Is Bleach Better than Kingdom?


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Once again all this hype and fake narrative for a general who has equal record of winning/losing even though he receives severe advantages all the time. Note that among all those wins he has to prepare for months and than some Pokémon and later all kind of advantages such as terrain, numbers, information blockage etc.



- Riboku lost Gyou with all the advantages. So what if Ousen had the Young trio but in the end it all comes down how one uses there pawns. Also in terms of experienced generals and number of soldiers Riboku has plenty of advantages there.


- Riboku himself admitted he fell into Kanki's trap and nearly lost his life.

Riboku and his subordinates admitted both and wordings were clearly that it's ousen who defeated Riboku four years ago.
 
- Riboku lost Gyou with all the advantages. So what if Ousen had the Young trio but in the end it all comes down how one uses there pawns. Also in terms of experienced generals and number of soldiers Riboku has plenty of advantages there.
Except Ousen's pawns were using their own initiative without Ousen's direct input. We have been here before.
Every single Zhao success solely within the confines of the Battle of Shukai Plains was entirely or partly attributable to Riboku.

1) Makou's death: Solely Riboku.
2) Akou's near death: It was Riboku's plan that allowed Bananji and Gyou'un to break through an Ousen patented formation.
3) Bananji/Futei pincer of Ousen HQ: Also Riboku's plan.
4) Gyou'un smashing Ouhon: Was also a Riboku plain if I recall correctly.

By comparison, Ousen was nowhere near as responsible for Qin's successes in that battle.

1) Saving the Left Wing: Purely Mouten, Ousen did nothing.
2) Gaku Ei's death: Purely the Right Wing commanders.
3) Chougaryuu's death: Purely the Right Wing commanders.
4) Gyou'un's death: Purely Ouhon.
5) Saving Qin's HQ: Purely Mouten and Ouhon.
6) Kinmou's death: Archer Bro.
7) Houken's death: Purely Kyoukai and Shin.

This was the difference in subordinates. Riboku's subordinates were heavily reliant on him. By comparison, Ousen's subordinates were far more proactive and readily plugged the gaps whenever Riboku tore a hole through Ousen's plans.
Ousen flat out beat Riboku on the campaign strategy though. He just wasn't as good as Riboku when it came to battlefield tactics on Shukai Plains.
Riboku and his subordinates admitted both and wordings were clearly that it's ousen who defeated Riboku four years ago.
In regards to the Gyou Campaign's overall grand strategy, sure but not in regards to Shukai Plains. Not according to Ousen himself anyway. Lol.
 
And nowhere in Shukai Plains was it stated that Riboku would have been helpless against Shells and Joints without high ground. This is something you made up from thin air bro.
I didnt say Riboku would be helpless against one of Ousens casual tactics that Akou can imitate
You're just acting like Riboku figured it out while leading the charge, similar to how Duke Hyou steamrolled Riboku's tactic in Kankou lol

Like what exactly? Shells and Joints was shown to be among Ousen’s Arsenal, it was never said that he had better tactics.
"Akou can imitate a number of Ousens tactics"
Do I even need to say that Akou cannot imitate all of Ousens tactics lol
Unless you reckon Akou can imitate the most complex tactics but not the more casual ones

Sure, but that contradicts what you said about Ousen beating Riboku. Ousen himself said Riboku was the better tactician and he only won because of his subordinates.
Better tactician because he pulled a Kanki level risk of killing Makou, some tactics lol
You're acting like Kaine now, Riboku was defeated even with his advantage in supplies, numbers, and Houken intervening without Ribokus knowledge lmao
At least Ousen had to make some effort to nurture these pawns of his

I have been battling Ousen wankers for years now lmfao. Definitely among the most unreasonable Kingdom fans
You literally stan the Shanks of Kingdom, Red Admiral vibes :giogio:

Here we fucking go lmfao.

You know full well Ousen is regarded as the four most important (not strongest) generals of the era because of shit he achieves years after what is happening right now.
You just added Ordo as a candidate to generals stronger than Ousen
Are you listening to yourself Lee
:sanmoji:

Anyway, SHK told Shin that his qin 6 master tactician mentor told him years ago how Ousen was on Qin 6 level strategically, and then Heki said that if Ousen was on that level years ago, how strong is he now lmao

The fact is , even SHK was shocked at Ousen's request before departing to Zhao, not to mention how he planned for Gyou's campaign under fire from Zhao scouts. Overall he crushed Riboku in Gyou's conquest and there's nothing you can really say to disprove that.

You can try the royal kantan army cope but both Ousen and Riboku knew Zhao king wouldnt deploy that
:goatasure:

Next you’ll claim Ousen can beat Moubu and Ouki in a 2v1 fight because Renpa compared Ousen to Hakuki.
No but Ordo can 😂

So yeah, Shibashou will surely roll Ousen like a joint in a plains battle as would any heavily martial great General. Ousen earns his victories strategically, not in the plains lol.
The only way to take down Ousen, the man who doesnt enter a battle he cant win, is to convince him he can win a battle he cannot
This is how his army is losing this fight, not only is there a 50k disadvantage as usual, but theres also no intel on Shibashou, a general Riboku trusts more than himself to take down Ousen

Still, Hara will portray Ousen doing the best damage control he can while others like Shin, Ouhon or YTW will be opening holes in Qin defense

Friendly reminder that irl Ousen married El Sei's daughter, thats how mighty he was lol
 

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You're just acting like Riboku figured it out while leading the charge, similar to how Duke Hyou steamrolled Riboku's tactic in Kankou lol
No I’m not, I’m acting like Shibashou would plow through that shit as that was the entire point of Hara showing Riboku dismantling that defense. Any 3GH will surpass Ousen’s defensive tactics, and Shibashou would do that through sheer martial might.

Unless you reckon Akou can imitate the most complex tactics but not the more casual ones
TF is a casual tactic lmfao. Literally that entire scene hyped that tactic up as one of Ousen’s best.

Better tactician because he pulled a Kanki level risk of killing Makou, some tactics lol
And Ousen achieved nothing by comparison lol. Shit on Riboku’s tactic, Ousen sat there fingering himself while Riboku took Makou out and Ousen had no answer.

At least Ousen had to make some effort to nurture these pawns of his
He literally did nothing. Lmfao

You literally stan the Shanks of Kingdom, Red Admiral vibes :giogio:
I assume you’re referring to Shouheikun lol,

And no, the Celestial Dragon Saint ‘Red Rat’ Shanks of Kingdom, the idol character who shows the MC what reaching his dream means, was Ouki. Ouki also just so happens to be one million times superior to Celestial Dragon Saint ‘Red Rat’ Shanks as a character lol.

You just added Ordo as a candidate to generals stronger than Ousen
I said more important, not stronger

Fucking Ousen fans dude lmfao.

Overall he crushed Riboku in Gyou's conquest and there's nothing you can really say to disprove that.
Good because I haven’t said anything about it lol. All I’ve done is reference Ousen’s exact opinion on the matter, which is that Riboku was superior to him.

Friendly reminder that irl Ousen married El Sei's daughter, thats how mighty he was lol
Spoiler tag dude lol
 
But he introduced Futei, Kaine and Bananji
:hope:
Bananji is cool and Kaine is alright but Futei is indeed a mighty L. :bamathink:

Hmm, might need to re-evaluate. :quest:
What about the man who steps out mid battle infront of tens of thousands of angry little soldiers in one of the most heated battles in China's history and goes like "yo whats up, join me Riboku"
:araboss:
Ousen nearly inadvertently ended up with Futei in his retinue. Man dodged a bullet. :jay-he:
 
More spoilers :


yotanwa is leading the left wing (70k troops)
shin is leading the right wing
leaked pics will be shared tmrw and the full chapter will be available in monday

the zhao commander facing shin has originally 70k troops,but qin's intel said they only have 60k troops
also,no more infos from kndushi until tmrw

also,shin has 30k troops and he's facing a commander with 60k troops
 
Except Ousen's pawns were using their own initiative without Ousen's direct input. We have been here before.
It's his way of handling things. Also HSUs awakening was under Ousen's calculations.


Ousen flat out beat Riboku on the campaign strategy though. He just wasn't as good as Riboku when it came to battlefield tactics on Shukai Plains.
In regards to the Gyou Campaign's overall grand strategy, sure but not in regards to Shukai Plains. Not according to Ousen himself anyway. Lol.
In Shukai plains, both were targeting the enemy general of one wing on day one. Ousen's wave attack was more impressive and Riboku's way handling bigger task to remove enemy commander of the wing himself was also quite impressive. Riboku was successful there. But stalemate later on.

In the right wing, again Qin was the first one to lose a general and GakuEi around at the same time for zhao but Ousen calculated HSUs awakening and later Riboku lost both CGR and Gyou'un.

In the central battlefield, Riboku outright got demolished with Ousen's was of doing things. It was at this moment both came face to face and Riboku there had no counter for Ousen's movements. Even when Riboku got his Pokémon back there, situation didn't look good for him.

So bro we can't just look at Ousen's comments on how they won but as a whole not only Ousen won the campaign but enemy generals/key figures accepted that it is Ousen who defeated Riboku.
 
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