General & Others Everything wrong with Zoro vs King
- Thread starter Herrera95
- Start date
I was recently re-reading the Zoro vs King fight and I noticed some key things that could have made the fight better.
First of all is this
King uses his fire sword for the first time to burn his allies. And then he doesn't use it again until the very end of the fight. This is nonsense. Is like when Katakuri killed his allies for seeing his face and then not using his spear to attack Luffy next.
Then this. The laserbeamlike attack of King that seemed pretty effective against Zoro amd then he never used again (specially without his outfit). We saw by both Zoro and Luffy how unlocking CoC coating also boosted their speed and reaction. So it would be good to see Zoro reacting better to that attack after his power up.
This explosion was also an interesting attack that we could have see how powered up Zoro would deal with. Would King feel nothing? Would Zoro have "tanked" (with haki) better?
Two other moves Oda could have show Zoro surpassing that he failed before during the fight.
And of course if Zoro could harm King while flames were on.
First of all is this
Then this. The laserbeamlike attack of King that seemed pretty effective against Zoro amd then he never used again (specially without his outfit). We saw by both Zoro and Luffy how unlocking CoC coating also boosted their speed and reaction. So it would be good to see Zoro reacting better to that attack after his power up.
This explosion was also an interesting attack that we could have see how powered up Zoro would deal with. Would King feel nothing? Would Zoro have "tanked" (with haki) better?
Two other moves Oda could have show Zoro surpassing that he failed before during the fight.
And of course if Zoro could harm King while flames were on.
King had a lot of tricks he even stated that
and at the end of the fight zoro was smart enough to threaten him so he got cocky and show up his weaknest with the last karyudon
I really loved that fight
Slow turn-based fight = shit fight
All of the greatest fights in One Piece are high-speed, the combatants on pins & needles with no time to draw out something exaggerated and flashy, like King & Zoro did the entire fight
Doesn't really help that Zoro is mostly a sitting duck with intermitten periods of speed but otherwise no flight, no air prowess.
In the end Zoro fans got what they wanted
We all missed out on this
but hey at least we got to see Zoro and King take turns throwing DBZ aura colorbombs at each other every 5 minutes
All of the greatest fights in One Piece are high-speed, the combatants on pins & needles with no time to draw out something exaggerated and flashy, like King & Zoro did the entire fight
Doesn't really help that Zoro is mostly a sitting duck with intermitten periods of speed but otherwise no flight, no air prowess.
In the end Zoro fans got what they wanted
We all missed out on this
but hey at least we got to see Zoro and King take turns throwing DBZ aura colorbombs at each other every 5 minutes
😢
It’s not a great fight. Even it’s flow doesn’t make sense
The fight was originally about Zoro needing a way to damage King past king’s race shit… Then the fight became about Zoro mastering Enma and unlocking CoC… but note that this has nothing to do with damaging king… The main thing regarding damaging king is that King manually removes his own invincibility for no reason… the fight switching to mastering Enma literally has nothing to do with damaging king
Zoro learns how to damage King OFFSCREEN… It’s not even wrkorth showing on screen to Oda… the literal MAIN POINT OF THE FIGHT was offscreened
The fight was originally about Zoro needing a way to damage King past king’s race shit… Then the fight became about Zoro mastering Enma and unlocking CoC… but note that this has nothing to do with damaging king… The main thing regarding damaging king is that King manually removes his own invincibility for no reason… the fight switching to mastering Enma literally has nothing to do with damaging king
Zoro learns how to damage King OFFSCREEN… It’s not even wrkorth showing on screen to Oda… the literal MAIN POINT OF THE FIGHT was offscreened
Zoro but that doesn't make sense.
Not sure what you mean by sword skill. We ways saw greatness of Zoro in that area. And like I said in discussion Oda wanted for Zoro to end the fight quickly showing how superior he got with CoC Coating.
You mean early on since he used against Kaido? Yeah I see your point this could be something extra.
It's a great fight. And One Piece standard are high.
The fight was never about cutting King while on flames on. Zoro did discover how his flames worked and fought around it. Similar to Luffy understanding he needed to attack Kaido from the inside to hurt him.
And you are supposing he had no reason for switching his modes when he could clearly have flames on at the last attack he received. There is clearly a limit otherwise he would be invincible and Seraphim wouldn't be trapped now.
I was thinking about the ending scene of 1033 and the first scene where the fight return at 1035. Maybe there was no offscreen. I guess after Zoro unlocked his CoC coating King tried to outsized him but got blitzed by him. Well just a thought.
Not sure what you mean by sword skill. We ways saw greatness of Zoro in that area. And like I said in discussion Oda wanted for Zoro to end the fight quickly showing how superior he got with CoC Coating.
You mean early on since he used against Kaido? Yeah I see your point this could be something extra.
It's a great fight. And One Piece standard are high.
The fight was never about cutting King while on flames on. Zoro did discover how his flames worked and fought around it. Similar to Luffy understanding he needed to attack Kaido from the inside to hurt him.
And you are supposing he had no reason for switching his modes when he could clearly have flames on at the last attack he received. There is clearly a limit otherwise he would be invincible and Seraphim wouldn't be trapped now.
I was thinking about the ending scene of 1033 and the first scene where the fight return at 1035. Maybe there was no offscreen. I guess after Zoro unlocked his CoC coating King tried to outsized him but got blitzed by him. Well just a thought.
This is pure headcanon… there has never been a stated limit and the seraphims are in bubbles because bubbles bypass their invincibility… the bubbles affect them because they are df users, hence defeating them even though the entire crew failed to damage a single seraphims after fighting them for a full night
We are not led to believe that Zoro cannot defeat King without CoC
Do you understand? Zoro had Kaido and Big mom shaking BEFORE HE unlocked CoC… Zoro already had the ability to cut fire before his fight with king
Can you tell me fire sure that if Zoro used Hiryu Kaen, the attack big mom was yelling at Kaido to dodge, that attack wouldn’t completely fuck up flame off king?
Let’s say Zoro hits king 3 times with Hiryu Kaen and slices up all of king’s fire abilities… would king walk off this assault?
Do you see what I mean? The turning point of this entire fight was always King’s flames… it was the BIGGEST FACTOR IN THIS FIGHT AND ODA DECIDED TO MAKE IT OFFSCREEN
We are not led to believe that Zoro cannot defeat King without CoC
Do you understand? Zoro had Kaido and Big mom shaking BEFORE HE unlocked CoC… Zoro already had the ability to cut fire before his fight with king
Can you tell me fire sure that if Zoro used Hiryu Kaen, the attack big mom was yelling at Kaido to dodge, that attack wouldn’t completely fuck up flame off king?
Let’s say Zoro hits king 3 times with Hiryu Kaen and slices up all of king’s fire abilities… would king walk off this assault?
Do you see what I mean? The turning point of this entire fight was always King’s flames… it was the BIGGEST FACTOR IN THIS FIGHT AND ODA DECIDED TO MAKE IT OFFSCREEN
Everything in One Piece has limits. DF abilities has limit (Marco losing his regen after overusing it). Haki has limit. Why would it be different with lunarian flames?
And you failed to explain how Seraphim lost their fights and got trapped. Wtf the bubble explanation I never denied that.
You lack reading comprehension. The whole thing was Zoro discover the weakness of flames off King. He already damaged him before but he didn't realized.
And you failed to explain how Seraphim lost their fights and got trapped. Wtf the bubble explanation I never denied that.
You lack reading comprehension. The whole thing was Zoro discover the weakness of flames off King. He already damaged him before but he didn't realized.
Because Oda has made it a point across 100 chapters of manga to NOT SHOW a limit
King never reached a limit… The seraphims fought a n entire Yonko crew non-stop for over 12 hours and there was no limit shown or referenced… all the seraphims are completely undamaged the next day
These are 10 year old children and an entire Yonko crew FAILED TO DAMAGE THEM
Oda has decided there is no limit by simply NOT SHOWING ONE… There have been 5 lunarians participating in active combat for the last 1000 chapters of manga against some of the strongest characters in the verse and not ONCE has either the characters themselves or anyone around the characters said there was a limit
Fucking VEGAPUNK who studied the limits of lunarians NEVER SAYS a limit exists… We literally have a character in the story who studied this EXACT THING… And He watched Luffy and Zoro fail to damage a seraphim and all he said you have to wait for the lunarians to remove their flames
The smartest person on the planet who spent years studying lunarians durability limits says the only thing a Yonko can do to an 10 year old lunarian IS WAIT FOR THE LUNARIAN TO REMOVE THEIR INVINCIBILITY
Anyway… Also not a coincidence that this man is studying a never ending fire that can produce infinite energy… And he was also studying lunarians, who produce a never ending fire naturally… Clearly we are set up for this lunarians fire shit to be special even in the future
This was abandoned when the fight became about Enma and CoC… Oda decided that we need a full chapter about Enma instead of a full chapter about the mechanics of the lunarian fire…
See the same way you don’t know about the limit of the lunarian fire, it’s because Oda wasted a chapter on Enma instead of the actual point of the fight itself, damaging king
King never reached a limit… The seraphims fought a n entire Yonko crew non-stop for over 12 hours and there was no limit shown or referenced… all the seraphims are completely undamaged the next day
These are 10 year old children and an entire Yonko crew FAILED TO DAMAGE THEM
Oda has decided there is no limit by simply NOT SHOWING ONE… There have been 5 lunarians participating in active combat for the last 1000 chapters of manga against some of the strongest characters in the verse and not ONCE has either the characters themselves or anyone around the characters said there was a limit
Fucking VEGAPUNK who studied the limits of lunarians NEVER SAYS a limit exists… We literally have a character in the story who studied this EXACT THING… And He watched Luffy and Zoro fail to damage a seraphim and all he said you have to wait for the lunarians to remove their flames
The smartest person on the planet who spent years studying lunarians durability limits says the only thing a Yonko can do to an 10 year old lunarian IS WAIT FOR THE LUNARIAN TO REMOVE THEIR INVINCIBILITY
Anyway… Also not a coincidence that this man is studying a never ending fire that can produce infinite energy… And he was also studying lunarians, who produce a never ending fire naturally… Clearly we are set up for this lunarians fire shit to be special even in the future
This was abandoned when the fight became about Enma and CoC… Oda decided that we need a full chapter about Enma instead of a full chapter about the mechanics of the lunarian fire…
See the same way you don’t know about the limit of the lunarian fire, it’s because Oda wasted a chapter on Enma instead of the actual point of the fight itself, damaging king
It was a great fight. Oda even showed how King, fearing that Zoro would break through his defenses with the help of acoc+ ryoo, decided to fly away attacking from afar, but Zoro showed that even flying opponents are not a problem for him.The fighting style was gorgeous and the drawing too. Vano's best fight and the number 2 fight after goofy vs Katakuri post ts.
We clearly saw that King got a limit. Zoro interaction with him points to that. And Seraphim fight was offscreen. Also leading to that idea.
This means nothing. Holy shit...
Oda just addressed limit to DF first time with Law at Dressrosa. Doesn't mean there wasn't one.
Such a dumb argument. Lunarians were introduced with King at Wano. So they are part of manga only for 200 chapters. And they barely the ones with most focus or panels etc.
We know Kuma since post Alabasta. Only recently we discovered he is a Buccaneer amd not a human/cyborg (maybe he is still cyborg?) and that he has a special ability we are still unaware of. Your logic says that he doesn't have this ability because Oda in all those chapters didn't showed. Ridiculous.
Vegapunk bot saying something isn't the same as he saying that it doesn't exist. "Vegapunk never said they have limits" He also never said they doesn't have. In fact he gave 0 tips on how to defeat them. And that must be one of the reason Oda offscreened so we are not aware of how their abilities works fully.
I don't remember him saying that. That was Zoro. In fact one of the satellite was there and said nothing about them. Zoro was the one who remembered they were lunarians and attacks wouldn't work while their flames were on.
Lunarians fire does end. People forget that King was fighting with Marco and Sanji before fighting to Zoro when his fire got to his limit. Unlike Seraphim that were fresh against Luffy Zoro Kaku and Lucci and then got offscreened.
His choreography against King was awesome.
Actually he and Luffy vs Kaido and Law with Kid vs Big Mom would've being better. But again. Zoro took King easily (after power up) while Nika struggled against Kaido. And Nika peaked.
Vano? And I disagree about being second to Katakuri. The end of Katakuri fight was so lame that it ruins the whole fight. Zoro vs King is near perfection. Perfection being Luffy vs Lucci / Zoro vs Daz Bones
This means nothing. Holy shit...
Oda just addressed limit to DF first time with Law at Dressrosa. Doesn't mean there wasn't one.
Such a dumb argument. Lunarians were introduced with King at Wano. So they are part of manga only for 200 chapters. And they barely the ones with most focus or panels etc.
We know Kuma since post Alabasta. Only recently we discovered he is a Buccaneer amd not a human/cyborg (maybe he is still cyborg?) and that he has a special ability we are still unaware of. Your logic says that he doesn't have this ability because Oda in all those chapters didn't showed. Ridiculous.
Vegapunk bot saying something isn't the same as he saying that it doesn't exist. "Vegapunk never said they have limits" He also never said they doesn't have. In fact he gave 0 tips on how to defeat them. And that must be one of the reason Oda offscreened so we are not aware of how their abilities works fully.
I don't remember him saying that. That was Zoro. In fact one of the satellite was there and said nothing about them. Zoro was the one who remembered they were lunarians and attacks wouldn't work while their flames were on.
Lunarians fire does end. People forget that King was fighting with Marco and Sanji before fighting to Zoro when his fire got to his limit. Unlike Seraphim that were fresh against Luffy Zoro Kaku and Lucci and then got offscreened.
His choreography against King was awesome.
Post automatically merged:
Actually he and Luffy vs Kaido and Law with Kid vs Big Mom would've being better. But again. Zoro took King easily (after power up) while Nika struggled against Kaido. And Nika peaked.
Post automatically merged:
Vano? And I disagree about being second to Katakuri. The end of Katakuri fight was so lame that it ruins the whole fight. Zoro vs King is near perfection. Perfection being Luffy vs Lucci / Zoro vs Daz Bones
