Eos Sanji vs Mihawk

[Albino 👑]

I am not sure what qualifies as keeping characters close and far, power dynamics between Sanji and Zoro is a very controversial matter. I don't you should use that as a base for any argument as every time that has to be established. I do not believe Oda has kept them close I personally think there was always a significant gap and it was never Luffy vs Zoro Whiskey Peak situation.

Its true, just because Luffy can do something doesn't mean Zoro can just like just because Zoro can do something doesn't mean Luffy can. I am not sure where is the disapproval. Luffy is THE main character, that is true, not sure how that is relevant to the topic.

Its not about him just being compared to zoro or being part of the monster trio

Its about whats left for sanji and the strawhats to face
If he fights queen while zoro fights king like many assume hell basically be fighting 1yc right after
With at least the bbp's and world government next hes obviously gonna keep growing in power. Him giving mihawk a high diff fight aint out of the question


When it comes to swordsmanship zoro will obviously always be better than luffy. At the same time the 2 aren't equal at all. Luffys accomplishments, goals, and strength will always be above

 

[Rukusho]

That doesnt matter. Author established those numbers to tell to the reader the power lvls of the Mugiwaras more or less. It's a good reference.
Via feats Sanji is above Zoro so ...

No

what Oda established, is that the Numbering system is flawed also in the same panel Spandam mentions he that he has his Sword so his doriki which is stated to be "9" is incorrect. - it doesn't account for swordsmanship.

Do you believe Nami hits as hard as Kalifa ?

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Its not about him just being compared to zoro or being part of the monster trio

Its about whats left for sanji and the strawhats to face
If he fights queen while zoro fights king like many assume hell basically be fighting 1yc right after
With at least the bbp's and world government next hes obviously gonna keep growing in power. Him giving mihawk a high diff fight aint out of the question


When it comes to swordsmanship zoro will obviously always be better than luffy. At the same time the 2 aren't equal at all. Luffys accomplishments, goals, and strength will always be above

Don't think we can get a concrete idea when it comes to Sanji as its a very complex matter due to the fact that there are many arcs where Sanii doesn't get special combat focus and 1v1 opponents.

Queen is certainly one of the possibilities for Sanjis opponents though I am not sure how Oda will manage that with consistency considering Oda hasn't shown Sanji defeating even a veteran level fighter though consistency isn't always a determining factor in One Piece. I do think Kidd is a better candidate to face queen due to their history and Queen being associated with mechanical gadgets, and I think Kidd at the moment needs 1v1 fight if he is to face Kaido though I could be wrong.

Yeah Zoro will be a better swordsmanship than Luffy just like Luffy will be a pirate. Though their will power, desire and hunger to be best is certainly equal. Combat is important to both though primary to Zoro but I think from the beginning of the series to the very end they will be equally strong when it comes to individual strength, though if Oda goes out of his way to show different then I will obviously change my mind.

 

[Marimo_420]

Yeah, fishman pirates.

And why Lol? Jinbe and Tiger aren't gag characters, so his claim is false

Skypiea also where Sanji had to triple team a priest must weaker than Ohm, while zoro had 2 full solo fights and was wasting people in the war.

They just like to stick to one portrayal that makes their favourite look decent while ignoring everything else

 

[Gran D. Master]

Personally I think someone like Marco would be a much more interesting and competitive matchup for EoS Sanji

 

[Fiji]

I can't believe this is even a thread.
Why do you insist on disrespecting the Godhawk.
Mihawk, low diff.
You guys need to give up on the Sanji vs Kizaru dreams.

 

[PurpleSwordsman]

No

what Oda established, is that the Numbering system is flawed also in the same panel Spandam mentions he that he has his Sword so his doriki which is stated to be "9" is incorrect. - it doesn't account for swordsmanship.

Do you believe Nami hits as hard as Kalifa ?

His sword is not your typical sword as a part of your power, like in swordsmen. It is another being.
So, bad example.

Ofc Nami doesnt hit as hard as Kalifa, she is not a close combat fighter, she fight with her weapon which is strong as Kalifa or above.
Fukuro's "scouter" measures physical power, so power lvls are pretty valid in most of cases.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Although one thing I would say is that trajectory of end of story is up for debate. Perhaps Luffy and Zoro completely surpass like of Roger and WB to the point where they are actually God's.

In that case Sanji will probably surpass current top tier. But that sounds like a massive leap of faith

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His sword is not your typical sword as a part of your power, like in swordsmen. It is another being.
So, bad example.

Ofc Nami doesnt hit as hard as Kalifa, she is not a close combat fighter, she fight with her weapon which is strong as Kalifa or above.
Fukuro's "scouter" measures physical power, so power lvls are pretty valid in most of cases.

I mean its accurate in all cases just not reliable due to so many external factors like I and @Rukusho mentioned

 

[Albino 👑]

Mihawk aint low diffing top commanders

 

[PurpleSwordsman]

I mean its accurate in all cases just not reliable due to so many external factors like I and @Rukusho mentioned

It's reliable so that means it's a good reference, not accurate, but still a good reference.

 

[Rukusho]

His sword is not your typical sword as a part of your power, like in swordsmen. It is another being.
So, bad example.

Ofc Nami doesnt hit as hard as Kalifa, she is not a close combat fighter, she fight with her weapon which is strong as Kalifa or above.
Fukuro's "scouter" measures physical power, so power lvls are pretty valid in most of cases.

It's not a bad example ... its a statement Spandam didn't say I have my special sword or gave a statement that his sword alone has a doriki.

Spandam : Don't tell everyone!! That doesn't matter, I'm the chief!!
Spandam : Plus I have a sword, just in case!!!

Nami doesn't hit as hard as Kalifa (this is why the system is flawed) it doesn't take into account intelligence, speed, hax, etc.

Also going back and checking Zoro and Kaku's fight shook the whole Tower of Justice.

Sanji's fight with Jabra didn't, not only that Sanji hasn't won a single clash against Jabra,

This continues to cement the fact that :
A. Doriki is flawed
B. Sanji doesn't hit as hard as Zoro
-- the two characters are not comparable --

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Mihawk aint low diffing top commanders

Well that is certainly debatable depending on where you place Kaido and how you analyze Kaido vs Luffy fight.

I think he can low/neg diff someone like Katakuri but low/mid diff someone like Benna Beckman. Then again I have Mihawk at pirate king level just because I think Zoro will surpass Gol D Roger and Mihawk can potentially be his final boss.

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It's reliable so that means it's a good reference, not accurate, but still a good reference.

Not really due to it missing so many aspects that are much more reliable than physical strength of your opponent in one arc without devil fruit and swordsmanship.

 

[randomdude121]

Well nothing suggests he can get there for the moment

He is just too far and also the monster trio is a fanmade story

Hence it is possible that only two SHs will manage to upfront an admiral by EoS

Or it could be 4..

It is all up to Oda

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Well nothing suggests he can get there for the moment

Everything suggests hes getting there sanji will always rival zoro till the end of the manga.

The monster trio isnt made up at all caribou calls them

He is just too far and also the monster trio is a fanmade story

Hence it is possible that only two SHs will manage to upfront an admiral by EoS

Or it could be 4..

It is all up to Oda

I'd say everything supports it especially more than the opposite zoro and sanji rivalry while luffy never acknowledges or talks about a rivalry with zoro all of timeskip. Gol d roger being >ray and the overwhelming majority of captains being stronger than first mates.

Even when you bring up monster trio the idea is that they are the 3 strongest in the crew which is true just people taking it as a hyper literal and denying the name while the idea remains the same.

 

[PurpleSwordsman]

It's not a bad example ... its a statement Spandam didn't say I have my special sword or gave a statement that his sword alone has a doriki.

Spandam : Don't tell everyone!! That doesn't matter, I'm the chief!!
Spandam : Plus I have a sword, just in case!!!

Nami doesn't hit as hard as Kalifa (this is why the system is flawed) it doesn't take into account intelligence, speed, hax, etc.

Also going back and checking Zoro and Kaku's fight shook the whole Tower of Justice.

Sanji's fight with Jabra didn't, not only that Sanji hasn't won a single clash against Jabra,

This continues to cement the fact that :
A. Doriki is flawed
B. Sanji doesn't hit as hard as Zoro
-- the two characters are not comparable --

It's a bad example bro, why are you insisting?
When they measured his power, it's obvious he kicked Fukuro too like the others, with his body. Not with his sword. His sword is an extra weapon, a different being. It's similar with Nami in this case. Nami's weapon has its own power that does not depend on the user's power.

Luffy, Zoro and Sanji doesnt have hax so it's irrelevant. The power lvl of Dourikis is a good system for them. And the speed is normally proportional to the power of the individual. In case of Rokushiki users it's even better, because they train for the same techniques and with the same training.

Tower of Justice's feat is crap wtf. Zoro's cutting that tree on Skypiea is much better feat than Kaku's Rankyaku in terms of power, although not in terms of AoE and "visually". And Zoro's feat was with a nameless cut with a single sword...

Sanji oneshoted Jabra with a technique with name. Jabra has Tekkai on. So he surpasses his Tekkai + durability.
How is that not hitting as hard as Zoro's Ashura?

 

[Albino 👑]

Well that is certainly debatable depending on where you place Kaido and how you analyze Kaido vs Luffy fight.

I think he can low/neg diff someone like Katakuri but low/mid diff someone like Benna Beckman. Then again I have Mihawk at pirate king level just because I think Zoro will surpass Gol D Roger and Mihawk can potentially be his final boss.

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Not really due to it missing so many aspects that are much more reliable than physical strength of your opponent in one arc without devil fruit and swordsmanship.

It dont really have to do anything with kaido tho tbh just mihawks own showing against them

 

[HA001]

It's a bad example bro, why are you insisting?
When they measured his power, it's obvious he kicked Fukuro too like the others, with his body. Not with his sword. His sword is an extra weapon, a different being. It's similar with Nami in this case. Nami's weapon has its own power that does not depend on the user's power.

Luffy, Zoro and Sanji doesnt have hax so it's irrelevant. The power lvl of Dourikis is a good system for them.

Tower of Justice's feat is crap wtf. Zoro's cutting that tree on Skypiea is much better feat than Kaku's Rankyaku in terms of power, although not in terms of AoE and "visually". And Zoro's feat was with a nameless cut with a single sword...

Sanji oneshoted Jabra with a technique with name. Jabra has Tekkai on. So he surpasses his Tekkai + durability.
How is that not hitting as hard as Zoro's Ashura?

Kaku didnt kick. He elbowed.

 

[PurpleSwordsman]

Kaku didnt kick. He elbowed.

::ROLLING EYES::

 

[ShishioIsBack]

It dont really have to do anything with kaido tho tbh just mihawks own showing against them

Mihawk did not have any conclusive showing against commander to use for or against him. Using anything that happened in marine ford to scale Mihawk is about as reliable as using Fujitora vs 1 sword Zoro to scale Fujitora.

Its Mihawk's in universe hype, presentation, lore and story purpose that should be used to scale him.

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::ROLLING EYES::

Although he could have been more clear, the point @HA001 is making is that Kaku did not use main source of his strength when it comes to his doriki.

There are different ways to channel strength and all of them requires technique unless its not really strength and instead magic. Kaku just like Zoro can channel most of his strength through his sword or slashing in general cuz he basically uses his legs as swords in giraffe form, unlike Jabura who is a brawler and generates most of his strength through his body parts (kicks/punches).

But with swords or slashing in general Kaku generated so much power, it almost scared Jabura and he decided to keep his distance from Kaku so he doesn't get caught in collateral damage. His tower slicing attack was by far the greatest display of power that we saw in Enies Lobby excluding Ashura and G3 Luffy and that includes even Lucci and scary thing is that tower slicer wasn't even peak of Kaku's power, he had more power in his arsenal.

Can you imagine what the doriki result would have been if Kaku used that attack on Doriki guy? What do you think the result would have been?

Doriki is like a kick/punching power machine right?

 

[Rukusho]

It's a bad example bro, why are you insisting?
When they measured his power, it's obvious he kicked Fukuro too like the others, with his body. Not with his sword. His sword is an extra weapon, a different being. It's similar with Nami in this case. Nami's weapon has its own power that does not depend on the user's power.

Luffy, Zoro and Sanji doesnt have hax so it's irrelevant. The power lvl of Dourikis is a good system for them. And the speed is normally proportional to the power of the individual. In case of Rokushiki users it's even better, because they train for the same techniques and with the same training.

Tower of Justice's feat is crap wtf. Zoro's cutting that tree on Skypiea is much better feat than Kaku's Rankyaku in terms of power, although not in terms of AoE and "visually". And Zoro's feat was with a nameless cut with a single sword...

Sanji oneshoted Jabra with a technique with name. Jabra has Tekkai on. So he surpasses his Tekkai + durability.
How is that not hitting as hard as Zoro's Ashura?

Gave the reasons why within your own post ... everything I'm providing is your own quotes.

Doriki only measures strength :
* When they measured his power, it's obvious he kicked Fukuro too like the others, with his body. Not with his sword. His sword is an extra weapon
* It's similar with Nami in this case. Nami's weapon has its own power that does not depend on the user's power (I believe here you mean its not her strength she is using weather balls ** her intelligence ** to create thunder clouds and electricity attacks)

Luffy, Zoro and Sanji doesnt have hax so it's irrelevant. The power lvl of Dourikis is a good system for them. And the speed is normally proportional to the power of the individual. In case of Rokushiki users it's even better, because they train for the same techniques and with the same training.

That was never stated,as you mentioned Swordsmanship doesn't get taken into account, Luffy is DF user is Luffy punching Fukuro in his Base should he use G2 or G3 ?? there are far too many variables.

Sanji it should be a good system since all he has to do is kick but that doesn't apply to Zoro and Luffy.

Sanji oneshoted Jabra with a technique with name. Jabra has Tekkai on. So he surpasses his Tekkai + durability.
How is that not hitting as hard as Zoro's Ashura?

1. Sanji didn't oneshot Jabra
2. Sanji never broke Tekkei - he burnt through it -- the two are not comparable.
3. Zoro is was capable of breaking Tekkei with Tatsumaki and Shi sonson
4. Sanji (who you're praising so much) mentioned that at the rate Zoro and Kaku are going the Tower will collapse (Sanji and Jabra fight never had this, Sanji lost every clash against Jabra, Zoro won every clash against Kaku)

AGAIN Zoro and Sanji like Jabra and Kaku are not comparable.

 

[Pirate hunter eddy]

Although he could have been more clear, the point @HA001 is making is that Kaku did not use main source of his strength when it comes to his doriki.

There are different ways to channel strength and all of them requires technique unless its not really strength and instead magic. Kaku just like Zoro can channel most of his strength through his sword or slashing in general cuz he basically uses his legs as swords in giraffe form, unlike Jabura who is a brawler and generates most of his strength through his body parts (kicks/punches).

But with swords or slashing in general Kaku generated so much power, it almost scared Jabura and he decided to keep his distance from Kaku so he doesn't get caught in collateral damage. His tower slicing attack was by far the greatest display of power that we saw in Enies Lobby excluding Ashura and G3 Luffy and that includes even Lucci and scary thing is that tower slicer wasn't even peak of Kaku's power, he had more power in his arsenal.

Can you imagine what the doriki result would have been if Kaku used that attack on Doriki guy? What do you think the result would have been?

Doriki is like a kick/punching power machine right?

They would be the same because Doriki measures physical strength. The only reason Kaku's Doriki would increase would be due to having more physical strength when his is in hybrid form same with Jabra. being able to generate a specific amount of force in an attack is a direct result of his physical strength.