Questions & Mysteries From a plot point of view, why you think Zoro didn't meet Vergo?

[Fn Lucci]

How many bones did he crack against Kuroobi and Mr 2....did he lose ? No....

Theres nothing delusional about it. He never said what would happen. Just that the outcome would've been bad if they carried on fighting. Could've meant the Shinokuni gas would kill them. Could also mean Sanji would be more injured than he was when he fought Vergo. It could've meant a lot of things....

He was evenly matched against Bon, Oda made that clear the whole fight. That is, Sanji wasn't taking damage he couldn't reciprocate. Vergo clearly had way more in his tank, Sanji even made an allusion to his durability when he did a no-sell on that big opening kick he ate. Meanwhile Bon was overly expressive.

Kuroobi I don't remember as well but without being in the water he didn't last long. Vergo had no advantage to lose, only gain as we saw.

Gin was arguably less hurt from Sanji's kicks than Sanji himself. The beating from Pearl took a toll. At best, this is what you can give Sanji vs Vergo.

And you're deflecting with mentioning Shinokuni but it doesn't hold up. Sanji winced in pain only for someone else to comment on it before he had his inner thought.

 

[Vicks Nosferatu]

Yeah, Sanjis AP wasn’t nerf, his body was just already falling apart so his durability did.

Just like Zoros AP didn’t get nerfed in his Asura attack against Kaido because as he said he put everything he had into that attack.

Usopp took the same damage as Nami in Sanjis boddyThe rest arc Usopp wasn’t bitching and moaning like you Sanji gans

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Usopp took the same damage as Nami in Sanjis boddyThe rest arc Usopp wasn’t bitching and moaning like you Sanji gans

Usopp didn’t fight anyone... nor does he fight in close combat...

 

[Vicks Nosferatu]

Usopp didn’t fight anyone... nor does he fight in close combat...

He still tanked and moved forward Usopp ate it and Sanji still got wrecked There’s no nerf just excusesUnless you huysw saying Usopp has better durable than sanji

 

[Tigapedang]

Zoro can one shotted everyone in the PH ....
Vergo is just a fodder to zoro

Hakai set the bar so high
Then zoro can injured kaido while being half dead, set the bar even higher.....
No villain is worthy for zoro before wano arc

 

[Chrono]

He was evenly matched against Bon, Oda made that clear the whole fight. That is, Sanji wasn't taking damage he couldn't reciprocate. Vergo clearly had way more in his tank, Sanji even made an allusion to his durability when he did a no-sell on that big opening kick he ate. Meanwhile Bon was overly expressive.

Kuroobi I don't remember as well but without being in the water he didn't last long. Vergo had no advantage to lose, only gain as we saw.

Gin was arguably less hurt from Sanji's kicks than Sanji himself. The beating from Pearl took a toll. At best, this is what you can give Sanji vs Vergo.

And you're deflecting with mentioning Shinokuni but it doesn't hold up. Sanji winced in pain only for someone else to comment on it before he had his inner thought.

Yes and Sanji was clealy superior to Vergo. He only made one mistake in blocking his kick. Underestimating the injuiries he already had. And with that one mistake Vergo wasnt even able to get himself into a better position. Sanji still dodged and parried with his kicks right after getting his shin cracked. Sanji has shown that he can overwhelm Vergo with DJ. And Sanji didnt even use CoA and HM..... He also still had a lot left in his tank.

Sanji was potrayed to be the superior fighter in his fight with Vergo. He overwhelmed him, his kicks could always send him flying. The only time Vergo landed a hit on Sanji's body....and he couldnt even push him back. Sanji could dodge his kicks even whilst in pain.

I am not deflecting. Sanji barely escaped through the door. Had his fight with Vergo carried on for a few more seconds....the door would be locked and he would be stuck with the gas that kills him.
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He still tanked and moved forward
Usopp ate it and Sanji still got wrecked
There’s no nerf just excuses
Unless you huysw saying Usopp has better durable than sanji

That's so retarded. Usopp never fought anyone after the explosion. Sanji fought Vergo. Had Usopp fought Vergo....he'd literally have been snapped in half. What kind of logic is this....

 

[Sir Yasheen]

He still tanked and moved forward
Usopp ate it and Sanji still got wrecked
There’s no nerf just excuses
Unless you huysw saying Usopp has better durable than sanji

Sanji didn’t mention anything till he got punched too.

 

[Orojackson Refugee]

And Sanji didnt even use CoA and HM..... He also still had a lot left in his tank.

shitji fans and their copes
DJ is crack leg's serious mode. Your boy got trashed by vergo who didn't even bother to use his signature weapon.

 

[Finalbeta]

Yes and Sanji was clealy superior to Vergo. He only made one mistake in blocking his kick. Underestimating the injuiries he already had. And with that one mistake Vergo wasnt even able to get himself into a better position. Sanji still dodged and parried with his kicks right after getting his shin cracked. Sanji has shown that he can overwhelm Vergo with DJ. And Sanji didnt even use CoA and HM..... He also still had a lot left in his tank.

Sanji was potrayed to be the superior fighter in his fight with Vergo. He overwhelmed him, his kicks could always send him flying. The only time Vergo landed a hit on Sanji's body....and he couldnt even push him back. Sanji could dodge his kicks even whilst in pain.

I am not deflecting. Sanji barely escaped through the door. Had his fight with Vergo carried on for a few more seconds....the door would be locked and he would be stuck with the gas that kills him.
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That's so retarded. Usopp never fought anyone after the explosion. Sanji fought Vergo. Had Usopp fought Vergo....he'd literally have been snapped in half. What kind of logic is this....

Chrono you typing as if Vergo used his full power. He was relying on basic kicks and not on his FBH mode, look how more potent he turned against Smoker when he started to rely on it.

 

[Julius]

Someone needed to get used as someking of a hypetool for Vergo, as his best feat was to beat Smoker, Sanji did more damage with 1 kick than Smoker with 300 blows with Haki, Sanji didn't used haki (especially based on future events, where Sanji did used haki), he understimated Vergo even himself being injured from previous events, got too cocky by how easy it was to trash Vergo and got punished by that, even then he kept trading blows with Vergo.
Zoro's best feat at that time was to get neg diffed by Fujitora single handedly and getting helped to fly and cut Pica with a new named attack, who was trying to harm random for the whole Dressrosa arc, now imagine Pica trying to hit Sanji lmao, even Vergo couldn't

Obviously Vergo is on another league compared to Pica, he is a Vice Admiral, right hand to Doffy, Rokushiki master (Tekkai, Skywalk, Soru and stuff), Sanji said that his body was hard like a mass of iron, and keep in mind that Vergo's full Haki mode doesn't show his legs covered up with haki so we can't confirm if Vergo did used haki, what we have is Vergo using haki even on his elbow against Smoker and the fact that Sanji made him pissed to the point of where we can barely see his leg is something...

Oda wouldn't want to put Vergo to lose against Zoro or Sanji obviously, cuz he would given the circumstances, the lethal gas coming right away to the room where Sanji was fighting Vergo made their fight end right there.

Imagine calling this an L when Sanji trashed a Vice Admiral Doffy's right hand with 2 blows, saved Tashigi and the random Marines, gave a speech about his Captain (a true left hand here), dodged all the attack, pissed his enemy with ease, and then got a bit hurt by understimating his opponent BUT YET kept trading kicks with him until needing to leave due to a gas then passing the whole arc without giving a shit to his "iNjuRE"

The argue that "Vergo wasn't trying" is so bad cuz Vergo's reaction when he was being punched or kicked and about to die was literally this:

You can even bring Doflamingo getting wrecked by Gear 4 while smiling somehow

 

[Olimaat]

Because Monet is a woman and Vergo is a guy !

 

[Peroroncino]

Zoro is known to one shot people who use full body haki

 

[Vicks Nosferatu]

Sanji didn’t mention anything till he got punched too.

Still caught bitching

 

[Finalbeta]

Zoro is known to one shot people who use full body haki

Because that full body haki wasn't good enough for the Grandmaster's AP

 

[draganax]

zoro felt vergo's aura he just didn't give a fuck

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didn't luffy survived gastanet without a scratch, if sanji got nerfed that much from the same attack that only means he was already weak in the first place

 

[Julius]

zoro felt vergo's aura he just didn't give a fuck

Spoiler

didn't luffy survived gastanet without a scratch, if sanji got nerfed that much from the same attack that only means he was already weak in the first place

That proves that only Zoro and Sanji sensed Vergo and they knew he wasn't a regular one, Zoro just didn't felt it was necessary to go to him not just because you can't necessarily know who your opponent is just by using CoO but Zoro didn't had any motivation to go check it out, Sanji's CoO specialization is what made the difference here (especially cuz it was a woman in danger), what did you expect? to Zoro or Sanji shit their pants cuz they're in front of considerably strong opponent? When did that happened? You're making it look like Zoro gave more shit about Monet than Vergo :zorothink: (which makes no sense)

It means that understimating your opponent, who was a rokushiki master with a body hard as fck may get a you hurt, especially if Sanji didn't used haki and let Vergo blitz him, and thats exactly what happened, it's similar to the situation with Killer and Zoro, after he K.Oed Killer he realized he messed up by getting easily distracted and let Killer lend an heavy injure.
The fact that Law was used to deal with Vergo it's not just more wise based on Law's backstory, but his DF powers gave him a huge advantage on the fight by avoiding pure physical combat
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He still tanked and moved forward
Usopp ate it and Sanji still got wrecked
There’s no nerf just excuses
Unless you huysw saying Usopp has better durable than sanji

Except that Usopp didn't fought anyone strong like Vergo (he couldn't anyway), and where did Sanji was bitching about the injure? He just felt pain right after getting injured

 

[draganax]

That proves that only Zoro and Sanji sensed Vergo and they knew he wasn't a regular one, Zoro just didn't felt it was necessary to go to him not just because you can't necessarily know who your opponent is just by using CoO but Zoro didn't had any motivation to go check it out, Sanji's CoO specialization is what made the difference here (especially cuz it was a woman in danger), what did you expect? to Zoro or Sanji shit their pants cuz they're in front of considerably strong opponent? When did that happened? You're making it look like Zoro gave more shit about Monet than Vergo :zorothink:

It means that understimating your opponent, who was a rokushiki master with a body hard as fck may get a you hurt, especially if Sanji didn't used haki and let Vergo blitz him, and thats exactly what happened, it's similar to the situation with Killer and Zoro, after he K.Oed Killer he realized he messed up by getting easily distracted and let Killer lend an heavy injure.
The fact that Law was used to deal with Vergo it's not just more wise based on Law's backstory, but his DF powers gave him a huge advantage on the fight by avoiding pure physical combat

i don't think sanji's case was different because his a coo specialist, it's just that zoro can't be bothered by the teardrop of a female enemy
vergo was not stronger than zoro though
and zoro didn't give a shit about monet either, he was just stopping her from getting to his friends, and the only reason he defeated her was because she took so much time and he needed to get going
vergo didn't use tekkai nor armament against sanji, and neither did sanji, it's that vergo's body was tougher than that of sanji, even if they did vergo wa clearly superior to sanji in every aspect, i just wish that fight never happened, if sanji's CoO was as good as people think it is he should've known better than to underestimate vergo, sanji had two free kicks on vergo using diable jambe which ignore's tekkai, and vergo was clearly damaged from it, sanji's problem is not that he lacks strength, but it's that his body is not durable, he is a glass canon
it's been established that sanji's body can't withstand the full power of his kicks in baratie and against kuma (by virtue of not developing an exoskeleton), so it makes sense that an opponent with equal AP to sanji would destroy sanji very quickly, especially if that opponent has superior CoA
i still don't understand how was law able to defeat vergo

 

[Julius]

i don't think sanji's case was different because his a coo specialist, it's just that zoro can't be bothered by the teardrop of a female enemy
vergo was not stronger than zoro though
and zoro didn't give a shit about monet either, he was just stopping her from getting to his friends, and the only reason he defeated her was because she took so much time and he needed to get going
vergo didn't use tekkai nor armament against sanji, and neither did sanji, it's that vergo's body was tougher than that of sanji, even if they did vergo wa clearly superior to sanji in every aspect, i just wish that fight never happened, if sanji's CoO was as good as people think it is he should've known better than to underestimate vergo, sanji had two free kicks on vergo using diable jambe which ignore's tekkai, and vergo was clearly damaged from it, sanji's problem is not that he lacks strength, but it's that his body is not durable, he is a glass canon
it's been established that sanji's body can't withstand the full power of his kicks in baratie and against kuma (by virtue of not developing an exoskeleton), so it makes sense that an opponent with equal AP to sanji would destroy sanji very quickly, especially if that opponent has superior CoA
i still don't understand how was law able to defeat vergo

Vergo is the strongest Rokushiki Master who was able to showcase his abilities until now, Tekkai users (Rokushiki masters in general) dont need to say "Tekkai" everytime in order to have Tekkai activated, it was shown many times during Water 7/Enies Lobby with Luffy, Zoro and Sanji's match ups, the fact that a melee/physical fighter of Sanji's caliber was able to notice that Vergo's body wasn't regular means that Sanji was not just kicking without haki but Vergo wasn't playing around, and yet Sanji let Vergo blitz him and got punished by that, then he must've started to take it seriously, being able to keep trading kicks with Vergo (and now maybe using haki) or even dodging his next moves (something he could've done before)

It was never presented Sanji being a glass canon, Zoro uses swords to fight, Luffy is a paramecia user which helps him tanking hits in many different ways, it's completely understandable that pre timeskip Sanji would hurt his body more than Luffy and Zoro. During Whole Cake and especially at Wano his base durability and CoA is just showing off to be pretty damn decent in both defense and attack, he let himself get bullied by Black Maria and now he acts like it wasn't nothing.
It's the same shit again, Zoro got impaled by Killer's random scythes cuz he FUCKED UP at that specific moment, it doesn't mean that his durability is non existant or that it would happen again if Zoro was more aware of the situation he was in

 

[draganax]

Vergo is the strongest Rokushiki Master who was able to showcase his abilities until now, Tekkai users (Rokushiki masters in general) dont need to say "Tekkai" everytime in order to have Tekkai activated, it was shown many times during Water 7/Enies Lobby with Luffy, Zoro and Sanji's match ups, the fact that a melee/physical fighter of Sanji's caliber was able to notice that Vergo's body wasn't regular means that Sanji was not just kicking without haki but Vergo wasn't playing around, and yet Sanji let Vergo blitz him and got punished by that, then he must've started to take it seriously, being able to keep trading kicks with Vergo or even dodging his next moves (something he could've done before)

It was never presented Sanji being a glass canon, Zoro uses swords to fight, Luffy is a paramecia user which helps him tanking hits in many different ways, it's completely understandable that pre timeskip Sanji would hurt his body more than Luffy and Zoro. During Whole Cake and especially at Wano his Haki is just showing off to be pretty decent in both defense and attack, he got bullied by Black Maria and now he acts like it wasn't nothing.
It's the same shit again, Zoro got impaled by Killer's random scythes cuz he FUCKED UP at that specific moment, it doesn't mean that his durability is non existant or that it would happen again if Zoro was more aware of the situation

sanji's diable jame ignores tekkai that's why i brought it up, it uses heat to do damage, and i don't really think vergo used tekkai, when his armament is much better alternative, sanji came out of nowhere and kicked him into the wall, when vergo got serious and attacked back, sanji didn't get blized he tried to block with his leg and almost broke it, he immediately switched it and started clashing with vergo using his left leg
vergo's kick that fractured sanji's leg had more momentum and weight put into it that's why other stationary kicks didn't have similar effect, that also hints to sanji's strength as he was able to block without getting knocked back, it's just that he cant take damage

i guess you're right about sanji not being a glass canon, he hits his enemies with a lot of attacks multiple times in the fight but he would be looking in much worse shape after taking only few hits, and luffy also attacks a lot but he's also a durability monster, and zoro that end's his battles with few attacks while at the same time taking major damage
sanji: hits given > hits taken
zoro: hits given < hits taken
luffy: hits given ≈ hits taken

zoro didn't block killer's attack though, it's very different than sanji who actively reacted to vergo's kick aside from being in 1v1 fight, zoro had to deal with two attacks coming at him in the same time so he choose to dodged the back stab and got impaled instead from the front, it makes sense with zoro's ideas on back wounds being a shame of swordsmen

 

[stairs-kun]

For same reason Oda added Fujitora to stand between Zoro & Doffy & for same reason Oda didn't let Zoro go to WCI & for same reason Zoro got lost in Act 1 of Wano & didn't meet Kaido & for same reason Oda added Big Mom on the Roof & made Zoro nerfed by their Combined Attack.

Oda doesn't want his Arcs to end up Very Short

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Vergod used right leg on Sanji