Break Week Fights I wanna see in Wano

HA001

HA001

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#81
#81
Kromage911 said:
I'm saying he fights King first and then fight Kaido, scarring him. Yes, Kaido >>> King but remember, it's a 5v2 and not a 1v1.
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No him being strong enough to wound kaido that grievously shows the king fight would be nothing more than king avoiding being hit because king is not kaido and can take no where near that level of ap
sulong inu denjiro doji and kinemon strongest attack combined was shallow on kaido yet that would easily beat king and zoro when he open kaido up will surpass their attack with ease. So the only difficulty in the fight would be landing a hit ala pica
where would be the extreme in that ?
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Doggo said:
Sanji vs Karate Masters.
"If you win this battle".
"But when I win, i'll be many times stronger than i am now".
He was going to fight them.
Clearly.
Stealing doesn't mean sneaking around and taking things.
Beating people and taking their belongings is also stealing. Much more "pirate" like.
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? bruh what are you even arguing i just said he did fight them
 
Doggo

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#82
#82
HA001 said:
No him being strong enough to wound kaido that grievously shows the king fight would be nothing more than king avoiding being hit because king is not kaido and can take no where near that level of ap
sulong inu denjiro doji and kinemon strongest attack combined was shallow on kaido yet that would easily beat king and zoro when he open kaido up will surpass their attack with ease. So the only difficulty in the fight would be landing a hit ala pica
where would be the extreme in that ?
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? bruh what are you even arguing i just said he did fight them
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So why did you come up with the "iva never said he had to fight" thing?
LOL. My man, you either have double personality, or you are not paying attention to what you are writing in the first place.
 
HA001

HA001

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#83
#83
Doggo said:
So why did you come up with the "iva never said he had to fight" thing?
LOL. My man, you either have double personality, or you are not paying attention to what you are writing in the first place.
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Can you not read ?
iva never said he had to fight them all he mentioned was stealing them
my point was the people he fought didnt even contain ivankov just 99 random fodder
 
Doggo

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#84
#84
HA001 said:
Can you not read ?
iva never said he had to fight them all he mentioned was stealing them
my point was the people he fought didnt even contain ivankov just 99 random fodder
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Now that's a problem with perspective.
Sanji, before timeskip, was the third strongest SH. Since he arrived in kamabaka, basically everybody there was able to keep up with him in a fight.
Believe me when I say. They were far from your average fodder. And, as far as we know, he had to fight a lot of them AT THE SAME TIME.
Disregarding the strenght of "minions", just because they are not major players is more of a "your problem", than the character problem.
 
HA001

HA001

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#85
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Doggo said:
Now that's a problem with perspective.
Sanji, before timeskip, was the third strongest SH. Since he arrived in kamabaka, basically everybody there was able to keep up with him in a fight.
Believe me when I say. They were far from your average fodder. And, as far as we know, he had to fight a lot of them AT THE SAME TIME.
Disregarding the strenght of "minions", just because they are not major players is more of a "your problem", than the character problem.
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Theres levels to this shit
i dont care how strong they are what they are not is 100 beasts stronger than luffy when he started his training (some could tank kong gun) or mihawk
which is why the end result ended like this.
 
Kromage911

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HA001 said:
No him being strong enough to wound kaido that grievously shows the king fight would be nothing more than king avoiding being hit because king is not kaido and can take no where near that level of ap
sulong inu denjiro doji and kinemon strongest attack combined was shallow on kaido yet that would easily beat king and zoro when he open kaido up will surpass their attack with ease. So the only difficulty in the fight would be landing a hit ala pica
where would be the extreme in that ?
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? bruh what are you even arguing i just said he did fight them
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Firstly, we don't know how strong King is and what his durability level is. Yes, he has been a bit underwhelming till now but only a dumbfuck would think that Oda doesn't have any special future plans for Kaido's right hand. We know that Kaido is not able to control the Enma properly right now even after all that training and there's no reason to think that he would immediately be able to do so against King. Going by your words, you seem to think that he's much above YC1 level but I don't think that's the case.

You need both swordsmanship + physical strength + haki/ryou to scar Kaido. Going by their strength, the 4 scabbards combined probably had the strength but weak haki or swordsmanship. Zoro probably has the perfect combination, like Oden. Like Oden fought Ashura and came out bloody in the fight. No reason to believe that he would beat them if one more scabbard was there, let alone 3. Hence, I don't think it's just AP but also other things like haki. OR the power-scaling is wonky like most times.
 
HA001

HA001

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#87
#87
Kromage911 said:
Firstly, we don't know how strong King is and what his durability level is. Yes, he has been a bit underwhelming till now but only a dumbfuck would think that Oda doesn't have any special future plans for Kaido's right hand. We know that Kaido is not able to control the Enma properly right now even after all that training and there's no reason to think that he would immediately be able to do so against King. Going by your words, you seem to think that he's much above YC1 level but I don't think that's the case.

You need both swordsmanship + physical strength + haki/ryou to scar Kaido. Going by their strength, the 4 scabbards combined probably had the strength but weak haki or swordsmanship. Zoro probably has the perfect combination, like Oden. Like Oden fought Ashura and came out bloody in the fight. No reason to believe that he would beat him if one more scabbard was there, let alone 3. Hence, I don't think it's just AP but also other things like haki. OR the power-scaling is wonky like most times.
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holy shit this is a bad post

we talking about what they can handle
king is just an ancient zoan dino
he does not have a dragon scale defence that you need ryou to even bypass
what king and kaido can take is not comparable

young oden beat doji and his men
young oden not prime oden
prime oden beats all the scabbards and hits harder than them combined
 
Edwar.D.O

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Switch said:
I hope Kid/Zoro get to show their stuff in a 1v1 against whichever emperor.
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As cool as that will be I can’t see anything in this fight happening without Luffy witnessing it or being involved, like there’s can’t be 1v1 happening amidst a 5v2 like if we get some shit like Dressrosa where Luffy is sent downstairs for a hot sec I’ll actually Ulti Meteor my laptop. They’ll get their moments but I doubt any one v one is taking place on the roof.
 
Doggo

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#89
HA001 said:
Theres levels to this shit
i dont care how strong they are what they are not is 100 beasts stronger than luffy when he started his training (some could tank kong gun) or mihawk
which is why the end result ended like this.
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You talk like Zoro actually beat Mihawk during his training.
Do you know how training works?
The "strenght" of the teacher means nothing.
What they teach you is what's important.
Luffy didnt end his training at Rayleigh's level. Zoro didnt end his training in Mihawk's level. Who cares if they are stronger? lol
 
HA001

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#91
#91
Doggo said:
You talk like Zoro actually beat Mihawk during his training.
Do you know how training works?
The "strenght" of the teacher means nothing.
What they teach you is what's important.
Luffy didnt end his training at Rayleigh's level. Zoro didnt end his training in Mihawk's level. Who cares if they are stronger? lol
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The strength does matter
the stronger they are the more they have to teach
never said he was near mihawk once
the point was very clear
his training pushes him more than what sanji did and the results show
 
Kromage911

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HA001 said:
young oden beat doji and his men
young oden not prime oden
prime oden beats all the scabbards and hits harder than them combined
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Men were basically fodder, don't really count tbh.
Young Ashura not prime Ashura.
I feel like the power-scaling is wonky but yeah, on second thoughts he actually might and you may be right.

HA001 said:
we talking about what they can handle
king is just an ancient zoan dino
he does not have a dragon scale defence that you need ryou to even bypass
what king and kaido can take is not comparable
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Oh yeah, forgot that. Maybe you're right then. Let's see how it goes.

Also, going by your pfp, it looks like you're Team Kong. Good choice I must say. :cheers:
 
Doggo

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#93
#93
HA001 said:
The strength does matter
the stronger they are the more they have to teach
never said he was near mihawk once
the point was very clear
his training pushes him more than what sanji did and the results show
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"the stronger they are, the more they have to teach".
My man, you are not even wrong.
And by that I mean, what you are saying have no correlation at all, so you can't even be wrong about it. because it makes no sense.
 
HA001

HA001

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#94
#94
Kromage911 said:
Men were basically fodder, don't really count tbh.
Young Ashura not prime Ashura.
I feel like the power-scaling is wonky but yeah, on second thoughts he actually might and you may be right.


Oh yeah, forgot that. Maybe you're right then. Let's see how it goes.

Also, going by your pfp, it looks like you're Team Kong. Good choice I must say. :cheers:
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was on the fence until the trailer until i saw kong with the axe it swayed me
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Doggo said:
"the stronger they are, the more they have to teach".
My man, you are not even wrong.
And by that I mean, what you are saying have no correlation at all, so you can't even be wrong about it. because it makes no sense.
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What part of it do you not understand ?
Mihawk and ray are really strong -> they are haki masters
they are haki masters -> have more to teach about haki
mihawk and ray are really strong -> they have a load of battle experience
they have a load of battle experience -> they have more to teach

so in what way does the strength of the teacher not play a factor

you think if coby was trained by a random marine instead of garp he would rise like he is ?
 
Luffy is the mc

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#96
#96
Luffy vs slightly weakened Kaido 1v1, not a fan of the group fight
Zoro vs Big Mom using her sword, just a few clashes
Zoro vs King, he needs a proper 1v1
Sanji vs Queen, he needs to regain some credibility

Some good moments for Yamato, Carrot and Nami, not necessarily 1v1
 
nik87

nik87

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#98
#98
Kromage911 said:
Why don't you wanna see Zoro fight a proper high diff 1v1 which he hasn't since a long time and then go and fight Kaido? I will never understand that.
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The better scenario is fighting two emperors, killing Kaido and then, while exhausted, fighting King.
However, I am not sure if members of BP would still be fighting after they see their strongest being killed.
In a meritocracy, they follow the strongest so with Kaido killed, they would probably bend the knee to Zoro.
 
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