Break Week Eustass Kidd vs Big Mom: The battle of tarnished reputations

[Fn Lucci]

I think you might be underestimating how much Kidd cares about what people think of him. The fact that he so quickly corrected Caribou in the Prison shows that he does in fact care about what people think of him. This is a guy who kills people for laughing at his dream. I also think it’s very clear that one of his main motivations of fighting is for fame and glory. Notice how one of the main reasons he even came to Onigashima was because he didn’t want to let Luffy get all the glory. This was the reason he said to Luffy in chapter 974.

Now of course his grudge against Shanks probably means more. But if a guy like Kidd has a chance to fix his reputation up, I’m damn sure he’s taking that chance lol. Out of every Worst Gen Pirate Kidd probably cares about what people think of him the most tbh.

More than Law, Zoro, or Luffy, but those guys completely fail to give any sort of shit about what others think so that doesn't say much. Again, Caribou was talking shit right in front of him, so that's different. It's not like he's gonna go out and find people who believe the rumor and attack them.

He probably says fame and glory even in a good translation, but underneath a facade I would imagine a stronger motivation is the fact that Kaido fucked him up and trashed his crew. He was mad enough at Apoo, but that's not even as bad as Kaido humiliating him and permanently disfiguring Killer.

 

[ReggieZoldyck21]

"invincible Katakuri"



bunch of degenerates spreading false rumours

Vergo demonlishes the shit out of Katakuri lmao

First Luffy takes some of her reputation, next is Kidd. It’s only right :cheers:

 

[Finalbeta]

"invincible Katakuri"



bunch of degenerates spreading false rumours

Vergo demonlishes the shit out of Katakuri lmao

Who is the weakest character who can stop VerGod sama?

 

[5000 ng/dl or death]

Who is the weakest character who can stop VerGod sama?

2 armed Jozu

 

[Finalbeta]

2 armed Jozu

So he can't anymore now if he alive? :cheers:

 

[Lifeismeh]

give Kidd every Allie you can find in Onigashima, he's not beating BM

because she's Luffy fight , Oda won't waste all the panel of build up just for Kidd to defeat her after some irrelevant small panels of build up

but giving Kidd have connections to Shanks and Elbaf just like BM, maybe he participate in her defeat as well, but Luffy will have the final say, but for now anyone thinking Kidd defeat BM is talking nonsense mainly because they don't know what Kidd role this arc is and what future Oda planning for him, for that matter you should just wait instead of holding on these crazy dreams

drop this crazy idea already , especially when BM have ten time the Panel time Kidd have and then some

 

[ReggieZoldyck21]

give Kidd every Allie you can find in Onigashima, he's not beating BM

because she's Luffy fight , Oda won't waste all the panel of build up just for Kidd to defeat her after some irrelevant small panels of build up

but giving Kidd have connections to Shanks and Elbaf just like BM, maybe he participate in her defeat as well, but Luffy will have the final say, but for now anyone thinking Kidd defeat BM is talking nonsense mainly because they don't know what Kidd role this arc is and what future Oda planning for him, for that matter you should just wait instead of holding on these crazy dreams

drop this crazy idea already , especially when BM have ten time the Panel time Kidd have and then some

She goes down in Wano. Watch.

 

[Lukegranders]

give Kidd every Allie you can find in Onigashima, he's not beating BM

because she's Luffy fight , Oda won't waste all the panel of build up just for Kidd to defeat her after some irrelevant small panels of build up

but giving Kidd have connections to Shanks and Elbaf just like BM, maybe he participate in her defeat as well, but Luffy will have the final say, but for now anyone thinking Kidd defeat BM is talking nonsense mainly because they don't know what Kidd role this arc is and what future Oda planning for him, for that matter you should just wait instead of holding on these crazy dreams

drop this crazy idea already , especially when BM have ten time the Panel time Kidd have and then some

Stop reading two piece.

Luffy after 24+ years still does beat on woman is either he can’t hurt them or Oda avoids the fight entirely.

Luffy will never beat big mom. Big mom has been set up as kidds opponent since fishman island.

Luffy will never defeat her get this biased dumb shit outta here. Unless you believe akainu Kizaru greenbull and fujitora are all losing to luffy then your just biased

 

[Thabeast]

KID VS MOM is too obvious lmao

The Mom is always gonna beat the Kid's ass

 

[Lifeismeh]

Stop reading two piece.

Luffy after 24+ years still does beat on woman is either he can’t hurt them or Oda avoids the fight entirely.

Luffy will never beat big mom. Big mom has been set up as kidds opponent since fishman island.

Luffy will never defeat her get this biased dumb shit outta here. Unless you believe akainu Kizaru greenbull and fujitora are all losing to luffy then your just biased

so you think some irrelevant panel saying Kidd destroyed some irrelevant ships that belong to BM is considered build up since FI

but Luffy straight up challenging her multiple times, saying he will fight her after Kaido multiple times, BM having her story that is far from being resolved even after an arc of 70+ fucking chapters, and Kidd having nothing to do with it, plus BM having far more relevant crew than Kidd that's still playing a big role to this day, heck just in the latest chapter BM fruit got even more complex and more powerful while Kidd is still spamming the same move

all that can be ignored because Kidd should have a big win this arc? and you call me biased ? LMAO

best case scenario for Kidd against BM is he appear in Elbaf and play a role in her fight, but here he's definitely 100% not defeating BM

 

[BangOO🍅]

ironic how Big Mom goes Mother Mode because Tama is a "kid", and then Captain "Kid" trying to fight her.

 

[Iaarm]

Kaido and Big Mom will fall this arc. Im 1000% sure. Luffy will take out Kaido and Kid will be the one to finish Big Mom. The thought of Luffy taking out both in one arc is absurd. So the only one that makes sense to take down Big Mom is Kid.
Its simple as that.

 

[Finalbeta]

ironic how Big Mom goes Mother Mode because Tama is a "kid", and then Captain "Kid" trying to fight her.

And I feel there could be an intrinsic strong connection between Mother Mode and Mother Carmel therefore Big Mom's past with her during her childhood.

 

[Fuckthis3]

How is Kidd a meme?


It’s definitely no coincidence that in her character introduction the first guy we hear is messing her was Kidd. I remember when that FI chapter first came out, many fans were predicting that Luffy and Kidd would end up fighting Big Mom together. Since then most fans have kind of backed off that prediction, but I think that it still ends up happening. Just took a long time to get there lol.

But yeah, Kidd getting the glory for “beating” her and taking her Yonko spot would be the perfect revenge for the false rumors her crew spread. Good chance it happens imo.

Just a meme as in "luffy rival" but havent beaten a worthy opponent

 

[ReggieZoldyck21]

so you think some irrelevant panel saying Kidd destroyed some irrelevant ships that belong to BM is considered build up since FI

but Luffy straight up challenging her multiple times, saying he will fight her after Kaido multiple times, BM having her story that is far from being resolved even after an arc of 70+ fucking chapters, and Kidd having nothing to do with it, plus BM having far more relevant crew than Kidd that's still playing a big role to this day, heck just in the latest chapter BM fruit got even more complex and more powerful while Kidd is still spamming the same move

all that can be ignored because Kidd should have a big win this arc? and you call me biased ? LMAO

best case scenario for Kidd against BM is he appear in Elbaf and play a role in her fight, but here he's definitely 100% not defeating BM

Look at my P.S at the end of the OP. I already knew there would be people saying the same, “Kidd can’t beat Big Mom because Luffy said he would.” So I addressed the point.

One thing I can assure you of is that emperor Big Mom is falling in Wano alongside
emperor Kaido. Book it. If Big Mom goes to Elbaph she will be going there as O-Lin, not a central antagonist. Her time as a central antagonist ends here in Wano which is the conclusion to the Yonko saga. The main antagonists of this saga were Kaido and Big Mom, so they will both be “beaten”. That simple.

Luffy has already said twice that he intends on “beating“ everyone one of the villains of this arc here in Wano. Kaido, Orochi, and Big Mom.

And once again.

The Worst Generation will take down both emperors in Wano and change the One Piece world as we know it. That I’m sure of. The only difference between Kaido and Big Mom is that Kaido will probably die, while I’m sure that Big Mom will not die. She will probably be permanently O-Lin.

 

[Midnight Delight]

Kidd has been in a cold war with Big Mom for 2 years. He was the first to attack Tottoland and 2 years later is still attacking her ships so much that it's hurting her economically (remember she needs souls for her ships, she can't keep on rebuilding her ships forever, and needs material for it)

 

[Iesd]

This is spot on bro. A lot of people are ignoring what CP0 said and the overall themes of the arc to fit the idea of Luffy beating Big Mom because well he said so. This is a bad take for many reasons, but a big one is the misconception that comes with this belief which is that whatever Luffy says has to come true. This has been clearly proved to NOT be the case.

What I'm wondering is to the people who think Luffy will beat Big Mom THIS ARC, how does Oda portray him as a inferior pirate to Blackbeard after beating 2 emperors? How is Luffy just not the defacto Pirate King after taking down TWO emperors? How is his bounty not exceeding 10 Billion? How does this progression make any sense?

To the people who think Luffy will beat Big Mom in ELBAF, why do you think Oda would write Big Mom as a main, secondary and then main villian for 3 arcs in a row? Do you think the "reformation" and then eventual defeat of the ROCKS while they are together is a plotline that won't go answered? What purpose in terms of themes does Big Mom fit for the Elbaf arc that Shanks doesn't do better? How will Oda write Big Mom leaving the arc in a believable manor when nothing indicates that her character would do so?

I refuse to believe that you can answer all those questions without pulling major mental gymnastics. The much more elegant solution is to have two different teams chip down Big Mom and Kaido separately then have the people MOST involved with the conflict against the emperors, that being the 3 captains, taking on both Big Mom and Kaido. Eventually this would move on to a 2v2 between the conquerors. This way the plotline between Luffy/BM and Kid/Kaido isn't ignored as both Luffy and Kid are involved with the defeat of the emperor they're most invested in AND the themes of the arc come full circle with the new generation beating the old.

There is a reason Oda has both BM and Kaido involved with the ROCKS and why Big Mom is brought to Wano. The whole theme around Wano is the idea of "the climb" and reaching the summit despite insurmountable odds. Make no mistake, this arc WILL be the end of Kaido and Big Mom as major villians and if you think Luffy will be responsible for the downfall of both AND that it would be healthy for the story, I have nothing to say and you can keep believing that. I prefer the solution that keeps the story and characters interesting and sets up a new era of powerful pirates like we were promised.

Just something else I wanted to add, even if Luffy doesn't beat Big Mom, the idea of him beating "3 Emperors" like he hinted to in Punk Hazard can still come true it would just be an unexpected (And to be honest a very Oda-like) way of going about it. When Luffy said he'd beat all the emperors while holding up 3 fingers people assumed those emperors would be: Kaido, BM and BlackBeard. Outside of that there are 2 other possibilities. One is that the 3 emperors end up being Kaido, Shanks and BB which makes sense even if Shanks is not a villain because that can be done through a davy back fight. The other option is Kaido, Kid and BB, which obviously in this scenario Kid would take BM's spot as emperor and fit in as one of the 3 emperors Luffy would bring down.

 

[ReggieZoldyck21]

This is spot on bro. A lot of people are ignoring what CP0 said and the overall themes of the arc to fit the idea of Luffy beating Big Mom because well he said so. This is a bad take for many reasons, but a big one is the misconception that comes with this belief which is that whatever Luffy says has to come true. This has been clearly proved to NOT be the case.

What I'm wondering is to the people who think Luffy will beat Big Mom THIS ARC, how does Oda portray him as a inferior pirate to Blackbeard after beating 2 emperors? How is Luffy just not the defacto Pirate King after taking down TWO emperors? How is his bounty not exceeding 10 Billion? How does this progression make any sense?

To the people who think Luffy will beat Big Mom in ELBAF, why do you think Oda would write Big Mom as a main, secondary and then main villian for 3 arcs in a row? Do you think the "reformation" and then eventual defeat of the ROCKS while they are together is a plotline that won't go answered? What purpose in terms of themes does Big Mom fit for the Elbaf arc that Shanks doesn't do better? How will Oda write Big Mom leaving the arc in a believable manor when nothing indicates that her character would do so?

I refuse to believe that you can answer all those questions without pulling major mental gymnastics. The much more elegant solution is to have two different teams chip down Big Mom and Kaido separately then have the people MOST involved with the conflict against the emperors, that being the 3 captains, taking on both Big Mom and Kaido. Eventually this would move on to a 2v2 between the conquerors. This way the plotline between Luffy/BM and Kid/Kaido isn't ignored as both Luffy and Kid are involved with the defeat of the emperor they're most invested in AND the themes of the arc come full circle with the new generation beating the old.

There is a reason Oda has both BM and Kaido involved with the ROCKS and why Big Mom is brought to Wano. The whole theme around Wano is the idea of "the climb" and reaching the summit despite insurmountable odds. Make no mistake, this arc WILL be the end of Kaido and Big Mom as major villians and if you think Luffy will be responsible for the downfall of both AND that it would be healthy for the story, I have nothing to say and you can keep believing that. I prefer the solution that keeps the story and characters interesting and sets up a new era of powerful pirates like we were promised.

Just something else I wanted to add, even if Luffy doesn't beat Big Mom, the idea of him beating "3 Emperors" like he hinted to in Punk Hazard can still come true it would just be an unexpected (And to be honest a very Oda-like) way of going about it. When Luffy said he'd beat all the emperors while holding up 3 fingers people assumed those emperors would be: Kaido, BM and BlackBeard. Outside of that there are 2 other possibilities. One is that the 3 emperors end up being Kaido, Shanks and BB which makes sense even if Shanks is not a villain because that can be done through a davy back fight. The other option is Kaido, Kid and BB, which obviously in this scenario Kid would take BM's spot as emperor and fit in as one of the 3 emperors Luffy would bring down.

Dude everything you said is fucking spot on. It’s so obvious that Kaido and Big Mom will both be beaten this arc. The remanants of the Rocks Pirates have already been set up to be beaten here. With that CP0 panel, Oda isn’t even trying to hide it lol. People will say “Luffy said he’s beating Big Mom after Kaido, so she can’t lose this arc.” while ignoring Luffy’s most recent statements of him saying he would beat Kaido, Orochi, and Big Mom here in this war. So which one should we believe? I would believe his most recent statements that make the most sense. Not him traveling back to WCI to fight her simply because he said he would. Where in the story would that fit and why would he need to go back there?

Your reasoning for the final Luffy and Kidd vs Kaido and Big Mom 2 v 2 is literally exactly what I was thinking. If Luffy and Kidd 2 v 2 them it would address the problem of Kidd doing nothing against the object of his revenge Kaido, while also letting Luffy also play a role in taking down Big Mom. Luffy would known as the main guy vs Kaido, while Kidd is vs Big Mom.

Kidd ending up being one of the 3 emperors that Luffy referred to in Punk Hazard is something I’ve actually never heard someone say. I like it, great observation/prediction. Kaido, Kidd, and Blackbeard are all characters I see Luffy fighting and defeating at some point too. (Kaido in Wano, Kidd in Elbaph/Lodestar, and Blackbeard on Raftel) imo.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

This may or may not be Oda’s intentions but, It’s kind of funny how Big Mom chased after Luffy and came to Wano because he and the twisted rumors ruined her reputation

but now instead of fighting Luffy she gets to fight a man whose reputation was also ruined by twisted rumors her and her crew put out. Kidd. Remember in Udon, Caribou implies that because of the false rumors that Big Mom spread in the newspapers about her commander ripping Kidds arm off and making him run away, his reputation is in shambles.

And we know that Big Moms crew was obviously responsible for these rumors spreading.

If Kidd were to be recognized as the main guy who “beat” Big Mom, he would be taking his reputation/glory back in a BIG way. Imagine if he takes her Yonko position...


This Kidd vs Big Mom matchup makes more sense the more and more I think about it. I think a pretty good narrative for this matchup has already been set up. The battle between pirates with a tarnished reputation fighting for glory.

Who will take their reputation back?

@rerere @Pantheos @Lukegranders @Pattoucco @Yubel @Zoro D Goat @Legendaryconquer#1 @LordVinsmoke


P.S, since I already know the Kidd haters are going to say the usual,
“Kidd is trash, he can’t beat 1 v 1 Big Mom.” and
“Luffy must beat Big Mom, side character Kidd will get knocked out next chapter.”

- I don’t think he will beat Big Mom 1 v 1.I think he will get plenty of help from other Supernova. But he will be the “main guy”

- I believe in the final battle Luffy and Kidd will fight BOTH weakened Kaido and weakened Big Mom in a 2 v 2. (Or 3 v 2 if Law is there). So Luffy will still basically beat her.

- I do think, Kidd gets recognition for taking down Big Mom and takes her Yonko spot though.

Can't said it better myself.:cheers:

#KiddSZN

 

[Peroroncino]

Can't said it better myself.:cheers:

#KiddSZN

You finally started to wank a character that will get Ws