei esque demon form, immortality, and CoC