General & Others Fake lore

[lee33]

-If the books are relevant to the One Piece/Void Century than what is the point of all the effort placed on the poneglyphs?
These books are likely not related to the void century but simply scientific, cultural & linguistic literature that belonged to the ancient kingdom.
The poneglyphs were written by Joyboy himself to drop some lore on the void century and guide people to One Piece

Then it is filler if it is not related to the void century/ancient kingdom.

-If the books aren't relevant to the One Piece/Void Century than it is filler.

Not necessarily, they will be used to restore the current civilization to its former glory.

If it is being used to restore the current civilization to its former glory then that means those books are relevant to the Void Century, hence going back to my first argument of those books being completely unnecessary since we already have poneglyphs.

-Vegapunk says he read every single book that survived Ohara but then asks Robin to verify his guess that Ohara was researching the Ancient Kingdom? Like what? Mr. Editor how did that just slip by your proofreading?
This depends on the content of the books themselves. Don’t forget that both Robin and Clover read some poneglyphs but not VP.
Ofcourse this is my logical reasoning so far, if the books are also concerned with the void century then I agree it’s total bullshit.

The whole context is about the void century/ancient kingdom so that line is nonsense. VP literally came to the same conclusion Clover did meaning those books were about the ancient kingdom. It is a stupid line but Oda and his editor are too lazy to proofread their work.

 

[Peenix]

Tbh I kinda like this moment because it shows that, despite all the horrible things Obito had done, Naruto was kind enough to say this

 

[lee33]

Except it's not a lore dump? It's just establishing that Shaka knows about it

Hence my post. This post is specifically about this chapter not being a lore dump dude.

1. They were researching things other than just the Void Century. That's not headcanon
2. It's literally the legacy of the archeologists she grew up with
3. No. The speech bubble is pointed at Nami and she has her mouth opened. The dialogue is informal, which isn't how Shaka speaks. Nami's the one talking.

1. Idc about what else they were researching in. This post is specifically about the void century/ancient kingdom.
2. The legacy of Robin is to uncover the true history which led to the massacre of Ohara. That is her legacy and the scholars legacy. Not the books. If those books are anything other than void century/ancient kingdom content then they are completely pointless to the story hence making them filer.
3. My guy why the heck would Nami say, "verify his guess that Ohara was researching the Ancient Kingdom "?

Yes? What does that have to do with anything?

You literally said, "I'd imagine she didn't want to talk about her traumatic past " which is exactly what she did in this chapter.

 

[M944]

Books are their theories
Poneglyphs the real history
The only Poneglyphs which covers the whole history is the Ryo poneglyph on Laugh tale

Common Poneglyphs only talks about a small part of the history moreover you will be hunted by WG if you search them actively

 

[Reborn]

-If the books are relevant to the One Piece/Void Century than what is the point of all the effort placed on the poneglyphs?
These books are likely not related to the void century but simply scientific, cultural & linguistic literature that belonged to the ancient kingdom.
The poneglyphs were written by Joyboy himself to drop some lore on the void century and guide people to One Piece

-If the books aren't relevant to the One Piece/Void Century than it is filler.
Not necessarily, they will be used to restore the current civilization to its former glory.

-Vegapunk says he read every single book that survived Ohara but then asks Robin to verify his guess that Ohara was researching the Ancient Kingdom? Like what? Mr. Editor how did that just slip by your proofreading?
This depends on the content of the books themselves. Don’t forget that both Robin and Clover read some poneglyphs but not VP.
Ofcourse this is my logical reasoning so far, if the books are also concerned with the void century then I agree it’s total bullshit.

You are right.

Both ohara and VP drew conjectures and weren't sure of the existence of the ancient kingdom. This clearly means Books aren't about ancient Kingdom history per se


Whereas PGs are of 3 types

Historical Poneglyphs" reveal pieces of ancient history, as well as messages written by ancient people.

"Instructional Poneglyphs" contain instructions and/or clues about the locations of Historical Poneglyphs.

Road Poneglyphs detail a location. The combined locations detailed by all four Road Poneglyphs allows one to locate Laugh Tale.


And, we know what happened during Void century would be revealed at the final pG -Rio PG at laugh tale

 

[SakazOuki]

If it is being used to restore the current civilization to its former glory then that means those books are relevant to the Void Century, hence going back to my first argument of those books being completely unnecessary since we already have poneglyphs.

Poneglyphs -> Joyboy’s Ancient Kingdom lore & how the WG conspired to delete it from history/ guide to OP whatever that is
Ohara books -> normal literature that originates from the Ancient Kingdom, will help reestablish the technology that people had in the past

Someone as smart as Vegapunk who read the books but not any poneglyphs, and seeing how he already found some ancient scientific work like that giant robot, draws a conclusion that the 20 countries that make up the World Government we know of today conspired against the ancient kingdom, and how destroying Ohara after investigating such matter conforms with his hypothesis. He simply asks Robin to confirm lol

 

[lee33]

Books are their theories
Poneglyphs the real history
The only Poneglyphs which covers the whole history is the Ryo poneglyph on Laugh tale

Common Poneglyphs only talks about a small part of the history moreover you will be hunted by WG if you search them actively

Yes, I agree with this which is why I created this post. These books subplot should remain the same as it was before this chapter i.e. it was based off their theories which happened to be an accurate representation of the history however these books shouldn't have any more importance to the story since we already established the Ryo poneglyph.
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Poneglyphs -> Joyboy’s Ancient Kingdom lore & how the WG conspired to delete it from history/ guide to OP whatever that is Ohara books -> normal literature that originates from the Ancient Kingdom, will help reestablish the technology that people had in the past

@SakazOuki The books subplot should remain what it was before this chapter came out, i.e. the theories that the scholars came up with which led them to their destruction. If they are used in anyway that mitigates the Ryo poneglyph than that is terrible writing. The "technology" subplot that you mentioned is filler imo and there is way more than enough evidence to showcase why it is filler: MADS, Gigantification, underground weapons, SMILES, Vinesmokes, Queen etc all turned out to be completely pointless subplots hence filler.

Someone as smart as Vegapunk who read the books but not any poneglyphs, and seeing how he already found some ancient scientific work like that giant robot, draws a conclusion that the 20 countries that make up the World Government we know of today conspired against the ancient kingdom, and how destroying Ohara after investigating such matter conforms with his hypothesis. He simply asks Robin to confirm lol

He got that from the books though dude. The books themselves are about the "20 countries that make up the WG that conspired against the ancient kingdom". Robin even confirms it on this page

 

[M944]

Yes, this is true which is why I created this post. These books subplot should remain the same as it was before this chapter i.e. it was based off their theories which happened to be an accurate representation of the history however these books shouldn't have any more importance to the story since we already established the Ryo poneglyph.

The ryo poneglyph will cover the biggest part. The small parts on common Poneglyphs are still relevant to the void century.
The Books probably talks about a lot of those common poneglyphs hence being really dangerous and important to read.
Some even give you infos about Ancient weapons

Summary :
- Books summarize small poneglyphs hence being relevant because it takes time to find every poneglyphs
- Ryo poneglyph : Biggest part of the history

It's also why the only poneglyphs we saw are on location hard to access (FI, Old Wano, Skypiea and so on...)

 

[Peenix]

Hence my post. This post is specifically about this chapter not being a lore dump dude.

But why is that a bad thing?
And we didn’t know that Saul was alive and the books were in Elbaf. It’s pretty important to establish those things imo

1. Your point was about the books. I’m addressing that point
2. Her dream is to uncover the void century, but that doesn’t mean that things that aren’t directly a part of that dream don’t matter to her.
3. For reference this is the line you’re talking about, right?

You literally said, "I'd imagine she didn't want to talk about her traumatic past " which is exactly what she did in this chapter.

Except that she wasn’t the one to bring up the topic and she was visibly uncomfortable talking about it

 

[LolonoisZolo]

One piece the only tale in history where even books don't die...

 

[Herrera95]

What was? To look for books? And that's stated where exactly?

What is the purpose of Ohara if not erase any knowledge about the Void Century? Why they killed the people who could read Poneglyph instead of just burn the books?