Versus Battle Frieza (DBZ) vs Garou (OPM)

[RayanOO]

Why not do the same for Frieza then ? He vaped planet Vegeta in his first form then never pulled a feat half as destructive as that ever again

Because it’s not the same thing at all
Even if Freeza didn’t do it again :

we know that his base form is LOt stronger than saiyan saga végéta that can blow the moon.

and we know that his final form is like 100 million units and it’s LOoOOOoOT stronger than Végéta.

So we obviously know he can bust planet even if not shown

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It’s not an anti feat

Anti feat is like Luffy not reaction to gazelle man when we all know he can move 100000 times faster than him.

Here I claim Garou was never as strong as people are claiming

 

[Cuistot]

I don't think it's that bad when Garou was shocked of Saitama sneezing Jupiter away.

I really don't see how Saitama sneezing a large planet away is somehow supposed to make his previous feat an outlier ? A sneeze is so laughably low effort compared to throwing a punch it's not even funny.

Just to know how strong is that feat if you think they can destroy so many stars that far away ? Solar system level ?
And when he grew like 5/10 times stronger ? He was multiple solar system ?

Never in the série it was implied that guy was solar system level. Especially when you see his fight with Saitama and the fact that Saitama table flip and Jupiter sneeze were hyped a lot.

Bro, there is nothing that can't be easily explained. Garou recieved a powerup from a fucking diety and Saitama' limits were never previously shown. It doesn't contradict anything at all.

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Here I claim Garou was never as strong as people are claiming

I don't believe he is multi solar system either, but for a different reasons than you.

 

[RayanOO]

A sneeze is so laughably low effort compared to throwing a punch it's not even funny.

Any serious series is better than normal attack.

Serious sneeze had two color pages to show how powerful it was.

The Jupiter sneeze was clearly the best feat of this fight and it’s highlight outside of the time reverse shit.

It doesn't contradict anything at all.

Yes them being solar system before growth contradicts lots of things : Garou feats before against Saitama and against Blast. It contradicts Saitama serious punch against Boros. Contradicts the fact they both fought after that in a moon and just destroyed it. Contradicts the fact that sneezing Jupiter was hyper so much and a lot more than destroying hundreds of foreign « stars ».

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I don't believe he is multi solar system either, but for a different reasons than you.

What do you mean ?

 

[Cuistot]

It contradicts Saitama serious punch against Boros.

Huh ? He didn't give shit about Boros, while right after he and Garou flew to Jupiter he admits he's finally able to go all out. Those two punches are nowhere the same amount of power.

We're going in circles dude, you insist so much on this feat not making sense but refuse to apply that same logic to DBZ for some reason. Idgaf what scaling Frieza gets from Vegeta, matter of the fact is he shits his pants at planet busting power.

What do you mean ?

I'm arguing that if the punch is squared as the name suggests it might not be fully reflective of their individual AP, not cause it's inconsistent. Still, Garou should be close to Frieza's star level power.

 

[Bob74h]

Where do you place his power ? From what i've seen the Serious Punch squared is pretty divisive. But arguments for it being legit > arguments against imo.

Mostly salty hst stans


Like even without the star level feat, the juptier sneeze still objectively is above anything hst has ever shown

I mean so was the saitama meteor feat back in season 1 but i digress

 

[Dark Hound]

Namek saga Frieza got cold feet trying to destroy Namek in one blow.

Garou punched Saitama into the sun to blow it up

 

[Bob74h]

Huh ? He didn't give shit about Boros, while right after he and Garou flew to Jupiter he admits he's finally able to go all out. Those two punches are nowhere the same amount of power.

Boros was nearly a fight for pre garou fight saitama

But he was never a real fight as saitama states that garou was the first real fight

Saitama got stronger in the garou fight due to emotion

 

[RayanOO]

you insist so much on this feat not making sense but refuse to apply that same logic to DBZ for some reason.

I already answered about this :

- first it was already established that Freeza destroyed a planet (Vegeta)
- his power level in final form is quite above people who can destroy moons
- DBZ showing is way weirder than OPM. OPM is way more « realistic » : either with speed, destructions etc

you insist so much on this feat not making sense

it doesn’t make sense compared to ALL feats prior and after.

Solar system Garou is weird as fuck and unreal compared to what OPM showed us in the whole manga

And the fact that it was even before the exponential growth of Garou and Saitama

 

[Bob74h]

- first it was already established that Freeza destroyed a planet (Vegeta)

All we know about vegeta size wise was that it's a planet
Saitama sneezed away a larger planet then earth, juptier

if you wanna talk about feats, garou has freeza beat

 

[Cuistot]

- first it was already established that Freeza destroyed a planet (Vegeta)
- his power level in final form is quite above people who can destroy moons

Yeah, Garou and Saitama don't have much to scale to, but their limits were never shown before, so still nothing is contradicted.

Solar system Garou is weird as fuck and unreal compared to what OPM showed us in the whole manga

That was the intent, he got an insane power boost.

Where exactly do you place him though ? He doesn't need to be solar system level to beat Frieza, that's around Perfect Cell's ballpark.

 

[RayanOO]

Where exactly do you place him though ? He doesn't need to be solar system level to beat Frieza, that's around Perfect Cell's ballpark.

Lol I know and I never said Garou couldn’t beat Frieza.

I think Garou is around large planet level. Garou before growing couldn’t have destroyed the earth with Gama ray and serious punch like. At least devastate it.

I think post growth he could have destroyed a large planet when all out.

 

[Cuistot]

I think Garou is around large planet level. Garou before growing couldn’t have destroyed the earth with Gama ray and serious punch like. At least devastate it.

Large planet is like first form Frieza level. There's no way he grows enough to match him at full power then, he'll just get one-shotted.

 

[RayanOO]

Large planet is like first form Frieza level. There's no way he grow enough to match him at full power then, he'll just get one-shotted.

I don’t think Garou could have destroyed the sun or something like that, big star seems a lot. Destroying something like Jupiter is maybe Garou best in my book

 

[Eagle]

Frieza wins.

 

[Sentinel]

Frieza wins.

With what feats? DBZ Freezer gets murked.

 

[Eagle]

With what feats? DBZ Freezer gets murked.

can't even be ignorant on this forum anymore?

 

[Cuistot]

I re-read bits of this fight @RayanOO and for what it’s worth, i think this feat consists of Garou producing a massive earth+ sized nuclear fission blast :

it’s a bit confusing but that’s the only explanation for it. He didn’t throw Saitama into the sun as it’s far too small even with the perspective.

Point being : nuclear fission are relatively weak-ish moves, nowhere near the Serious Punches copied from Saitama or even the Gamma Ray Burst. His peak can’t be large planet.

 

[RayanOO]

I re-read bits of this fight @RayanOO and for what it’s worth, i think this feat consists of Garou producing a massive earth+ sized nuclear fission blast :

it’s a bit confusing but that’s the only explanation for it. He didn’t throw Saitama into the sun as it’s far too small even with the perspective.

Point being : nuclear fission are relatively weak-ish moves, nowhere near the Serious Punches copied from Saitama or even the Gamma Ray Burst. His peak can’t be large planet.

You have to take into account the perspective, its quite hard to scale the size of that nuclear punch. They were already quite far from Jupiter thanks to the serious sneeze.

But yeah it’s not small. And even if it’s moon size it’s big.

I agree too that serious punch is stronger overall. Even if Garou chose nuclear punch this time to block Saitama.

But this Garou is like quite stronger than the beginning of the fight one.

Garou and Saitama around equaled serious punch’s couldn’t have destroyed like 300 stars at far distance.

Overall putting Garou above large planet / large planet + is weird to me.

 

[matt245]

If it's Z then Cosmic Garou stands a solid chance. If it's Super Frieza solos him and the verse ☠️

 

[Cuistot]

You have to take into account the perspective, its quite hard to scale the size of that nuclear punch. They were already quite far from Jupiter thanks to the serious sneeze.

Impossible to scale the exact size but you can tell it's pretty massive, moon is a lowball imo, but somewhat reasonable i guess.

But this Garou is like quite stronger than the beginning of the fight one.

Garou and Saitama around equaled serious punch’s couldn’t have destroyed like 300 stars at far distance.

His own power/durability/speed did evolve a lot. Not sure it works like that for copied abilities though. I think he can just mimic anything up to a certain point, hence he eventually got dusted by Saitama.

Do i think he can bust a solar system or more on his own ? No way. By copying the strength of much more powerful characters like Saitama ? Possibly. Reason you don't buy into the feat is cause you underestimate Garou's power mimicry, it's waaaay beyond what he can dish out normally.