Is Bleach Better than Kingdom?


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I remember during Bayou campaign, Qin struggled to raise enough men to counter Zhao when they were attacking Wei with 200000. Now Qin is easily raising 200k, 300k in back to back campaigns. It’s crazy lol.

SHK being ahead of RBK is not true looool. Maybe Sei is just encouraging SHK out of depression. Riboku achieved 60-70% victories in Gian and Hango from pure planning. He was extremely successful in luring Qin into his trap and withholding information about his schemes. It’s the job of SHK to predict these and counter those plans. Ousen and Kanki were at a huge disadvantage due to his inability tbh. He has already failed during coalition army invasion as well. Quite a lot of crippling failures tbh.

These new reforms to enhance Qin’s military is interesting. Let’s see what those are
also shk plan to delve into heart of zhao and take gyo shattered when they reached reirsubi , it was thanks to Ousen cuz he carried them from that point.


SHK is just a big failure and so much overrated, even though i don't dislike him.

but what he really did achieve ?!
nothing 🤣.
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Now realise HOW marvellous And astonishing RBK Is.
he is doing SHK job and thr generals at the field on same fucking time and winning. :shocked:
 
Anybody else hate how only Qin are the ones suffering the recoil from the wasted manpower and not Zhao too?

the former is a superstate like Chu and has been constantly pumping out 200k~ soldiers every year for war, but every arc its always Zhao who outnumbers them despite being a mid tier state that lost half its territory in Gyou…

How does this make sense? Where does Riboku keep getting all these hundreds of thousands of soldiers from? In real life HE was the one getting outnumbered by Qin, which made his victories, pyrrhic or not, even more impressive…

:kaidowhat:
 
Anybody else hate how only Qin are the ones suffering the recoil from the wasted manpower and not Zhao too?

the former is a superstate like Chu and has been constantly pumping out 200k~ soldiers every year for war, but every arc its always Zhao who outnumbers them despite being a mid tier state that lost half its territory in Gyou…

How does this make sense? Where does Riboku keep getting all these hundreds of thousands of soldiers from? In real life HE was the one getting outnumbered by Qin, which made his victories, pyrrhic or not, even more impressive…

:kaidowhat:
Nah, Zhao are basically in a state of all-out war against Qin and it's easier for them to mobilize troops on their own territory. Where as Qin have higher needs, since they can't just throw their entire military at invasion of one state and still need to watch out for attacks from other states.

Besides, the manga already adressed that Seika army suffered loses in prievious battle.
 
Anybody else hate how only Qin are the ones suffering the recoil from the wasted manpower and not Zhao too?

the former is a superstate like Chu and has been constantly pumping out 200k~ soldiers every year for war, but every arc its always Zhao who outnumbers them despite being a mid tier state that lost half its territory in Gyou…

How does this make sense? Where does Riboku keep getting all these hundreds of thousands of soldiers from? In real life HE was the one getting outnumbered by Qin, which made his victories, pyrrhic or not, even more impressive…

:kaidowhat:
Besides what Cichy said, it is probably for story purposes that Hara has Qin having less troops per battle to make it appear like Qin has less plot armour. If Hara followed historically accurate Qin, Qin would be far more monstrous than it is in the manga. Lol.
 
Mfw Qin has conquered all states but one but the final one somehow still pulls more soldiers than Qin
:seriously:
they are breeding all these years preparing for qin cuz they know they are the final enemy
:suresure:
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:kriwhat:
I definitely think Hara will write it as a bad thing that began with pure intentions.

Hara has said that he is nervous to how people will react to Ei Sei becoming evil, which tells me that Hara will slowly transition Ei Sei into villainous territory rather than just having one single event making him a tyrant.

Ei Sei already completely overlooked Kanki’s slaughter of 100,000 Zhao men. How do you think this looks to the rest of China? We as the reader understand why Ei Sei had to forgive Kanki, but that is little consolation to the families of the slaughtered men and the men themselves.

Now Ei Sei is going to further conscript his own people even with figures like Riboku, Shouheikun, and Rishi no longer believing unification is possible. We as the reader understand why he’s doing this, but what consolation will that be to the people who are expected to bleed and die for a state that has come no closer to unification?

This is how Ei Sei becomes a tyrant imo. Slow decisions that have some understandable or even good hearted explanations that over time will have very negative consequences and will snowball into Sei being viewed as a tyrant.

Couple this with Sei’s madness which will begin to escalate once again in the next few years, and Hara is slowly walking his readership to an evil Ei Sei so as to not lose them from shock lol.
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Tens of millions per the manga.

I really hope this is the outcome but I am afraid he will treat sei as he did with kanki defeat not kanki character.

kanki defeat it benefits his character more .
so .aybe hara will do the same he will make him tyrant on paper but for the readers he will not be like that.
 
Anybody else hate how only Qin are the ones suffering the recoil from the wasted manpower and not Zhao too?

the former is a superstate like Chu and has been constantly pumping out 200k~ soldiers every year for war, but every arc its always Zhao who outnumbers them despite being a mid tier state that lost half its territory in Gyou…

How does this make sense? Where does Riboku keep getting all these hundreds of thousands of soldiers from? In real life HE was the one getting outnumbered by Qin, which made his victories, pyrrhic or not, even more impressive…

:kaidowhat:
Wasn't Zhao training up every able bodied man willing to fight for the survival of their state? Riboku had to use up every resource they could squeeze out, and as many motivational speeches necessary (Gian, Seika) to convince tens of thousands to give up their lives.

This new reform is basically the same principle, though it seems like it's an obligation within Qin.
 
Funny how they're presenting something that was in effect in Qin for 100 years as a novelty lol. Not only do they barely mention Shang Yang despite his reforms being the main reason Qin was able to conquer the other states, now they're giving the credit for his work to SHK of all people :josad:
 
SHK>Riboku:absojustice:

If Riboku beating Ousen is somehow defeat of SHK, once Riboku is beaten by Qin army it'd be SHK>Riboku by same logic. Let's see if that happens, Shin has taken a oath to beat Riboku.

But i can foresee the excuses already, i.e Zhou court/King will not support him or punish him. Blah blah
If Seika helping him is Riboku victory. If Ousen/Qin army mishap is SHK defeat. Then these side factors don't matter, the path to unification of Qin is going to be created by SHK rn while fighting entirety of China in his head and so he deserves my wank :luffyswat:
 
SHK>Riboku:absojustice:

If Riboku beating Ousen is somehow defeat of SHK, once Riboku is beaten by Qin army it'd be SHK>Riboku by same logic. Let's see if that happens, Shin has taken a oath to beat Riboku.

But i can foresee the excuses already, i.e Zhou court/King will not support him or punish him. Blah blah
If Seika helping him is Riboku victory. If Ousen/Qin army mishap is SHK defeat. Then these side factors don't matter, the path to unification of Qin is going to be created by SHK rn while fighting entirety of China in his head and so he deserves my wank :luffyswat:
SHK didn’t contribute a lot to any of the Qin’s victories though (maybe he contributed to logistics and gathering humongous forces so fairs). But all his strategical work has been useless for a long time. In Gyou arc, his whole plan was useless and Ousen had to improvise. Last two arcs, he got played by Riboku so easily. SHK was lured by Riboku to attack northern Zhao where he has carefully setup big traps to win. He was fooled twice in quick succession lol. Riboku so far has been miles better because he achieved his victory mostly just by his planning. SHK didn’t show any of this so far in the story while Riboku has shown it multiple times starting from Bayou. SHK’s plans have succeeded only twice so far I think. Sanyou campaign and Kanmei’s defeat in coalition arc. He has failed so many times though.

But yeah I really hope Shin defeats Riboku instead of Kakukai and Zhao court shenanigans. There is too much buildup for this to not happen imo.
 
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