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[SakazOuki]

Bro. If Riboku was able to pick Shells and Joints apart with one glance, what do you think Shibashou is about to do lol.

Riboku with a high ground, being in the midst of battle is pretty different

Ousen ain’t stopping Shibashou, he couldn’t even stop Bananji entirely and Bananji wasn't even fully serious @Xione

Riboku was helpless against Shiryou’s assault on his HQ, by his own words without Batei his HQ would’ve crumbled
At least Bananji is still a respectable name lmfao

And Shibashou is Riboku’s peer. Riboku dismantled Ousen’s defense with one glance, Shibashou will dismantle Ousen’s defense with martial might.

Riboku lost against Ousen, which meens Riboku’s peer will lose too
Except Shibashou is superior to Riboku, his army is superior too, which is why he will pull a win against Ousen and avenge Riboku

 

[Rumble]

If Ou Sen uses the HSA, his army has little to fear.

Shin, Kyou Kai, Kyou Rei and the archer bros put the firepower advantage squarely in Ou Sen’s favour.

I’m curious whether SBS will also command one of the armies of Ganmon and Gian. I can see A Kou slaying En Kan.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Riboku with a high ground, being in the midst of battle is pretty different

What high ground? A fucking hill lol? There are a lot of hills lying around China dude lmfao. And there was no mention of Riboku only able to decipher Shells and Joints because of a hill, no clue where you got that from.

Riboku was helpless against Shiryou’s assault on his HQ, by his own words without Batei his HQ would’ve crumbled

What the fuck are you talking about lol…Shiryou got completely stalled out by Riboku’s troops. The Hi Shin Unit was the only threat to Riboku.

Riboku lost against Ousen, which meens Riboku’s peer will lose too

Ousen said the only reason he won was because of his subordinates lol. So unless Ousen’s subordinates once again win the battle for him, Ousen is getting rolled like a joint in a plains fight against Shibashou.

Y’all’s overestimation if Ousen is just disgusting lmfao. The man has his weaknesses as we’ve seen for 15 years now.

 

[MarineHQ]

Calling it now, Ousen is about to get dogwalked. Ousen’s strength is in strategic warfare, on the field he is about to get completely rolled over by Shibashou. We may even see a Qin retreat to more favorable terrain or something because Ousen will crumble to Shibashou on flat land.

Ousen will retreat most likely but it is still Ousen. He won't just get clapped.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Ousen will retreat most likely but it is still Ousen. He won't just get clapped.

If he retreats he’ll be fine, but in the field against a martial 3GH he is doomed. It’s Ousen so I don’t think he’ll want any business with Shibashou after seeing him in action.

But y’all can’t forget the narrators words. Hango is the bloodiest battle for Qin in the history of the Warring States era. I think it’s no coincidence that Hara has written Shibashou the way he has knowing this. Qin will probably have over 100k killed in action this battle.

 

[SakazOuki]

What high ground? A fucking hill lol? There are a lot of hills lying around China dude lmfao. And there was no mention of Riboku only able to decipher Shells and Joints because of a hill, no clue where you got that from.

Thats how tactics work, Riboku and Gohomei (who travels on a tower as tall as Khalifa tower) have already explained how valuable it is to have a high ground when countering tactics. Charging into a formation without the leisure time to analyze it is where the problem lies.

And this is simply one of the more casual Ousen tactics that Akou can imitate, there’s more in his arsenal naturally

What the fuck are you talking about lol…Shiryou got completely stalled out by Riboku’s troops. The Hi Shin Unit was the only threat to Riboku.

Lmfao no, Riboku was completely helpless against Shiryou, it was Batei who came to the rescue at the end

Ousen said the only reason he won was because of his subordinates lol. So unless Ousen’s subordinates once again win the battle for him, Ousen is getting rolled like a joint in a plains fight against Shibashou.

And Riboku will win this war because of his subordinates lmfao
He even gave Shibashou the mantle because he knows he is stronger than him (at least on plains)

Y’all’s overestimation if Ousen is just disgusting lmfao. The man has his weaknesses as we’ve seen for 15 years now.

You’re pretty salty about Ousen for some reason lol
-He’s one of the top 4 in history
-Renpa compares him to Hakuki
-Beat Riboku for Gyou with all kinds of disadvantages

And now Zhao needs intel manipulation to take him down lol

 

[SakazOuki]

Qin losing this war will definitely not be Ousen’s fault, Hara will not sacrifice Ousen’s hype for anyone
Either Shin, Ouhon or YTW will make some fatal mistake

 

[Rumble]

There’s really no reason to believe Hara wouldn’t have SBS just straight up beat Ou Sen for his debut battle.

Evidently, Hara is not as concerned with wins and losses.

He still praises Ou Ki every chance he gets despite him losing the only battle we ever got to see him command.

He never once took shine off RBK despite his many errors and numerous losses.

He wrote it so Ou Sen admitted Ri Boku had outperformed him at Shukai, despite the Qin victory, which he credited to the presence of the Q3.

Wins and losses are a each part of war. Those that live for decades in the business of warfare - with rare exception - are bound to take losses. Sometimes that’s even part of a strategy. I don’t think that’s the case in this instance, but the point is that shit happens.

 

[Dot]

Ri Boku watched A Kou army for three days to figure out Joints formation weakness. That formation was not even used by Ou Sen himself in this scenario and it give them so much trouble.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Thats how tactics work, Riboku and Gohomei (who travels on a tower as tall as Khalifa tower) have already explained how valuable it is to have a high ground when countering tactics. Charging into a formation without the leisure time to analyze it is where the problem lies.

And nowhere in Shukai Plains was it stated that Riboku would have been helpless against Shells and Joints without high ground. This is something you made up from thin air bro.

And this is simply one of the more casual Ousen tactics that Akou can imitate, there’s more in his arsenal naturally

Like what exactly? Shells and Joints was shown to be among Ousen’s Arsenal, it was never said that he had better tactics.

And Riboku will win this war because of his subordinates lmfao

Sure, but that contradicts what you said about Ousen beating Riboku. Ousen himself said Riboku was the better tactician and he only won because of his subordinates.

You’re pretty salty about Ousen for some reason lol

I have been battling Ousen wankers for years now lmfao. Definitely among the most unreasonable Kingdom fans.

-He’s one of the top 4 in history

Here we fucking go lmfao.

You know full well Ousen is regarded as the four most important (not strongest) generals of the era because of shit he achieves years after what is happening right now.

-Renpa compares him to Hakuki

And here you go pulling context-less Ousen hype to justify shit that Ousen has no business pulling off lol. Next you’ll claim Ousen can beat Moubu and Ouki in a 2v1 fight because Renpa compared Ousen to Hakuki.

Ousen is a commander with weaknesses, Hara has told us this several times. Particularly Ousen is weaker in the field than he is when fighting strategic battles against his enemies. He beat Renpa not by fighting him head on, but by pulling back to a mountain fortress and camping. He couldn’t even beat Ordo head on but instead had to bait Ordo into turning his back.

And he, by his own admission, would have lost to Riboku were it not for his subordinates.

So yeah, Shibashou will surely roll Ousen like a joint in a plains battle as would any heavily martial great General. Ousen earns his victories strategically, not in the plains lol.

 

[FutureWarrior123]

I would've liked to see Riboku get payback against Ousen for a defeat he had no business losing, but what we have right now is more interesting. Shibashou needs that clout.

You know full well Ousen is regarded as the four most important (not strongest) generals of the era because of shit he achieves years after what is happening right now.

Interesting. Who would you place above Ousen, aside from Riboku of course?

 

[Monet]

There’s really no reason to believe Hara wouldn’t have SBS just straight up beat Ou Sen for his debut battle.

Evidently, Hara is not as concerned with wins and losses.

He still praises Ou Ki every chance he gets despite him losing the only we ever got to see him command.

He never once took shine off RBK despite his many errors and numerous losses.

He wrote it so Ou Sen admitted Ri Boku had outperformed him at Shukai, despite the Qin victory, which he credited to the presence of the Q3.

Wins and losses are part of war. Those that live for decades in the business of warfare - with rare exception - are bound to take losses. Sometimes that’s even part of a strategy. I don’t think that’s the case in this instance, but to point is that shin happens.

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i don't know why most of the fans think ousen will not taste a defeat, if you are thinking about history then jt it doesn't matter .
rbk in history didn't lose any battle but still hara gave him many defeats lol.
and it will be the same for ousen.

 

[God Buggy]

Ousen Sama

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Interesting. Who would you place above Ousen, aside from Riboku of course?

At EOS? Nobody really lol. If we’re talking EOS then Ousen’s only peers would be Rishin, Moubu, Hakuki, Riboku, Mouten, Ouhon, etc..the all-timers.

My point was that you can’t just pull random bits of Ousen hype to justify anything. Like ignoring what Hara has written about him because in 12 years he’ll be a top 4 most important general. Like, no. Lol

 

[FutureWarrior123]

My point was that you can’t just pull random bits of Ousen hype to justify anything. Like ignoring what Hara has written about him because in 12 years he’ll be a top 4 most important general. Like, no. Lol

Currently, who exactly would be more a more important general than Ousen, knowing what we know?

 

[Rumble]

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i don't know why most of the fans think ousen will not taste a defeat, if you are thinking about history then jt it doesn't matter .
rbk in history didn't lose any battle but still hara gave him many defeats lol.
and it will be the same for ousen.

I don’t know if this is just me, but I think a lot of people take for granted that Ou Sen will be undefeated, like the second coming of Haku Ki.

Maybe they’re right and Ou Sen does go undefeated through the entire series, but that is not promised, and I don’t think Hara has done anything to give the impression that it is.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Currently, who exactly would be more a more important general than Ousen, knowing what we know?

More important? Well Riboku for one, he defeated Qin last year (Ousen included) and slayed Kanki.

Kou En for two, still the most hyped General in China.

Hell Ousen’s own subordinates were even mad that Tou and Moubu were ranked ‘above’ Ousen lol.

The other states still have their premier Generals like Ordo and Rakuakan, I guess you could argue they are more ‘important’ than Ousen as well as they are the premier generals of their states and Ousen is not.

 

[Shanks]

Spoilers :

Zhao's total strength is 300k

 

[FutureWarrior123]

More important? Well Riboku for one, he defeated Qin last year (Ousen included) and slayed Kanki.

Kou En for two, still the most hyped General in China.

Hell Ousen’s own subordinates were even mad that Tou and Moubu were ranked ‘above’ Ousen lol.

The other states still have their premier Generals like Ordo and Rakuakan, I guess you could argue they are more ‘important’ than Ousen as well as they are the premier generals of their states and Ousen is not.

Riboku is a no brainer, and Kouen is quite likely.

Moubu and Tou kind of confuses me. Even if you were to argue them being better generals, Ousen in just one single campaign initiated the timer to an entire state's lifeline. I'm curious as to Hara's logic regarding this.

Ordo and Rakuakan? Cmon my guy lol.

 

[PlasmaSnake]

Spoilers :

Zhao's total strength is 300k

And Qin's?