Questions & Mysteries Explain to me this dear hypocrites

Senfret

Senfret

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#104
#104
[No Name] said:
I'm tired of the hypocrisy of the average One Piece fan. I'm truly exhausted by this. They go so far as to say, "No, King and Queen are not comparable in strength." Absolutely not, even though many characters put them side-by-side in their statements. And there are also literally panels that they constantly share. They fight the same opponent together. But in that case, no, the two characters aren't comparable. King and Queen are not comparable in the slightest, no.

In that situation, they argue that King, because of certain feats, is several tiers above Queen. However, the moment Garp and Sengoku face Shiki, the moment they are mentioned together in a few sentences, Garp and Sengoku are magically on the exact same level. Or at least Sengoku is extremely close to Garp. That's what I've been told. And I'll even use this user's quotes, because I'm so tired of this hypocrisy, of this double standard.

Then they argue: "No, a character's portrayal isn't enough. The statements don't count." He claims that Queen and King are two obstacles of the same difficulty level. Marco's statement, where he places them as two extremely strong pirates due to their bounties, without making any distinction between them, that doesn't count. No proximity in power level is implied there.

But then, on the other hand, all it takes is for Whitebeard to mention Sengoku. All it takes is for Roger to do it. By the way, Roger simply says that Sengoku and Garp are both fun compared to the average Marine, who is insignificant to him. It absolutely does not mean that Sengoku and Garp are on the same level. It simply means Sengoku is at a level where he can be entertaining for him. And it's the same kind of phrase Luffy uses in Udon, as I've already shown you many times.

But here too, no, it doesn't count, fine. Zoro fans go so far as to argue that Sanji cannot be close to Zoro in any way because he lacks the feats, the visual feats. Then Gaban comes along and, as Puck on Worst Gen tells us, has insane feats, literally. Despite this, despite Gaban having visually much more impressive feats than Sengoku and others, no, suddenly the point is that Sengoku's feat is somewhat trivial. Suddenly, because of this, Sengoku is placed higher, and for that person, Gaban is always the weakest top-tier of the previous generation.

Regardless, it doesn't matter what he does. It doesn't matter. First, they demanded feats of strength. Now that Gaban literally shows several applications of advanced Haki that other characters can only dream of—I haven't seen Shiki, I haven't seen Sengoku use advanced Observation Haki—suddenly, feats don't matter. Suddenly, what matters is that Sengoku appears next to Garp a few times.

But be careful, God forbid you say Queen appears next to King. It's the exact same damn thing. The gap between Garp and Sengoku is most likely the same as the one between King and Queen. So people need to make up their minds and estimate what the difference between them is. Because these are the elements that place Sengoku close to Garp. But in reality, we know very well they are not equals, because otherwise Kong wouldn't have bothered Garp, pulling him from his summer vacation on a so-called remote island to take part in a legendary battle, where Sengoku, what a coincidence, was not present to do what, nobody knows.

I simply deduce he wasn't of the same caliber or up to the task like Garp was, who indeed has a much more legendary reputation. Even when he sits on the throne at Marineford, it's not true that Sengoku is exactly equal to Garp. No, it's simply true that Sengoku stands out from the admirals of the time, whose names we don't know, as a figure who still managed to... to still give some trouble to Whitebeard and Roger.
But it's also worth mentioning that Tsuru is put in the same sentences with Sengoku, and the Vivre Cards even define Tsuru as being on par with Sengoku, just saying. So, these things should be taken with a grain of salt. It's never a simple case of parity. That's right, more precisely: Sengoku is on par with Garp in the same way Tsuru is on par with Sengoku, basically.

Some messages I wanna mention :


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Message that I don't get since vivrecard and even manga say that Tsuru is a comparable legend and strength to Sengoku (literally same sentence people use for Ray and WB) and she was for sure below admirals like the one Rocks off screened.
So idk, why should Sengoku be super equal to Garp and not like the same kind of equal that Gaban is to Roger?
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grey matter

grey matter

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#105
#105
[No Name] said:
He has feats, shitty ones like failing to put down Luffy.

Also his portray is also sweating and hyping a sick WB and being shocked by his feats, it's clear he can't replicate those.
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Yeah, he didn't use haki for whatever reason there. Then more context comes, and he (along with Garp) holds the entire BBP, each of whom would shit on not only Luffy but the entire SHP solo.

He kept gassing up WB in what was supposed to be his climax. No shit lol. Him sweating against WB works because he is strong, because he is the fleet admiral.
The portrayal he got before it - WB name dropping him alongside Garp.

[No Name] said:
It's the opposite, you have had this idea of Sengoku super equal to garp for years and you all didn't even expect gaban to be as strong as he is.
If Gaban had an other name and wasn't "number 3" you all would have pushed him to his actual strength, someone who in his old age can easily humiliate Zoro.
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Why are you saying this to me, mistaking me for someone else? I have posts from years ago pushing Gaban as top tier, and close to Rayleigh in power, even you know this. My take had been consistent for a long time, that Roger/Ray/Gaban was 100/95/90.

And this is inspite of Gaban having nothing more than standing along with Rayleigh, with Roger referring to him as one of his best men. Portrayal was still there, and I gave that benefit of doubt to Gaban.

Why wouldn't I give Sengoku the benefit of doubt, who has had more informative portrayal lasting for decades??
I never had Sengoku as Garp's equal either, just close to Garp has his portrayal clearly suggests.

And no, I don't think old Gaban is humiliating Zoro, though he is stronger. Nobody is humiliating current Zoro, bar the unknowns. We are way past that point by now.
 
Cruxroux

Cruxroux

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#108
#108
kajiro said:
Zoro never blitzed Kaido. He parried the Kaido club and then attacked with Ashura. Kaido is much slower than old Rayleigh. Kaido cannot even blitz Big Mom lol.
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Exactly he blitzed Kaidou before he could do anything.

kajiro said:
Kaido is much slower than old Rayleigh.
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Get off your drugs. Hybrid Kaidou is one of the fastest characters in the series. (Bar Kizaru who is another level from any character).

He was keeping up with Gear 5.
 
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