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Why doesnt it make sense?
Mihawk is simply better than them in CoA. The other individual who achieved the same feat has been called literally a Sword God, the man who defended Wano singlehandedly from outside forces who wanted to invade. I doubt any of those Haki users that you listed would be able to singlehandedly defend an entire country.
All of them had countless battle and they all bathed their swords into blood. Neither of those two can be the main ingredient, it has to be Haki.
Mihawk is simply better than them in CoA. The other individual who achieved the same feat has been called literally a Sword God, the man who defended Wano singlehandedly from outside forces who wanted to invade. I doubt any of those Haki users that you listed would be able to singlehandedly defend an entire country.
All of them had countless battle and they all bathed their swords into blood. Neither of those two can be the main ingredient, it has to be Haki.
Quite obviois if you read all translations.
Franky is surprised Luffy is using Haki meaning he had no idea Luffy was capable.
If Franky had seen Luffy's fist turn Black, he'd know Luffy was a Haki user and not be surprised.
Sorry, but you're lacking critical information.
If you read Thriller Bark arc or this Panel, we're given the definition of a Black blade.
A Black blade is a blade that's very hard.
If you understand what Mihawk is saying here, he says:
If Zoro learnt to infuse his Sword with Haki, his blade wouldn't break or get nicked.
Haki makes things hard. If a Sword gets imbued with Haki, it becomes hard. That essentially makes it similar to a black blade, not literally a black blade.
Furthermore, if you remember Zoro's reaction during the Wano arc about Blackblade...
He's wondering about how Black blades are formed.
If Mihawk was explicitly saying a Blade becomes black with Haki, Zoro wouldn't be wondering about anything, he'd know. He clearly doesn't know how it's forged meaning Haki is not what makes a blade becoming Kokuto or Black literally.
Franky is surprised Luffy is using Haki meaning he had no idea Luffy was capable.
If Franky had seen Luffy's fist turn Black, he'd know Luffy was a Haki user and not be surprised.
Sorry, but you're lacking critical information.
If you read Thriller Bark arc or this Panel, we're given the definition of a Black blade.
A Black blade is a blade that's very hard.
If you understand what Mihawk is saying here, he says:
If Zoro learnt to infuse his Sword with Haki, his blade wouldn't break or get nicked.
Haki makes things hard. If a Sword gets imbued with Haki, it becomes hard. That essentially makes it similar to a black blade, not literally a black blade.
Furthermore, if you remember Zoro's reaction during the Wano arc about Blackblade...
He's wondering about how Black blades are formed.
If Mihawk was explicitly saying a Blade becomes black with Haki, Zoro wouldn't be wondering about anything, he'd know. He clearly doesn't know how it's forged meaning Haki is not what makes a blade becoming Kokuto or Black literally.
Quite obviois if you read all translations.
Franky is surprised Luffy is using Haki meaning he had no idea Luffy was capable.
If Franky had seen Luffy's fist turn Black, he'd know Luffy was a Haki user and not be surprised.
Sorry, but you're lacking critical information.
If you read Thriller Bark arc or this Panel, we're given the definition of a Black blade.
A Black blade is a blade that's very hard.
If you understand what Mihawk is saying here, he says:
If Zoro learnt to infuse his Sword with Haki, his blade wouldn't break or get nicked.
Haki makes things hard. If a Sword gets imbued with Haki, it becomes hard. That essentially makes it similar to a black blade, not literally a black blade.
Furthermore, if you remember Zoro's reaction during the Wano arc about Blackblade...
He's wondering about how Black blades are formed.
If Mihawk was explicitly saying a Blade becomes black with Haki, Zoro wouldn't be wondering about anything, he'd know. He clearly doesn't know how it's forged meaning Haki is not what makes a blade becoming Kokuto or Black literally.
Franky is surprised Luffy is using Haki meaning he had no idea Luffy was capable.
If Franky had seen Luffy's fist turn Black, he'd know Luffy was a Haki user and not be surprised.
Sorry, but you're lacking critical information.
If you read Thriller Bark arc or this Panel, we're given the definition of a Black blade.
A Black blade is a blade that's very hard.
If you understand what Mihawk is saying here, he says:
If Zoro learnt to infuse his Sword with Haki, his blade wouldn't break or get nicked.
Haki makes things hard. If a Sword gets imbued with Haki, it becomes hard. That essentially makes it similar to a black blade, not literally a black blade.
Furthermore, if you remember Zoro's reaction during the Wano arc about Blackblade...
He's wondering about how Black blades are formed.
If Mihawk was explicitly saying a Blade becomes black with Haki, Zoro wouldn't be wondering about anything, he'd know. He clearly doesn't know how it's forged meaning Haki is not what makes a blade becoming Kokuto or Black literally.
Lmfao, no need for further mental gymnastics bro.
Nope, he's not the strongest Haki user, he's the best Swordsman.
If Haki was what turned a blade Black permanently, Zoro wouldn't be wondering about anything.
Quite wrong actually.
Ryuma didn't singlehanded defend Wano. He was just the strongest Swordsman. It just says he stood up against them. More likely people fought alongside him. No one is single-handedly powerful enough to defeat entire armies, not even Whitebeard.
He didn't. It just says he stood up against them, not single-handedly defeat them.
The WG didn't say Wano only has 1 powerful samurai, but they believe them to have many powerful samurai which is partly why they're feared.
Nope, otherwise, most Swordsmen would have Black blades too. Only Mihawk and Ryuma do which means there's more to it than that.
If Haki was what turned a blade Black permanently, Zoro wouldn't be wondering about anything.
Quite wrong actually.
Ryuma didn't singlehanded defend Wano. He was just the strongest Swordsman. It just says he stood up against them. More likely people fought alongside him. No one is single-handedly powerful enough to defeat entire armies, not even Whitebeard.
He didn't. It just says he stood up against them, not single-handedly defeat them.
The WG didn't say Wano only has 1 powerful samurai, but they believe them to have many powerful samurai which is partly why they're feared.
Nope, otherwise, most Swordsmen would have Black blades too. Only Mihawk and Ryuma do which means there's more to it than that.
- Only clues we've been told are:
- A blade must lack no nicks.
- Many battles.
- And apparently, blood.
Not at all.
All Mihawk was saying is learn to infuse your blade with Haki to stop it from breaking and having nicks, and then he can continue drinking again.
He achieved that, he's drinking.
A black blade just means a Sword that can be coated in Haki (or hardened). Zoro's blade doesn't literally become black, that's something else entirely .
All Mihawk was saying is learn to infuse your blade with Haki to stop it from breaking and having nicks, and then he can continue drinking again.
He achieved that, he's drinking.
A black blade just means a Sword that can be coated in Haki (or hardened). Zoro's blade doesn't literally become black, that's something else entirely .
Pre-skip, Luffy couldn't use Haki nor did he understand it, therefore, he couldn't discern it.
Post-skip, he can use it, he understands it, now he can discern it.
Thus why:
A scene where Haki wasn't shaded is now Shaded.
More so, not all people are capable of using Black shaded invisible Haki.
Post-skip, he can use it, he understands it, now he can discern it.
Thus why:
A scene where Haki wasn't shaded is now Shaded.
More so, not all people are capable of using Black shaded invisible Haki.
Lmfao. HF with your vacation at headcanon island.
Being best Swordsman prevents him from being best at CoA, exactly how?
Of course he wonders, Mihawk could have told him exactly how to achieve it, he didnt, that's why Zoro wonders. PIS is necessary.
Pretty sure it said singlehandedly, unless official translation says otherwise or mentions someone else present for any Ryuma feat.
One in the distant past - Ryuma, one in recent past - Oden. Reason enough to be careful of samurai.
They wouldnt have Kokutos if they didnt achieve the level of CoA Mihawk did.
It never said that blade cant have nicks, only to treat them as marks of shame.
Blood is not a manga material. We will see soon enough how one forges a Kokuto.
Of course he wonders, Mihawk could have told him exactly how to achieve it, he didnt, that's why Zoro wonders. PIS is necessary.
Pretty sure it said singlehandedly, unless official translation says otherwise or mentions someone else present for any Ryuma feat.
One in the distant past - Ryuma, one in recent past - Oden. Reason enough to be careful of samurai.
They wouldnt have Kokutos if they didnt achieve the level of CoA Mihawk did.
It never said that blade cant have nicks, only to treat them as marks of shame.
Blood is not a manga material. We will see soon enough how one forges a Kokuto.
Your question can be simplified into this:
If Vergo and Pica don't look cool, how can it be Haki?
Purpose of Haki is not to be cool, it's to make the user more powerful defensively and offensively.
Furthermore, you're yet to explain why Rayleigh's hands aren't black despite the fact he's actually using Advanced Haki here.
Admirals are obviously... using Advanced Armament here. No black shading. If Haki were literally black, this panel would be Black.
If Vergo and Pica don't look cool, how can it be Haki?
Purpose of Haki is not to be cool, it's to make the user more powerful defensively and offensively.
Furthermore, you're yet to explain why Rayleigh's hands aren't black despite the fact he's actually using Advanced Haki here.
Admirals are obviously... using Advanced Armament here. No black shading. If Haki were literally black, this panel would be Black.
Didn't say that. Just said no proof or evidence he's the best Armament user in the series.
So this panel you're trying to claim indicates that Haki turns a blade black is false then like I said.
If that were true, Zoro wouldn't have to wonder about how blades become black.
Can assure you, you're wrong.
Doesn't say he fought them singlehandedly, that's be quite unrealistic. Wano is a country of Samurai. More likely he lead the Samurai, but doesn't mean he did it all alone. No one is so powerful that they can defeat an entire army especially without abilities like Whitebeard.
Even Mihawk couldn't defeat the entire WG.
Quite wrong.
400 years between Ryuma and Oden. There would have been plenty powerful in-between.
Nope, no where does it state or hint Armament makes a blade black. It's not stated anywhere.
Like I said, "Hint". Mihawk has told Zoro not to acquire nicks on his blade and he's training Zoro towards the route of challenging him as a worthy opponent implying that's a hint.
Nonetheless hasn't said anything about Haki determining whether a blade becomes black.
All we're told is Ryuma's sword was forged through countless battles. This is literally the one fact we know about Black blades.
Never said it was if you read what I said.
Said it's one of the only possible hints we have because information is currently limited.
More so, the fact the manga says countless battles may very well imply blood has something to do with it. We don't know, thus why it's possibly a hint.
Only fact we have is: Countless battles are how black blades are forged.
So this panel you're trying to claim indicates that Haki turns a blade black is false then like I said.
If that were true, Zoro wouldn't have to wonder about how blades become black.
Can assure you, you're wrong.
Doesn't say he fought them singlehandedly, that's be quite unrealistic. Wano is a country of Samurai. More likely he lead the Samurai, but doesn't mean he did it all alone. No one is so powerful that they can defeat an entire army especially without abilities like Whitebeard.
Even Mihawk couldn't defeat the entire WG.
Quite wrong.
400 years between Ryuma and Oden. There would have been plenty powerful in-between.
Nope, no where does it state or hint Armament makes a blade black. It's not stated anywhere.
Like I said, "Hint". Mihawk has told Zoro not to acquire nicks on his blade and he's training Zoro towards the route of challenging him as a worthy opponent implying that's a hint.
Nonetheless hasn't said anything about Haki determining whether a blade becomes black.
All we're told is Ryuma's sword was forged through countless battles. This is literally the one fact we know about Black blades.
Never said it was if you read what I said.
Said it's one of the only possible hints we have because information is currently limited.
More so, the fact the manga says countless battles may very well imply blood has something to do with it. We don't know, thus why it's possibly a hint.
Only fact we have is: Countless battles are how black blades are forged.