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Will there be any doubts whether PK Luffy will be> Kaido in 1v1?


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#64
"Official pirate" is a concept you just made up. They are explicitly described as pirates in their current condition and their deal with the government consist on benefiting the institution with their piracy. Even then, an unofficial pirate would still be a pirate.



They are both introduced as something like "A member of the Ouka Shichibukai. THE PIRATE Crocodile/Trafalgar Law".



Hancock has other renowned names that don't explicit her condition as a pirate. The reason why she's still addressed as Pirate Empress is because she's an active pirate.



I won't look it up for you. It's the panel in which Crocodile assures that he's a completely different kind of pirate than Luffy because he's down-to-earth instead of a dreamer.



A government dog can be a pirate too. The very reason why they are addressed as dogs instead of employees is because they are pirates who don't respect the ideals followed by the rest of pirates and try to chase them, therefore "traitors" within piracy.

So I'll repeat:

-System described as made up by pirates who perform sanctioned piracy, but piracy still.

-Addressed themselves as pirates.

-Introduced as pirates in official boxes.

-Use epithets describing a pirate condition.

-Addressed as pirates by tons of characters either directly (Smoker, Cavendish, Fujitora, Kizaru, Doflamingo, Sengoku, Rocinante, Kuzan, Tashigi, Brannew...) or indirectly (such as Smoker saying that Dressrosa became an island of pirates because of Doflamingo's reign, Buggy being the captain of a company of pirate mercenaries, Bellamy saying he wants to be a member of Doffy's pirate crew or Monet claiming that his captain will raise to Pirate King).

Should I go on? How come they aren't pirates?
lol pretty much what @HA001 said beat me to the punch.
 
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Jo_Ndule

#66
Kaido can't become PK so wtf is the point of this thread?

He's been crying like baby for 20+ years because of a man that was only a SUBORDINATE on Whitebeard's and Roger's ships

Luffy and Blackbeard are the only PK worthy individuals since WB and Roger

EoS Luffy/Blackbeard > EoS Zoro > Kaido
Roger can't be PK without Oden
WB can't even if he wanted to unless if Roger told him the way. Even then he would need to get pass gthe Yonko

Who the hell can be PK without reading the RPs?
 
#69
Roger can't be PK without Oden
Roger was PK because he was stronger than anyone that isn't named Whitebeard.

WB can't even if he wanted to unless if Roger told him the way. Even then he would need to get pass gthe Yonko
"WB could have taken the throne but chose to bow before it" from Doflamingo's own words

Who the hell can be PK without reading the RPs?
Kaido isn't Roger or Whitebeard

Kaido couldn't overtake an old and ill Whitebeard, Doflamingo,Bigmom,Sengoku,Garp all acknowledge that Old WB > Kaido

Whitebeard's death is the only reason why the Throne Wars is happening, Kaido is not PK material
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BB not becoming PK either so whats the point of him?
WB did not become PK either so what?

If you remove Luffy from the story, BB becomes PK

If you remove both Luffy and BB from the story, NO ONE becomes PK
 
#70
Warlords are pirates
Just stop the fanfics
Stephen Paul isn't gonna help your case
Whoa …

Welcome back ndule sempai.

But nah they aren't pirates how can a pirate be fired from their job..

How can a pirate be threatened to lose their title if they don't attend a war.

How can a pirate be told they are not allowed on a specific island…

They are government officials "under the title of Schibukai" who behave like pirates.. with a frozen bounty.
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I am telling you, its Viz
I'm aware its viz but viz back then sucks, stop citing it.
 
#74
Lmfao. You need to show me.
You dont have to be a pirate to have a bounty as weve seen with revos bandits etc.
He doesnt act like a pirate doesnt have a roger a crew or anything. Never been called a pirate when on about him specifically.
I haven't talked about bounties.

We have no actual definition of what a pirate is in the world of One Piece that shall apply to every well-known pirate, so I don't see why should we trust heuristics like having a Jolly Roger (if this is the case for Mihawk, which we don't know) or a crew.

What we know 100% is that the Shichibukai has been described as a group made up of pirates three times in which Mihawk has been addressed. Therefore, we have no reason to doubt that Mihawk is indeed a pirate, because if it wasn't the case either the Shichibukai wouldn't be described as a group of seven pirates whose piracy is sanctioned or Mihawk wouldn't be in the Shichibukai.

lol pretty much what @HA001 said beat me to the punch.
Use your own arguments because his aren't that strong. The manga fact here is that the Shichibukai system is described many times as a group made up of seven powerful pirates while Mihawk is explicitly included, therefore he's a pirate. It's simple formal logic.
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But nah they aren't pirates how can a pirate be fired from their job..

How can a pirate be threatened to lose their title if they don't attend a war.

How can a pirate be told they are not allowed on a specific island…

They are government officials "under the title of Schibukai" who behave like pirates.. with a frozen bounty.
Because their job to the government isn't being pirates but sharing with it part of their piracy activities in exchange for free roaming.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#75
I haven't talked about bounties.

We have no actual definition of what a pirate is in the world of One Piece that shall apply to every well-known pirate, so I don't see why should we trust heuristics like having a Jolly Roger (if this is the case for Mihawk, which we don't know) or a crew.

What we know 100% is that the Shichibukai has been described as a group made up of pirates three times in which Mihawk has been addressed. Therefore, we have no reason to doubt that Mihawk is indeed a pirate, because if it wasn't the case either the Shichibukai wouldn't be described as a group of seven pirates whose piracy is sanctioned or Mihawk wouldn't be in the Shichibukai.



Use your own arguments because his aren't that strong. The manga fact here is that the Shichibukai system is described many times as a group made up of seven powerful pirates while Mihawk is explicitly included, therefore he's a pirate. It's simple formal logic.
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Because their job to the government isn't being pirates but sharing with it part of their piracy activities in exchange for free roaming.
What pirate activities does mihawk do ?
 
#77
@Kaido D. Stronger are there only 5 flying devil fruits because pell said so? the fact is character statement have been wrong before and even if what killer said is true than that means you have to acknowledge that the WSS title is based on strength not swordsmanship and as such mihawk> current shanks and Mihawk = prime Shanks which place Mihawk at Yonko level. Either way Mihawk is Yonko Level or Higher
 

Finalbeta

Hero of Albion
#78
Where is the poll option for 'Oden two-shots Kaido'?
:tchpepe:
I mean it's kinda hard to conceive that Kaido is the King of 1 on 1 when Oden was inflicting him such harsh treatment.

The fight was below mid difficulty if we take all into account, and Kaido didn't give off the impression to show his Hybrid cause he might have had none.

The only factors that go for him could be having a new form and perhaps having improved his stats.

I think Kaido is stronger than Oden right now, but as strong as Roger? That's still a huge stretch. The translations don't convince me at all so.
 

Fujishiro

Cheese for everyone!
#79
SMH


Mihawk became warlord Sometimes after Roger execution that is 24 years ago. So basically, he wasn't strictly a pirate like shanks or kaido as he was working for the government.


But kaido was not the strongest pirate until WB died because we have specific reference(like BM) putting him above other yonkous.

So, Kaido became strongest pirate during time skip when Mihawk was still Warlord.


The warlord system abolished just recently.


So judging mihawk based on kaido strongest pirate title is pointless and feeding your headcannon.



Now, we have ample evidences pointing that mihawk is yonkou level - Zoro EoS opponent and final goal to surpass, rivalry with shanks, the WSS title and him being referred as legend.


So, mihawk is easily yonkou level and zoro after beating him would surpass him.
A warlord is a pirate, I expected more from you boss. Mental gymnastics are unbecoming of you.

You also speak of headcanon yet headcanon your way into saying that Kaido wasnt the strongest pirate until WB died when in fact the Ace novel had people in it believing he was > Oldbeard.

BM put 10+ years ago WB ''over'' the other yonko but we dont even know the context of that. As she wanted to amass a bigger army, and WB canonically had the biggest crew and allies number wise. Its not like Giants matter in 1vs1s.

And finally, the mihawk was a shishibukai therefore not a pirate( when everyone and their mother keeps calling them pirates) is the height of cope.
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There is no evidence.

Mihawk stands at the top of all swordsmen.

Kaido is strongest pirate but mihawk wasn't the pirate per se for last 22-24 years. He became pirate again when his bounty got unfreezed after abolishment of warlord recently - few weeks ago as per one piece timeline.


So, no kaido strongest pirate title doesn't indicate anything about Mihawk strength.


Context matters.
The Seven Warlords of the Sea, also referred to as just the Seven Warlords, were a group of seven powerful and notorious pirates allied to the World Government.

Am i falling for a troll bait :/
 
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