[FNZ] Role Madness Game 03: One Piece Dressrosa

[Sentinel]

People still have to explain to me how am I suspicious in the first place?

Anyway, @Bogard and @Reborn explained quite well that Finalbeta's claims have some flaws and are quite illogical.
I think I'd go with TAC as well, considering this part:

We have our target - tac. My read is solid on him. Remember that in beginning I said tac gameplay is off and turns out it is because he quickly jumped on final claim without even questioning unlike in his last games when he was townie and questioned every claim. Let's Lynch him. We need majority Lynch.

I think Reborn made a good point here. I may not know how certain players play the game but if TAC plays completely different from his usual plays, this is definitely suspicious.

 

[Sentinel]

Sentinel sided with final without much doubt and I haven't seen him scum hunting or adding any information to help us... playing distance and safe.... another sus

I can't really tell how people play mafia games on this forum. Hence I also asked whether role outing is allowed or not.

At this point, I just simply excluded the possibility of Finalbeta being a sus based on the fact that he shares these information at the beginning of the game - and if people see that we lynched the wrong person, people would immediately accuse Final as well.
Therefore, this kind of play is simply unlikely for a sus; that's why I excluded the possibility of Final being a sus.

 

[Bogard]

Ok just read through the thread and it seems there are 2 posts in conflict with one another
This one from @AL sama

@Finalbeta I just asked drago in pm and he said he wouldn't call tracker a watcher

so what should we make of your claim now??

Where he claims to have gotten a confirmation that @Denim wouldn't call a tracker a watcher

versus @Finalbeta 's one

I just asked Drago in PM and he told me that the ability name watchful is just a name. Doesn't mean anything. Tracker is a variant of watcher but in of itself, so I'm not one but instead a tracker.

Basically wants to say that my ability is called Watchful but he intends me as a tracker.

So it all explains now.

Where he claims his ability is actually "Watchful", but is viewed as a tracker

The problem with this though is he originally claimed to be a watcher

I'm a watcher and I watched over Rej tonight. The host noticed me that he has visited Flower tonight hence I'm choosing to reveal you such info in that I'm confident he performed the faction kill and is a mafia member.

Not having a "watchful" ability, and we even had an argument about it before where himself claimed it would be a stupid mistake for an experienced player for him to make

Moreover there's no way an experienced player like me could commit such a silly mistake if mafia. I would have simply claimed Tracker, but I have been very honest about my role.

That implies to me he is lying. Furthermore, as other people already pointed out, his role as "thunder soldier" is fishy if really town, and looks as a potential third party if not scum. If third party, it could also explain why he decided to risk this in the second day phase to mix better with town. Noctis used a similar strategy in a previous game play i used to play with him, doing it in phase 1, and as a result, he ended up winning, with no one really suspecting him

The only thing that makes me doubt is @Rej 's suspicious game play from day phase one, but one thing is for sure, both can't be town, and since it seems FinalBeta is lying, i'd vote him out

Vote Lynch @Finalbeta

 

[Finalbeta]

I'm attempting to understand why @Reborn has ignored on multiple occasions to answer about how he knows someone targetted him tonight as he claims. He can't claim something like this and then don't explain himself better on the matter.

It is starting to sound like a fishy try to look more townie in my opinion.

 

[Finalbeta]

Ok just read through the thread and it seems there are 2 posts in conflict with one another
This one from @AL sama

Where he claims to have gotten a confirmation that @Denim wouldn't call a tracker a watcher

versus @Finalbeta 's one

Where he claims his ability is actually "Watchful", but is viewed as a tracker

The problem with this though is he originally claimed to be a watcher


Not having a "watchful" ability, and we even had an argument about it before where himself claimed it would be a stupid mistake for an experienced player for him to make


That implies to me he is lying. Furthermore, as other people already pointed out, his role as "thunder soldier" is fishy if really town, and looks as a potential third party if not scum. If third party, it could also explain why he decided to risk this in the second day phase to mix better with town. Noctis used a similar strategy in a previous game play i used to play with him, doing it in phase 1, and as a result, he ended up winning, with no one really suspecting him

The only thing that makes me doubt is @Rej 's suspicious game play from day phase one, but one thing is for sure, both can't be town, and since it seems FinalBeta is lying, i'd vote him out

Vote Lynch @Finalbeta

If you read carefully through my posts you will realize the host formulated my ability in a weird way, hence giving me off the impression I was a watcher. That basically because my ability is called "Watchful" on addition of the fact it states that I have to watch over Rebecca and that I can target someone at night and find out who he visits.

 

[Finalbeta]

Moreover I explained how in some games I played in the past variants were labeled as non variants as long as the variant was still a related role. That however only happening in case only one related role was present in the game.

This basically cements the reason why I thought at beginning host intended me simply as a "Watcher" even though too broadly.

 

[Reborn]

People still have to explain to me how am I suspicious in the first place?

Anyway, @Bogard and @Reborn explained quite well that Finalbeta's claims have some flaws and are quite illogical.
I think I'd go with TAC as well, considering this part:



I think Reborn made a good point here. I may not know how certain players play the game but if TAC plays completely different from his usual plays, this is definitely suspicious.

Thank you for being reasonable....

Let denim come online because I really need to confirm so

Ok just read through the thread and it seems there are 2 posts in conflict with one another
This one from @AL sama

Where he claims to have gotten a confirmation that @Denim wouldn't call a tracker a watcher

versus @Finalbeta 's one

Where he claims his ability is actually "Watchful", but is viewed as a tracker

The problem with this though is he originally claimed to be a watcher


Not having a "watchful" ability, and we even had an argument about it before where himself claimed it would be a stupid mistake for an experienced player for him to make


That implies to me he is lying. Furthermore, as other people already pointed out, his role as "thunder soldier" is fishy if really town, and looks as a potential third party if not scum. If third party, it could also explain why he decided to risk this in the second day phase to mix better with town. Noctis used a similar strategy in a previous game play i used to play with him, doing it in phase 1, and as a result, he ended up winning, with no one really suspecting him

The only thing that makes me doubt is @Rej 's suspicious game play from day phase one, but one thing is for sure, both can't be town, and since it seems FinalBeta is lying, i'd vote him out

Vote Lynch @Finalbeta

Shouldn't we wait for rej full claim?

And, what's your thoughts on tac cunning gameplay like nami and creating the bandwagon along with his interactions with final?

@Sentinel @AL sama @NeutralWatcher @Rej @Jew D. Boy @Pantheos @playa4321 @Law @All_Red

Based on what Bogard say we have to cast vote on one user - be it tac or final with no votes diversion..this vote will give us crucial info on game... coming up excuse to not vote or diverting votes to avoiding majority Lynch means no Lynch and is simply playing in Mafia hand.

My vote is on my primary sus tac... I have very solid read on him. But evidence against final is not anything less...too much inconsistency so If you guys aren't sure of my tac read then I am fine with my second primary sus - final as well

 

[NeutralWatcher]

Final, TAC, Jew voted Rej
Reborn and Bogard voted TAC

I see conspiracy between Final and TAC and Jew agree with Final claim and he changed his vote from Al to Rej.

Voted TheAncientCenturion @Denim

 

[NeutralWatcher]

My bad Bogard voted Final. What do you think? @Bogard Bogdo you agree we vote Final or TAC? Of you voted Final we might lose Rej who is townie potential

 

[Sentinel]

Well, we have to prevent that only a minority votes for a user.
Hence I vote TheAncientCenturion.

@Reborn

Either TAC or Finalbeta, at least we have to build up a majority against a certain user. Let's vote for TAC. And afterwards, we can still vote for Finalbeta as well.

 

[Finalbeta]

Final, TAC, Jew voted Rej
Reborn and Bogard voted TAC

I see conspiracy between Final and TAC and Jew agree with Final claim and he changed his vote from Al to Rej.

Voted TheAncientCenturion @Denim

Just to clear one thing. A mafia has no benefit to make the claim I did. Because losing a mafia to only make one townie lynched is never a good idea for a mafia faction. Actually not even remotely if so early in the game.

Rej's reactions at my claim say all, he looked like a fish on a hook.

Even if you don't believe the host formulated my role in a weird manner (which can very likely happen) then consider these points.

 

[NeutralWatcher]

@Bogard Now we have 3 voted TAC 3 voted Rej

What is your opinion?

 

[Bogard]

Shouldn't we wait for rej full claim?

I think @Rej claimed to be Trebol before

my suspects are
Beta, Red, Al
suspects doesn't mean absolutely scum, but something is off with them, and yes I consider myself suspicious too, I mean I am motherfucking Trebol
:sabogood:

But Rej flip-flops too much in games, so i'd not really base things from this

And, what's your thoughts on tac cunning gameplay like nami and creating the bandwagon along with his interactions with final?

Concerning TAC, his game is suspicious for sure. He is usually pretty aggressive when playing town, which i don't see him doing much thus far. His bandwagon on FinalBeta's claim also makes him look suspicious, so i'd say i lean on him being scum myself, but Finalbeta's lying part stands out more for me

I read your post here

Also, listen all townies if you trust me then you will do as I say

- scum will probably TRY to NK me tonight so I want to give you guys lead before that. Also, as I said something happened to me last night and until denim clarifies I can't reveal otherwise I would face drastic consequences...so

But it's basically similar to @Finalbeta 's claim in a sense. We can't really prove this, and you said yourself there is an information you miss from @Denim , so i'd say voting out Final is safer

Regardless, majority is important. We already failed a lynch last day phase because of this and it seems like we have 3 vs 3 between TAC and Rej, with Rej leaning more town based on Finalbeta's claim, so i'm ok with a TAC lynch. This also reply to your question(@NeutralWatcher )

 

[NeutralWatcher]

I think @Rej claimed to be Trebol before



But Rej flip-flops too much in games, so i'd not really base things from this

Concerning TAC, his game is suspicious for sure. He is usually pretty aggressive when playing town, which i don't see him doing much thus far. His bandwagon on FinalBeta's claim also makes him look suspicious, so i'd say i lean on him being scum myself, but Finalbeta's lying part stands out more for me

I read your post here

But it's basically similar to @Finalbeta 's claim in a sense. We can't really prove this, and you said yourself there is an information you miss from @Denim , so i'd say voting out Final is safer

Regardless, majority is important. We already failed a lynch last day phase because of this and it seems like we have 3 vs 3 between TAC and Rej, with Rej leaning more town based on Finalbeta's claim, so i'm ok with a TAC lynch. This also reply to your question(@NeutralWatcher )

I realized you voted Rej first. Then voted Final. I think you have to unvote if you want to vote the second user you think as sus.

Between Rej, Final and TAC which one do you find the most suspicious?

 

[NeutralWatcher]

RIP @Flower. I think you were town, but i wonder why her role was hidden post-mortem.

@Law on the other hand didn't come online since after getting his post-quota, which makes his involvement in the game very questionable

And @Rej was already in my suspicion list since last day phase: https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/game-03-one-piece-dressrosa.3321/page-13#post-268699
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/game-03-one-piece-dressrosa.3321/page-16#post-268908
, so @Finalbeta 's claim doesn't surprise me

Vote Lynch @Rej

 

[NeutralWatcher]

Just to clear one thing. A mafia has no benefit to make the claim I did. Because losing a mafia to only make one townie lynched is never a good idea for a mafia faction. Actually not even remotely if so early in the game.

Rej's reactions at my claim say all, he looked like a fish on a hook.

Even if you don't believe the host formulated my role in a weird manner (which can very likely happen) then consider these points.

I think what I find suspicious is you think Doffy is not a townie when I think Doffy is a townie based on my role. You also have to answer how your claim is not a take claim because as Bogard your role is weird

 

[Bogard]

I realized you voted Rej first. Then voted Final. I think you have to unvote if you want to vote the second user you think as sus.

Between Rej, Final and TAC which one do you find the most suspicious?

I abstained before

Hmm just googled Watcher and Tracker and these were the definitions





And if it is the case, then @AL sama is right. If @Finalbeta really is watcher, then he shouldn't be able to tell who @Rej visited at night considering his role only allows him to know who visited his target

So i'd abstain for now until @Denim clarify things at least

I think voting Final is safer because we have more proof towards him than TAC and Rej, and voting out Final could also help us to have a safer view of potential mafia affiliates, but as mentioned the most important thing is not to fail to reach a majority like we did in last day phase because it only works in mafia's favor

I'd count more the votes though. Not sure where we are exactly at the moment

 

[Reborn]

I think @Rej claimed to be Trebol before



But Rej flip-flops too much in games, so i'd not really base things from this

Concerning TAC, his game is suspicious for sure. He is usually pretty aggressive when playing town, which i don't see him doing much thus far. His bandwagon on FinalBeta's claim also makes him look suspicious, so i'd say i lean on him being scum myself, but Finalbeta's lying part stands out more for me

I read your post here

But it's basically similar to @Finalbeta 's claim in a sense. We can't really prove this, and you said yourself there is an information you miss from @Denim , so i'd say voting out Final is safer

Regardless, majority is important. We already failed a lynch last day phase because of this and it seems like we have 3 vs 3 between TAC and Rej, with Rej leaning more town based on Finalbeta's claim, so i'm ok with a TAC lynch. This also reply to your question(@NeutralWatcher )

Let me elaborate more...


Tac is confirm read for me...his game play is like balancing between Robin calmness and nami cunningness

Final is sus but the problem is his timing of Post - mafia won't make such post right at the beginning. But his inconsistency gives feel that he is bad twonie ( doubt that) or not mafia but sk or indie....

I still want to Lynch tac because in every game I got advise to go with my intuition lol

Also there is huge chance mafia Will try to NK me tonight....so I am risking too much here

However, evidence against final is solid so....give a final call..tac or final???

We need majority ....

 

[Finalbeta]

Let me elaborate more...


Tac is confirm read for me...his game play is like balancing between Robin calmness and nami cunningness

Final is sus but the problem is his timing of Post - mafia won't make such post right at the beginning. But his inconsistency gives feel that he is bad twonie ( doubt that) or not mafia but sk or indie....

I still want to Lynch tac because in every game I got advise to go with my intuition lol

Also there is huge chance mafia Will try to NK me tonight....so I am risking too much here

However, evidence against final is solid so....give a final call..tac or final???

We need majority ....

There's no way I'm SK. You know that if Rej is lynched and ends up town I would be lynched next.

Just like I can't be mafia for the same reason.

The only way I could be an indie is that my wincon was to get lynched or lynch a specific person but that is way too convoluted to be possible.

 

[AL sama]

at this point lynching beta is the best option as his lynch will give us more info

if he flips scum then that's that

if he flips town then that'll mean that rej is indeed scum

vote lynch finalbeta