Versus Battle Frieza (DBZ) vs Garou (OPM)

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Cuistot

#21
Depends if Garou can evolve enough to the point where he can overwhelm Frieza. He ws still growing while fighting Saitama, it's just that his growth rate was eclipsed.

Depends what mood Frieza is in, I can see him edging out an extreme diff win or getting one shotted.
Shit tier analysis, i expected better from you. The key to either of them winning is to train under Koga for one year.
 

RayanOO

Lazy is the way
#23
Removing Garou growth rate and only take Garou at his best in the manga

I don’t think he can beat Freeza at full power

Final form Freeza can destroy planets (Earth Size) without even trying. Freeze can destroy Jupiter

But Garou is a better fighter and can teleport now

And if Freeza is slacking Garou can adapt and maybe surpass him
 
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Cuistot

#24
Removing Garou growth rate and only take Garou at his best in the manga

I don’t think he can beat Freeza at full power

Final form Freeza can destroy planets (Earth Size) without even trying. Freeze can destroy Jupiter
At his best includes his growth rate though, why would you take that away lol, i'm not trying to nerf anyone.

Final form Freeza can destroy planets (Earth Size) without even trying. Freeze can destroy Jupiter
Even lowballing the Serious Punch Squared i think it's hard to argue sub-star level for Garou, which is roughly where Frieza is at too iirc.
 
#27
DBZ Freeza gets stomped; the serious punch clash of Garou and Saitama destroyed millions of stars. How's Freeza gonna keep up with that? Also, Saitama was so fast, he made constellations on the moon. Garou was comparable to Saitama in this moment.

However, when it comes to DBS Freeza, he stomps the verse.
 

RayanOO

Lazy is the way
#28
DBZ Freeza gets stomped; the serious punch clash of Garou and Saitama destroyed millions of stars
I think that feat is a little weird. It must also have the power of Blast and his gang.

Because when Saitama grew far stronger and sneezed half of Jupiter it was meant to be a huge deal and show Saitama ridiculous power

I doubt that Saitama and Garou at the beginning of the fight can destroy hundreds of stars at an insane distance.
Their feats just after that don’t match
 
#29
I mean going by that logic, blowing up the planet is still considered top tier stuff by Android and Buu Saga.

Blast contributed nothing to the blast beyond directing it away from Earth with help.
 
#30
What i'm saying is their punches colliding produced a far more powerful explosion than if they were to launch the attack individually.
what you have to consider is that.. that was when both saitama and garou were exponentially growing while fighting each other and that is exactly reason why saitama just obliterated garou..

the point is.. garou was logical exponentially stronger (several times stronger ) than when they had "serious punch²" collision..
even if you wanna argue that Garuo, near the end of the fight, wasn't strong enough to replicate that level of energy by their SP collision .. you can't no way argue that his full power at the end wasn't even close to that energy which imo he surpassed pretty much later on .. as again its graphically demonstrated Garuo was exponentially growing.
 
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Cuistot

#31
I think that feat is a little weird. It must also have the power of Blast and his gang.
All they did was redirect the attack, the force is 100% Saitama and Garou.

The sneeze was just that, a sneeze, low effort and can wipe out a large planet, doesn't really contradict anything tbh. Full power Frieza destroyed an island and Z fighters shat their pants at the grandiose display of power, even though they were all above planet busting lmfao. You gotta address DBZ anti-feats too if you go that route.
 
#32
DBS Frieza still thinks planet busting power is incredible


At this point in the story where he’s in a tournament with a whole group of fighters that can pop entire universes

So yeah, let’s not use Saitama busting Jupiter as the only benchmark. Especially since that was accomplished with just a sneeze
 
#33
I think that feat is a little weird. It must also have the power of Blast and his gang.

Because when Saitama grew far stronger and sneezed half of Jupiter it was meant to be a huge deal and show Saitama ridiculous power
It's basically what Cuistot said:

All they did was redirect the attack, the force is 100% Saitama and Garou.

The sneeze was just that, a sneeze, low effort and can wipe out a large planet, doesn't really contradict anything tbh. Full power Frieza destroyed an island and Z fighters shat their pants at the grandiose display of power, even though they were all above planet busting lmfao. You gotta address DBZ anti-feats too if you go that route.

Furthermore, Beerus destroying a planet with his finger was also highlighted as a huge feat in DBS. Ironically, the same character managed to destroy a planet by sneezing as well.

I don't see how Saitama destroying Jupiter by his sneeze contradicts the larger feat. Also, Garou pulled a Gamma Ray Burst on his own which is a large star level attack.

Freeza destroys large planets with his higher end attacks and he usually aims at the core which causes a chain reaction which destroys the planet in return. Meanwhile Saitama basically yeeted the planet by his sneeze. Garou and Saitama destroyed numerous stars by clashing. Garou is also faster than Freeza. I don't see how Garou can't take it.
 
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Cuistot

#34
Furthermore, Beerus destroying a planet with his finger was also highlighted as a huge feat in DBS. Ironically, the same character managed to destroy a planet by sneezing as well.
And Beerus is supposed to be what, low multiversal ? I also remember Goku getting damaged by a train lmfao. Super is just a clownfest when it comes to anti-feats.

I only think this is a debate cause i'm not sure if the power of the Serious Punch Squared is truly squared or not. If it is, that means it may not be indicative of their actual AP.
 

RayanOO

Lazy is the way
#35
Meanwhile Saitama basically yeeted the planet by his sneeze. Garou and Saitama destroyed numerous stars by clashing.
That saitama was like 10 times stronger that at the beginning of the fight

And don’t tell me this



Wasn’t more hyped than this


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If beginning of the fight both fighters were lot more than stars level then what about at its end ?

 
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Cuistot

#36
If beginning of the fight both fighters were lot more than stars level then what about at its end ?
You're focusing too much on Saitama, this is Garou's fight. What is your point anyway ? You didn't address anything above either. End of namek Z fighters were scared shitless by Frieza blowing up an island, what does it say ?
 

RayanOO

Lazy is the way
#37
What is your point anyway ?
My point is : during their clash with serious punch Saitama and Garou weren’t able to blow out hundreds of stars at great distance.

Garou was likely « just » a little bit above planet level with Gama ray and even more serious mode saitama serious punch. But he wasn’t a multiple stars destroyer
 
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Cuistot

#38
My point is : during their clash with serious punch Saitama and Garou weren’t able to blow out hundreds of stars at great distance.
But it's shown on panel ? I take it you basically want to claim it's an outlier correct ? Why not do the same for Frieza then ? He vaped planet Vegeta in his first form then never pulled a feat half as destructive ever again.
 

RayanOO

Lazy is the way
#39
But it's shown on panel ? I take it you basically want to claim it's an outlier correct ? Why not do the same for Frieza then ? He vaped planet Vegeta in his first form then never pulled a feat half as destructive as that ever again.
It’s not even an outlier, it straight up doesn’t make sense.

Either those shiny things were not big stars or moon but little things asteroids etc
Either when then redirected the blast they add powers.
Either I don’t know but we wrongly analyse that they have the power to vaporize hundreds of stars I don’t know how far away.

Just to know how strong is that feat if you think they can destroy so many stars that far away ? Solar system level ?
And when he grew like 5/10 times stronger ? He was multiple solar system ?

Never in the série it was implied that guy was solar system level. Especially when you see his fight with Saitama and the fact that Saitama table flip and Jupiter sneeze were hyped a lot.
 
#40
Bringing up anti feats in regards to Garou's and Saitama's "multi solarsystem busting" feat isn't that good when DBZ has countless anti feats. No joke.
I've seen plenty of threads in CV; they had entire lists of massive anti feats.

I don't think it's that bad when Garou was shocked of Saitama sneezing Jupiter away.

Edit: Yep, Saitama's strength grew exponentially after that multi solarsystem level feat but I don't think this contradicts the stars busting feat? I mean, Android Saga Z fighters are massively stronger than Namek Saga Freeza, yet they didn't show better AP feats than Freeza. Semi Perfect Cell was also hyped for busting islands.
 
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