Character Discussion Even I have to admit
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I don't think Kaido was disappointing as a character. Oda just didn't take/have enough time to expand on it.
And it's his own faut, he focused too much on Orochi in the first half but Orochi was a fodder so there wasn't much to be done during the raid with him. Yet he still gave the guy too many panels. Along with his fodders men and scrubbards struggle.
Kaido had potential which wasn't explored by Oda because at some point he had to wrap up Wano for the Red movie promotion. Still we could see some small moments of good characterization with him.
I would say that one of his defaults was Oden existence, Oda linked Kaido's story with Oden just like he did with WB and Roger but Oden potentially being the worst character he created, none of these 3 chads came out of Oden's flashback as a better character. It tarnished their character, portrayal, and inevitably Kaido's future moments in the serie everytime Oden was being mentioned.
On the bright side, the dude was a monster strength wise and had awesome feats.
As for Big Mom, I have nothing to say to defend her. Shit feats, shit character, don't care about her.
And it's his own faut, he focused too much on Orochi in the first half but Orochi was a fodder so there wasn't much to be done during the raid with him. Yet he still gave the guy too many panels. Along with his fodders men and scrubbards struggle.
Kaido had potential which wasn't explored by Oda because at some point he had to wrap up Wano for the Red movie promotion. Still we could see some small moments of good characterization with him.
I would say that one of his defaults was Oden existence, Oda linked Kaido's story with Oden just like he did with WB and Roger but Oden potentially being the worst character he created, none of these 3 chads came out of Oden's flashback as a better character. It tarnished their character, portrayal, and inevitably Kaido's future moments in the serie everytime Oden was being mentioned.
On the bright side, the dude was a monster strength wise and had awesome feats.
As for Big Mom, I have nothing to say to defend her. Shit feats, shit character, don't care about her.
Big Mom feels like a deliberate trolling from Oda. Let's create a gigantic fat hag with an absolutely despicable personality and nothing even remotely cool about her. What did you expect? The first time we got a full panel of her I immediately knew Oda went full troll mode.
Kaido was alright, normally Im a big fan of barbarian type of characters ever since diablo, but Kaido was so boring and one dimensional I could barely finish Wano.
Anyway, no worries, we still have Shanks.
Kaido was alright, normally Im a big fan of barbarian type of characters ever since diablo, but Kaido was so boring and one dimensional I could barely finish Wano.
Anyway, no worries, we still have Shanks.
First off, I can’t say I’m a Yonko fan. I like certain characters and that’s it but expecting to like a whole group of wildly different characters just because of a title is sort of ridiculous.
I like BM because she’s one of the most diverse characters ever. She’s unpredictable, she’s a monster, she’s funny, she’s crazy, but at her core she’s somehow remained consistent. Her backstory was one of the most interesting as well, and a very disturbing but tragic one.
BM is just like Luffy in the sense that Oda likes to clown them but in the end makes them unpredictable monsters. His biggest mistake is definitely not giving her a better defeat than Kaido. It even made Law and Kidd look bad altogether it wasn’t just her.
Kaido, I don’t really care for. Boring bland personality, too much focused on power levels and strength, too many fucking vague clues about his background and context. Drunk mode was dumber than rocks. I’ll admit his strength portrayal is off the charts but that doesn’t make up for his really insufferable vague personality and paradoxical obsession with fighting and dying.
I like BM because she’s one of the most diverse characters ever. She’s unpredictable, she’s a monster, she’s funny, she’s crazy, but at her core she’s somehow remained consistent. Her backstory was one of the most interesting as well, and a very disturbing but tragic one.
BM is just like Luffy in the sense that Oda likes to clown them but in the end makes them unpredictable monsters. His biggest mistake is definitely not giving her a better defeat than Kaido. It even made Law and Kidd look bad altogether it wasn’t just her.
Kaido, I don’t really care for. Boring bland personality, too much focused on power levels and strength, too many fucking vague clues about his background and context. Drunk mode was dumber than rocks. I’ll admit his strength portrayal is off the charts but that doesn’t make up for his really insufferable vague personality and paradoxical obsession with fighting and dying.
Kaido and big mom arent bad characters. Its that oda messed them up:
1) big mom should have never been in wano. Her presence there offered nothing to the story.
2) the arc was dragged out so much that in the end everything was rashed which harmed their character more than anyone else.
3) the complete lack of attack damage both by kaido and big mom also didnt help
It would be much cooler if teach or the navy invaded wci after straw hats departure and kill her there. And in wano kid, law and luffy could have taken kaido down together.
Oda basically raised law and kid's status much too high and at the expense of the story. There is no good reason they have this high bounty right now.
The lack of backstory wasnt that negative for me. Crocodile didnt have one and was a great villain. I think that oda didnt so us too much bc that would mean he would have to reveal the rocks pirates which is sth he avoided.
1) big mom should have never been in wano. Her presence there offered nothing to the story.
2) the arc was dragged out so much that in the end everything was rashed which harmed their character more than anyone else.
3) the complete lack of attack damage both by kaido and big mom also didnt help
It would be much cooler if teach or the navy invaded wci after straw hats departure and kill her there. And in wano kid, law and luffy could have taken kaido down together.
Oda basically raised law and kid's status much too high and at the expense of the story. There is no good reason they have this high bounty right now.
The lack of backstory wasnt that negative for me. Crocodile didnt have one and was a great villain. I think that oda didnt so us too much bc that would mean he would have to reveal the rocks pirates which is sth he avoided.
I do wonder why the hell Big Mom was even fighting to the death on Onigashima. I remember Robin saying pirate alliances usually end up with betrayals yet the two biggest pirates were fighting to the death for each other.
It would've been a good twist if Meme backstabbed Kaido to take him out, but it seems pirates in One piece don't betray each other at all
It would've been a good twist if Meme backstabbed Kaido to take him out, but it seems pirates in One piece don't betray each other at all
Big Mom and Kaido comes down to poor story management, Kaido should never be dealt at this point in the story and Oda made some twists because he couldn't get Luffy to beat BM in WCI in a reasonable way.
For a guy that plans so far ahead he missed in the most important points. And that's because he can't control himself and just flooded the story with useless characters.
For a guy that plans so far ahead he missed in the most important points. And that's because he can't control himself and just flooded the story with useless characters.
Feat wise, kaido is so far the most impressive
But for character build ups and backstory, I don't think you should expect any good ones from now on
Oda is at the verge of shitting himself if anyone dare to like his other characters more than Sanji, Zoro and especially Luffy
He'll do anything to sideline the others and make you only see those 3, and probably Nami as well but Oda seems confused on how to enforce her to the show
But for character build ups and backstory, I don't think you should expect any good ones from now on
Oda is at the verge of shitting himself if anyone dare to like his other characters more than Sanji, Zoro and especially Luffy
He'll do anything to sideline the others and make you only see those 3, and probably Nami as well but Oda seems confused on how to enforce her to the show
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If Oda had drawn Kaidou crying as a child like 99% of villains, he would have been considered good. But as Oda drew the strongest living creature fighting on the battlefields at the age of 10 and finally being considered the strongest soldier of a nation this is boring, if he had done option 1 there would be people complaining that the One Piece WSC it's too soft... Kaidou doesn't need sad background stories, he is the one who causes the sad stories in others' lives. LOL
I particularly loved Kaidou's flashback, no sad stories for the depressed, no crying, just action, and strength.
But remember that fictional characters don't write themselves.
I don't care if Kizaru is more developed than Kaidou, it doesn't change the fact that Kaidou > Kizaru in power and that's what matters to me. And to be honest none of the current admirals are better developed than Kaidou, we literally know more about Kaido than the admirals.
I particularly loved Kaidou's flashback, no sad stories for the depressed, no crying, just action, and strength.
But remember that fictional characters don't write themselves.
I don't care if Kizaru is more developed than Kaidou, it doesn't change the fact that Kaidou > Kizaru in power and that's what matters to me. And to be honest none of the current admirals are better developed than Kaidou, we literally know more about Kaido than the admirals.
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Well it's like I said, liking character X is subjective, for example there are people who like
more from Kizaru than Kaidou, and Kaidou is much better developed than Kizaru and has a longer panel time.
One of the reasons why these guys like Kizaru as a shallow character could be due to things like:
1st - Character of a pigeon with retarded.
2nd - Because its power of light is something cool.
3rd - Because of its appearance.
So it's relative.
Crocodile was someone what? Charismatic who in turn captivated people, while Kaidou was portrayed as a
monster without compassion, so Kaidou is more likely to receive more Hater due to his character's nature when compared to
to crocodile, Crocodile even became Luffy's ally temporarily in MF, Lmao.
more from Kizaru than Kaidou, and Kaidou is much better developed than Kizaru and has a longer panel time.
One of the reasons why these guys like Kizaru as a shallow character could be due to things like:
1st - Character of a pigeon with retarded.
2nd - Because its power of light is something cool.
3rd - Because of its appearance.
So it's relative.
Crocodile was someone what? Charismatic who in turn captivated people, while Kaidou was portrayed as a
monster without compassion, so Kaidou is more likely to receive more Hater due to his character's nature when compared to
to crocodile, Crocodile even became Luffy's ally temporarily in MF, Lmao.
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