Powers & Abilities General CoA Discussion - Basic & Advanced

If literal fodder know ryuo, then it obviously isn't advanced.
Boa Marigold is fodder in the new world. You know that right?

She's weaker than VERY MANY Random fodder in the new world. But she knows advanced armament.

You guys seem to think advanced armament = better armament. That you need a specific power level to be able to use it.

Luffy is stronger than all the scabbards and the scabbards did more damage to Kaido than he did because they knew a technique he didn't.

Advanced armament is a technique. It's a technique anyone at any level of strength can learn. It's called advanced because it's not the BASE for of haki. Basic Haki is summoning it on your body. Advanced haki is making it flow out of your body.

All forms of Flowing haki are Ryuo. And all forms of Flowing haki are advanced haki.

It's just a technique Bro.
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What about Luffy infusing his Sandals with Armament Haki does that count as Ryou ?

Yeah I guess it does.
 
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Fallen Prince

Amazon lily are also a whole Island of Advanced Armament Haki users, that they use in everyday life. I guess Luffy has alway been good with flow armament Haki since Gear 4 Boundman relies on that, in addition to muscles control to work. Even Gear 2 relies on the concept of flow.

Luffy using haki on his elastic body and expanding it with Gear 3 + Haki relies on flow.
Probably first time i agree with you rm storm. Its true luffy is natural with armament this is why rayleigh saw potential in him to teach the flow.
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So all swordmen have Ryou?
Good question i think they have it in them it depends how strong is it.

Its kind of weird to say but zoro already knew about ryou way before luffy learnt it.
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Diable Jambe is Ryou:steef:
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Vergo and Smoker are Ryou masters as well.

Vergo can damage Kaido confirmed
Not surprising most vice admiral have ryou .

Even rob lucci knows about it . So its given WG trains new joinee of any faction.
 
I've seen it stated as some kind of common consensus that "Ryuo is just the Wano name of Armament Haki like how Mantra is just the Skypiea name of Observation Haki"

This statement isn't true. Mantra is just the Skypiea name of observation haki because there's a panel in the manga saying just that.

On the other hand, the panels supposedly saying Ryuo is just Armament haki is this.


As you can see, Ryuo is Armament Haki focused on FLOW. As in, Just armament haki isn't a thing in Wano. By that I mean there is no name for just armament haki. It becomes Ryuo when the armament haki FLOWS.

This doesn't mean people literally can't use basic armament haki in Wano. They just don't have a name for it. What they actually care about to name is FLOWING armament haki. And why do they do this? Because they are all Swordsmen.


Armament haki is used for fighting. And everybody in Wano fights with swords. Even Kawamatsu who is introduced as a sumo wrestler still fights with swords. Therefore, by default, armament haki MUST be used on swords for Wano people to be useful in combat.

And making your Armament Haki FLOW into your sword is Ryuo.

So basically, Luffy having basic armament haki isn't a concept people in Wano have a name for since nobody fights without weapons in Wano. Hell in Ringo, people are literally given swords at birth just to emphasise how much everybody is a swordsman. Of course even Wano people need to know basic armament first before they can make it FLOW but since nobody uses basic armament in combat, there's no name for it. When the Haki can FLOW into your sword, then it can be used in combat and so then it becomes Ryou.

Even when Hyogoro beats Alpacaman unarmed using "barrier haki", it's still the same concept of FLOW. The haki is flowing outward from Hyogoro in the same way it would when he's putting it into his swords but since there's no sword it just forms a haki barrier in the air. Or it enters something to dismantle it from within. The point is when Armament Haki flows, that's when it's Ryou.

Therefore Ryuo is in fact Advanced Armament Haki since it isn't just basic armament haki. It's flowing armament haki.

And the reason Wano people immediately jump to Advanced haki techniques when learning haki, is because they all need the advanced version to fight. They are all swordsmen. Them learning basic armament is useless so they immediately require knowledge of Ryuo, Flowing Armament haki to put haki in their swords.
The can use regular armament haki. It's just that haki and the concept of making it flow is taught simultaneously. Remember the whole push push bird cage debacle. Kin and Kan were clearly using regular armament. In that scenario there would be no need to make flowing haki.
 
Ryuou is armament haki. The name is simply just different on Wano like it was on Skypiea. Doesn't matter whether the level of the practitioners on wano are higher or not, it is still armament haki. The concept known to the rest of the world as "armament haki" doesn't exist on Wano, hence why it has never been used by any of the wano natives. Hell Sandersonia can also use barrier type armament and when Luffy couldn't understand why Sandersonia and her sister were able to hurt him with it Marigold explained it to him as haki. So isn't that confirmation in itself that that is armament. Even when Ray was training Luffy, when he used barrier haki, he also explained it as haki not ryuou ^^".

On Wano there are not only swordsmen, there are also martial artists and powerful ones at that as well so what do you think they call it when they coat their fists in armament? haki?
 
To me, Arnament Haki is called as Ryou in Wano....
Since most of the warriors in Wano are Swordsmen, they need to imbue the haki onto their swords to fight effectively....

This flowing haki is just an application of Arnament haki imo....It's considered advanced because it requires a certain skill to summon haki from your body to an external object.....

Swordsmen imbue their swords with haki to make swords more durable....while Brawlers like Luffy use the Arnament haki to destroy the things they want from inside out....Just the same concept of Flow but different application....

And finally using advanced Arnament Haki or flow Haki doesn't mean that they have more Haki ( or they are more powerful).....
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My question is maybe a bit unrelated to the thread...I wonder what would have happened if Kaido used his arnament haki to protect himself from scabbards....

Ryou or advanced Arnament seems like emitting arnament haki you have onto external objects....What if the arnament haki used to protect is stronger than the one used to pierce??

In that case the advanced Arnament may be useless ( not confirmed in Manga but mostly it will be the case imo)....

My opinion is that even if you have Advanced Arnament Haki it will be useless if your opponent has stronger "Arnament Haki" ( or for better understanding Base Arnament Haki).
What do you guys think?

Also what do you guys think about this:
Having more haki = stronger haki or stronger haki means more about the quality ( if that makes sense )?
 
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Imbuing an object or an ability you wield with armament isn't advanced COA.
It is. Any time haki flows out of your body, you are using Ryuo. And Ryuo is advanced armament.
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@Desolate Smaug
The can use regular armament haki. It's just that haki and the concept of making it flow is taught simultaneously. Remember the whole push push bird cage debacle. Kin and Kan were clearly using regular armament. In that scenario there would be no need to make flowing haki.
Kin'emon and kanjuro were making their haki flow into their swords remember. That's Ryuo. That's advanced armament.

Of course they can use regular armament but that's not how they fight. They fight with swords. So being able to use regular armament is a waste of time. They need to learn to make the haki flow into their swords immediately since they fight with swords.
 

Gol D. Roger

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It is. Any time haki flows out of your body, you are using Ryuo. And Ryuo is advanced armament.
Only the barrier and the penetration forms of armament are the advanced forms of it. You don't require the aforementioned two to imbue a weapon or a DF ability with COA. You're making things over complicated unnecessarily. Imbuing things other than your body with COA is just another application of level-1 COA. All you require to accomplish this is better control of basic Haki.
 
Imbuing things other than your body with COA is just another application of level-1 COA
Hyogoro literally said Ryuo in wano focuses on flow and in Wano it's used on swords to make them cut whatever they want

That's it. Haki flows out of your body to imbue swords with Haki same way Haki flows out of your body to firm barriers.

Let me ask, what exactly are Oden and the scabbards doing to cut Kaido? Are you saying they are not using advanced armament? Kaido describes what they are doing as "applying Ryuo to their swords".

Remember Luffy who doesn't have a sword learned Ryuo of penetrating objects from within in order to beat Kaido.

So what is happening here? If flowing your Haki into your sword is not an ability similar to what Luffy is learning to penetrating Kaido with Haki, then why are they both called Ryuo and why are they both capable of harming Kaido? Yet all that Regular armament Luffy used in G4 FAILED
 

Gol D. Roger

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Hyogoro literally said Ryuo in wano focuses on flow and in Wano it's used on swords to make them cut whatever they want

That's it. Haki flows out of your body to imbue swords with Haki same way Haki flows out of your body to firm barriers.

Let me ask, what exactly are Oden and the scabbards doing to cut Kaido? Are you saying they are not using advanced armament? Kaido describes what they are doing as "applying Ryuo to their swords".

Remember Luffy who doesn't have a sword learned Ryuo of penetrating objects from within in order to beat Kaido.

So what is happening here? If flowing your Haki into your sword is not an ability similar to what Luffy is learning to penetrating Kaido with Haki, then why are they both called Ryuo and why are they both capable of harming Kaido? Yet all that Regular armament Luffy used in G4 FAILED
Luffy can already imbue things other than his body with COA before WCI, then why do you think he received separate training to master Haki flow when he can already imbue objects with Haki way back in Dressrossa? It's because they're not the same thing.
 

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Luffy can already imbue things other than his body with COA before WCI, then why do you think he received separate training to master Haki flow when he can already imbue objects with Haki way back in Dressrossa? It's because they're not the same thing.
What did he imbue ?
 
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