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Naomi, don't you think Rej would have played double-edged sword if he was scum and wanted to lynch you? There are few possibilities that what Rej was trying to accomplish with his vote on you... but before that @Rej will you willing to provide us a little reason you have to vote Naomi, if so please come forth
Well he wasn't forced to vote that early but did it regardless yet I agree that his overall reasoning was unfortunately poor. When you look at this game you find 5 pages to be relatively big, but not because 5 pages are hard to read, not at all, but because this game is quite 'innovative' from a mechanical standpoint and that comment felt like a low push perhaps even unconscious of a guy who is Mafia or so.
One thing threw me off though, that the Rej wagon of votes formed too quick, so I'm going to listen for his response before judging him.
One thing threw me off though, that the Rej wagon of votes formed too quick, so I'm going to listen for his response before judging him.
Agreed. As stated above
And he recognized himself very quickly lol. Not to mention he didn't post yesterday at all despite being active, but suddenly manifest himself when a lynch vote has started to join a bandwagon
Vote Lynch TAC
I could understand why Rej did that early. At the beginning of the game we don't know who is who, so his vote seemed more like a pressure vote to get things going. Besides, he has not been active since he voted to have any chance to defend himself. On the other hand, TAC jumped on a bandwagon the moment he saw one without giving any chance to Rej to defend
And he recognized himself very quickly lol. Not to mention he didn't post yesterday at all despite being active, but suddenly manifest himself when a lynch vote has started to join a bandwagon
Vote Lynch TAC
I could understand why Rej did that early. At the beginning of the game we don't know who is who, so his vote seemed more like a pressure vote to get things going. Besides, he has not been active since he voted to have any chance to defend himself. On the other hand, TAC jumped on a bandwagon the moment he saw one without giving any chance to Rej to defend
So, we have some idea who is scum and who the puppets are. I'm confident that Playa and Bogard are both, in some form or another, scum. I've done nothing but defend another player from being wrongfully lynched yet I am being portrayed as the bad guy. I won't have it.
Rej may or may not be innocent, but to see how the scum come straight from the gutter to lynch me is shocking and revealing. If I could change my vote, I'd lynch Bogard. But I'll wait another day to do that I guess.
Rej may or may not be innocent, but to see how the scum come straight from the gutter to lynch me is shocking and revealing. If I could change my vote, I'd lynch Bogard. But I'll wait another day to do that I guess.
So after multiple posts saying you were sure Rej was scum, now you switch back when you see things didn't go according to your plans? 
A bandwagon already started. If either Playa or me were scum, the best move was to let it go for the first one to use this excuse to target you(or someone else) for another round. It'd be a stupid play for scum to do otherwise. That's why i'm pretty certain neither Playa nor me are scum, with your sudden switch putting even more pressure on you if anything lol
A bandwagon already started. If either Playa or me were scum, the best move was to let it go for the first one to use this excuse to target you(or someone else) for another round. It'd be a stupid play for scum to do otherwise. That's why i'm pretty certain neither Playa nor me are scum, with your sudden switch putting even more pressure on you if anything lol
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Rej put vote on me, no explanation.
Plus his phrasing was expecting others to jump on the lynch. But that did not happen.
Now this is interesting, i hear lynch wagon started to early on rej, ...Yet are you guys forgetting he tried to start a quick lynch wagon on me first.
You see if i was offline and inactive, i'm pretty sure scum would voted on me.
The only one who came to defend me was Ancient, yet now i find it sus people are looking at it as opportunity lynch on him. and ignoring rej who gave no explanation and was trying to do the same thing first.
Rej put vote on me, no explanation.
Plus his phrasing was expecting others to jump on the lynch. But that did not happen. Now this is interesting, i hear lynch wagon started to early on rej, ...Yet are you guys forgetting he tried to start a quick lynch wagon on me first.
You see if i was offline and inactive, i'm pretty sure scum would voted on me.
The only one who came to defend me was Ancient, yet now i find it sus people are looking at it as opportunity lynch on him. and ignoring rej who gave no explanation and was trying to do the same thing first.
Let's take a step back here.
This is not a direct response to @Bogard but to the entire game.
Bogard seems to know a lot about what a scumbag would do. Seems to have that on his mind a lot. As if he's constantly thinking about how a scummer would play, what moves would they make. . ? Now, why would Bogard have that on his mind, if he was not a scumbag himself? You could assume the easy-out of stating "Oh, Bogard is just being a responsible townie. Trying to find out who's evil!"
Really?
Is he really doing that, on day 1? That is irresponsible on day 1. And let me inform all of you wonderful players why.
Day 1 accusations poison the water. They make you suspicious of everyone, for almost no tangible reason besides a single player saying so. For Bogard to immediately leap out of no-where to accuse me the second I DEFEND another player from a random lynch, is startling and revealing. Bogard is trying to cast blame and doubt on the town, and those who I am related with (Naomi) due to circumstances of defending him.
A proper play on Day 1 is to observe, think, and not comment. Because, almost likely, a scumbag Day 1 who elicits no response will attempt a similar or identical strategy on Day 2, or Day 3. That is, only if they aren't identified or under pressure. I.E., having been called out. Once that happens, they will slink off into the shadows and talk minimally enough to pass by.
What Bogard did is to immediately call me out - not a proper Day 1 play - and now is leading a bandwagon against me for no identifiable reason. It would seem to me that Bogard is attempting to lead the town and play as the "always righteous, good guy" type who can shed doubt from himself by displaying how he was always looking for the Maf. I won't have it. None of it.
This one play has proven to me without a fraction of a fraction of doubt that @Bogard is evil and needs to be lynched. @playa4321 is likely suspicious as is @Rej. But Bogard has made his move and picked the wrong target.
This is not a direct response to @Bogard but to the entire game.
Bogard seems to know a lot about what a scumbag would do. Seems to have that on his mind a lot. As if he's constantly thinking about how a scummer would play, what moves would they make. . ? Now, why would Bogard have that on his mind, if he was not a scumbag himself? You could assume the easy-out of stating "Oh, Bogard is just being a responsible townie. Trying to find out who's evil!"
Really?
Is he really doing that, on day 1? That is irresponsible on day 1. And let me inform all of you wonderful players why.
Day 1 accusations poison the water. They make you suspicious of everyone, for almost no tangible reason besides a single player saying so. For Bogard to immediately leap out of no-where to accuse me the second I DEFEND another player from a random lynch, is startling and revealing. Bogard is trying to cast blame and doubt on the town, and those who I am related with (Naomi) due to circumstances of defending him.
A proper play on Day 1 is to observe, think, and not comment. Because, almost likely, a scumbag Day 1 who elicits no response will attempt a similar or identical strategy on Day 2, or Day 3. That is, only if they aren't identified or under pressure. I.E., having been called out. Once that happens, they will slink off into the shadows and talk minimally enough to pass by.
What Bogard did is to immediately call me out - not a proper Day 1 play - and now is leading a bandwagon against me for no identifiable reason. It would seem to me that Bogard is attempting to lead the town and play as the "always righteous, good guy" type who can shed doubt from himself by displaying how he was always looking for the Maf. I won't have it. None of it.
This one play has proven to me without a fraction of a fraction of doubt that @Bogard is evil and needs to be lynched. @playa4321 is likely suspicious as is @Rej. But Bogard has made his move and picked the wrong target.
Hey @Rej Scum, your no explanation lynch, and then shady exit after putting lynch on me with no explanation.
Care to enlighten us with your bs findings, for my lynch.
Btw am going to sleep now, if anyone else wants to call people scum for being inactive because of time zones.
Night,
Care to enlighten us with your bs findings, for my lynch.
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Btw am going to sleep now, if anyone else wants to call people scum for being inactive because of time zones.
Night,
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QUOTE="Izumi, post: 18208, member: 7"]@Reborn you showed you concerned over TAC vote... I want to have your reason properly[/QUOTE]
Interesting development
My suspicions regarding ancient century is simply on the basis of few reasons
1)why he didn't post yesterday despite being active? Why he waited for voting to happen? There were users who were not online and it's understandable but this doesn't hold true for him.
2)his first post was about asking 'can he vote?', after rej lynched Naomi and Naomi lynched rej.
Now it's fine to ask such question but what set me off was his next two posts in which he said 'I haven't caught up with the thread' and 'his lynching of rej' immediately on ground of not giving reasons.
This doesn't add up. Since he didn't catch up with the thread then he should have read it completely to make sound opinion on whether rej gave reasons earlier or not before immediately basing his opinion on single post of rej.
To me its not voting of rej which makes him suspicious but his approach to it.
However, rej act is also truly suspicious. First he was among the most active participant to get that quest. As soon as the quest got over, he pronounced that he doesn't have the quest by saying that dagger is with someone whom he doesn't trust. Why he did so? It's like he thought that everyone would think he is the one with dagger so he proactively made that statement to remove doubt from him which is suspicious.
Then, he immediately lynched Naomi without giving any reason especially when you consider that Naomi had negligible presence in the thread by that time due to being offline and then he himself went offline.
To me, Rej approach isn't suspicious but his actions are.
That's what I think. However, I will not vote for either of them as of now.
@Izumi response to your post is above. Sorry I messed up with quote and I can't edit it
Interesting development
My suspicions regarding ancient century is simply on the basis of few reasons
1)why he didn't post yesterday despite being active? Why he waited for voting to happen? There were users who were not online and it's understandable but this doesn't hold true for him.
2)his first post was about asking 'can he vote?', after rej lynched Naomi and Naomi lynched rej.
Now it's fine to ask such question but what set me off was his next two posts in which he said 'I haven't caught up with the thread' and 'his lynching of rej' immediately on ground of not giving reasons.
This doesn't add up. Since he didn't catch up with the thread then he should have read it completely to make sound opinion on whether rej gave reasons earlier or not before immediately basing his opinion on single post of rej.
To me its not voting of rej which makes him suspicious but his approach to it.
However, rej act is also truly suspicious. First he was among the most active participant to get that quest. As soon as the quest got over, he pronounced that he doesn't have the quest by saying that dagger is with someone whom he doesn't trust. Why he did so? It's like he thought that everyone would think he is the one with dagger so he proactively made that statement to remove doubt from him which is suspicious.
Then, he immediately lynched Naomi without giving any reason especially when you consider that Naomi had negligible presence in the thread by that time due to being offline and then he himself went offline.
To me, Rej approach isn't suspicious but his actions are.
That's what I think. However, I will not vote for either of them as of now.
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@Izumi response to your post is above. Sorry I messed up with quote and I can't edit it
I feel like Naomi would have no reason to push this particular kind of passive-aggressive lynch on Rej if he was supposedly Town and she was Mafia, in due it would obviously backfire the very moment his head flips the wrong way, but at the same time she cannot be sure of his alignment independently from her own alignment.
Mafia often uses WIFOM logic, a medium by which bad actions can be disguised by logical constructs, for example displaying a stance like: "Player A was bad so I lynched him, sorry if he ended up Town but he deserved the lynch".
So that's why I'm cautious about the bandwagon that formed too quickly.
Mafia often uses WIFOM logic, a medium by which bad actions can be disguised by logical constructs, for example displaying a stance like: "Player A was bad so I lynched him, sorry if he ended up Town but he deserved the lynch".
So that's why I'm cautious about the bandwagon that formed too quickly.
So i have read up and have some conclusions for what jumped into my eyes and head:
1. That vote on Rej by Naomi. Sounds strage and Comes pretty early, but to be honest, i would stuff like that too, because that was the Moment discussions started. Absolutely worth to Keep an eye on, but nothing i would lynch directly right now.
2. The pretty ambitious blaming from TAC and Reborn on Naomi. I mean, it is absolutely clear that you dont have any clue or good arguments for an early vote against someone random. I know that and i am pretty sure TAC and Reborn knew that too, so ist suspicious that they try to get rid of someone so fast and ambitious. Take a look at These Posts, they are pretty Long for arguments against a random vote. Definitily have both on my list.
3. Again TAC; just jumps from Naomi to Bogard, because of him not agreeing. Sounds strange and it is. Seems like TAC felt clearly offened, Kind of catched, but i guess Bogard also just took a shot in the air. Makes TAC even more suspicious, but here Comes the most suspicious part:
4. Bogard. I am not talking about him arguing with TAC or blaming someone, way way way more interesting is the way he is defending Playa, out of nowhere. He just says straight up: " That's why i'm pretty certain neither Playa nor me are scum". How can he be that sure? He just simply cant, even when he follows his arguments, in that early Phase you can not be that sure. And here it doesnt matter if Playa is Scum or Friend, but Bogard making that clear Playa wont be scum, makes him suspicious for me.
So far from me, will read everything again to check up later.
1. That vote on Rej by Naomi. Sounds strage and Comes pretty early, but to be honest, i would stuff like that too, because that was the Moment discussions started. Absolutely worth to Keep an eye on, but nothing i would lynch directly right now.
2. The pretty ambitious blaming from TAC and Reborn on Naomi. I mean, it is absolutely clear that you dont have any clue or good arguments for an early vote against someone random. I know that and i am pretty sure TAC and Reborn knew that too, so ist suspicious that they try to get rid of someone so fast and ambitious. Take a look at These Posts, they are pretty Long for arguments against a random vote. Definitily have both on my list.
3. Again TAC; just jumps from Naomi to Bogard, because of him not agreeing. Sounds strange and it is. Seems like TAC felt clearly offened, Kind of catched, but i guess Bogard also just took a shot in the air. Makes TAC even more suspicious, but here Comes the most suspicious part:
4. Bogard. I am not talking about him arguing with TAC or blaming someone, way way way more interesting is the way he is defending Playa, out of nowhere. He just says straight up: " That's why i'm pretty certain neither Playa nor me are scum". How can he be that sure? He just simply cant, even when he follows his arguments, in that early Phase you can not be that sure. And here it doesnt matter if Playa is Scum or Friend, but Bogard making that clear Playa wont be scum, makes him suspicious for me.
So far from me, will read everything again to check up later.
Making long post when someone asked your response to something shouldn't be taken as suspicion.
Also, I didn't blame Naomi at all as of now. lol nor I voted anyone yet.
I am holding onto my vote until rej give his reasons of lynching Naomi and ancient justify his actions more clearly and to see more development.
@Finalbeta good conclusion. that's what I think as well.
Also, I didn't blame Naomi at all as of now. lol nor I voted anyone yet.
I am holding onto my vote until rej give his reasons of lynching Naomi and ancient justify his actions more clearly and to see more development.
@Finalbeta good conclusion. that's what I think as well.
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