General & Others For my fellow Naruto fans, can Oda give OP a worse ending than shinobi war?
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At least in Odas defense he ruined his series a bit earlier than Kishimotos war arc so there's more time to course correct
Madara was the goat, and is Narutos Kaido
Itachi is the best Naruto villain after Pain
At least in Odas defense he ruined his series a bit earlier than Kishimotos war arc so there's more time to course correct
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Madara was the goat, and is Narutos Kaido
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I feel it's a bit disingenuous to label her the final villain when she exist between 680-690. Also, just ignoring Madara for no reason; I don't know if you're just trying to give Oda more points by comparision. I'm too much of a Narutard to let it slide.
I don't think Imu has "hardcore prep". They were introduced as a silhouette, then the "empty throne" concept was introduced 2 chapters later. That's not very organic. For organic foreshadowing, how about we look at Madara Uchiha, naruto's penultimate villain.
In chapter 225, Itachi just drops this line and leaves.
In 234 we get a bit of context, but they never say "this is the guy Itachi was talking about."
(Side note: If I was as generous as an average one piece enjoyer. I would call this intentional pre-planned god level Ashura/Indra foreshadowing. )
Chapter 309 we finally get a name drop.
(maybe it is time to start considering this ashura/indra stuff)
Then itachi reveals that he's alive we know the rest. This shyt is organic, slow, and the payoff was great.
He comes back in the final arc at chapter 559 and rocks the arc until chapter 679. You can't just prop up a 10 chapter villain and downplay a 119 chapter one.
I don't think Imu has "hardcore prep". They were introduced as a silhouette, then the "empty throne" concept was introduced 2 chapters later. That's not very organic. For organic foreshadowing, how about we look at Madara Uchiha, naruto's penultimate villain.
In chapter 225, Itachi just drops this line and leaves.
In 234 we get a bit of context, but they never say "this is the guy Itachi was talking about."
(Side note: If I was as generous as an average one piece enjoyer. I would call this intentional pre-planned god level Ashura/Indra foreshadowing. )
Chapter 309 we finally get a name drop.
(maybe it is time to start considering this ashura/indra stuff)
Then itachi reveals that he's alive we know the rest. This shyt is organic, slow, and the payoff was great.
He comes back in the final arc at chapter 559 and rocks the arc until chapter 679. You can't just prop up a 10 chapter villain and downplay a 119 chapter one.
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One piss is already getting worse than Naruto lol
I'd say Wano Is on par if not worse than the Shinobi war, plus Naruto's climax with the Sasuke v Naruto fight and the few chapters after that was somewhat decent.
One Piss will be much more hurt by a bad ending since you have built up the mystery for a few decades and not being able to deliver on that will make even rereads worse.
I'd say Wano Is on par if not worse than the Shinobi war, plus Naruto's climax with the Sasuke v Naruto fight and the few chapters after that was somewhat decent.
One Piss will be much more hurt by a bad ending since you have built up the mystery for a few decades and not being able to deliver on that will make even rereads worse.
This by far is what will probably make OP worse than Naruto in the long run. Naruto's Shinobi War was a godawful mess, but it wasn't the core focus of the entirety of Naruto's story, nor did said story constantly revolve around a single grand macguffin from the start or a legendary figure who Naruto wants to emulate. Naruto's goal has always been to be hokage, but no because he wanted to follow in someone's footsteps or because "I just want to", as Oda's depiction of Luffy's rapidly decaying mindset keeps enforcing, but because he grew up unloved and unwanted (and Sarutobi was a shitty caretaker) and wanted to prove to the world he wasn't useless, and even if Naruto's story of coming from a mediocre upbringing was ruined by having him be the descendant/heir of legendary figures, the core of his story can still be salvaged by the simple fact that he still had a shitty life and was able to prove the naysayers wrong and get the shitty ancestral/sage powers he got by moving forward and struggling against freaks of nature when all he had was clones with weak taijutsu, a spinning blue ball, and an apathetic demon fox who wanted to kill him for half his life. Until Boruto shat all over that... but most ignore it anyway so let's skip that ass wagon for now.
One Piece though isn't so lucky. It has made most of its identity and even the title of its series centered around the lone macguffin that is the One Piece itself as well as the title of Pirate King and the mysteries of Roger himself. Now he keeps trying to move the goal posts with more ridiculous stakes with no reveals, to the point where he had to cook up Pirate God Joyboy, because he knows he can't make the reveal satisfying enough to justify the length. These ridiculous attempts at grabbing attention combined with the declining quality of his story almost assures that the ending won't be worth the 30 years of wait. It also doesn't help that Wano and Egghead are both on par or almost on par with the Shinobi War arc, minus killing off or crippling fan favorite characters like Neji (if Eustass Kidd counts as the Neji and Gai for now).
One Piece though isn't so lucky. It has made most of its identity and even the title of its series centered around the lone macguffin that is the One Piece itself as well as the title of Pirate King and the mysteries of Roger himself. Now he keeps trying to move the goal posts with more ridiculous stakes with no reveals, to the point where he had to cook up Pirate God Joyboy, because he knows he can't make the reveal satisfying enough to justify the length. These ridiculous attempts at grabbing attention combined with the declining quality of his story almost assures that the ending won't be worth the 30 years of wait. It also doesn't help that Wano and Egghead are both on par or almost on par with the Shinobi War arc, minus killing off or crippling fan favorite characters like Neji (if Eustass Kidd counts as the Neji and Gai for now).
One Piece fights were just as good or better than Naruto's before haki was introduced, so I wouldn't call them shitty outside of maybe the art design. Although Kishimoto's art went to hell after Samurai 8.
As for lore, Egghead was the perfect time to start dropping some actual world building. Not major stuff like Joyboy or the Void Century, but at the very least basic long-running mysteries like how objects can become Zoans, what SMILE is, how Vegapunk made artificial devil fruits, how he mass produces seastone, or how if Devil Fruits are desires then what is the impetus for their manifestations as fruits and why only as fruits? LOda ages ago hinted that a certain scientist would reveal these mysteries but all we got were a lot of ambiguous explanations, a message of revelations whose only new fact was that the world is sinking, and an introduction to the worst keikaku ever conceived.
As for lore, Egghead was the perfect time to start dropping some actual world building. Not major stuff like Joyboy or the Void Century, but at the very least basic long-running mysteries like how objects can become Zoans, what SMILE is, how Vegapunk made artificial devil fruits, how he mass produces seastone, or how if Devil Fruits are desires then what is the impetus for their manifestations as fruits and why only as fruits? LOda ages ago hinted that a certain scientist would reveal these mysteries but all we got were a lot of ambiguous explanations, a message of revelations whose only new fact was that the world is sinking, and an introduction to the worst keikaku ever conceived.
