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What do you mean he responded? He clashed with Tou, but we've already seen evidence of Tou regaining his strength considering he nearly decapitated Raku and blocked Yoko in the middle of his attack.
The reason Raku has already lost isn't so much the individual threat posed by Tou right in from him so much as his army being thrown into disarray after Tou's morale boost leading to a huge push by the Qin. The next chapter remarks on how more and more of Tou's cavalry are pouring in.
Yoko showed up to get Raku to safety, not to salvage the battle, which was already lost on two fronts.
I don't see the purpose of it either, if it is indeed the case Yoko is someone with a significant past. That's the vibe I'm getting.
Perhaps he's a former enforcer of Wei that served in Go Kei's army and switched allegiances, or whatever. I may be misinterpreting the chapter altogether.
The Han are falling back to make camp in another spot, perhaps we'll learn then.
The reason Raku has already lost isn't so much the individual threat posed by Tou right in from him so much as his army being thrown into disarray after Tou's morale boost leading to a huge push by the Qin. The next chapter remarks on how more and more of Tou's cavalry are pouring in.
Yoko showed up to get Raku to safety, not to salvage the battle, which was already lost on two fronts.
I don't see the purpose of it either, if it is indeed the case Yoko is someone with a significant past. That's the vibe I'm getting.
Perhaps he's a former enforcer of Wei that served in Go Kei's army and switched allegiances, or whatever. I may be misinterpreting the chapter altogether.
The Han are falling back to make camp in another spot, perhaps we'll learn then.
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The manga attributes it to both of them, so there's no reason to doubt her involvement.
The manga attributes the use of psychological warfare to the both of them. That part isn't in dispute.
In the absence of further context, the solution Tou put forward of using non-soldiers should be credited Tou alone.
If the use of non-soldiers specifically was the plan all along, Tou would've led with that, rather than asking for another 100K soldiers without specifiying, and then suggesting non-soldiers as a solution.
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The strategy Kyou Kai was credited for contributing to was the use of psychological warfare, i.e. to take Nanyou without fighting. That's as far the context goes.
Tou brought up non-soldiers after he was told an additional 100K army was impossible.
What doesn't make sense is for Tou to lead with a request for resources you suggest he wasn't after in the first place.
However you want to dice it, this characterisation is incorrect.
Whether Tou was planning to ask for non-soldiers all along or not, there is no context or evidence suggesting Kyou Kai came up with that part of the plan.
Tou brought up non-soldiers after he was told an additional 100K army was impossible.
What doesn't make sense is for Tou to lead with a request for resources you suggest he wasn't after in the first place.
However you want to dice it, this characterisation is incorrect.
Whether Tou was planning to ask for non-soldiers all along or not, there is no context or evidence suggesting Kyou Kai came up with that part of the plan.
You guys should stop with this "enemy general X will join Qin" bullshit. 
Those guys hate Qin with burning passion and have no reason to join their ranks. I already heard many times how Juko'ou will surely join Tou Army, because he was captured alive and he's nowhere to be seen.
Those guys hate Qin with burning passion and have no reason to join their ranks. I already heard many times how Juko'ou will surely join Tou Army, because he was captured alive and he's nowhere to be seen.
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If Yoko returned before Haku died, and before Raku was in position he would have to retreat, Tou would be forced to deal with Yoko personally, or sacrifice a bunch of men to contain him, but neither would necessarily prevent someone else from taking advantage of Kan Ou's move.
As in, Yoko never Raku's side to go to Haku's battlefield? Then Shin probably doesn't get hurt and Haku probably dies sooner, which would in turn lead to HSU forces flocking over to support Tou anyway.
Tou would obviously have to go for a different approach too, which would slow down his own charge, but not necessarily how quickly the battle concluded.
In both scenarios, leaving Haku on an island with Shin would probably lead to a swifter defeat and the HSU coming over in numbers to support.
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If Yoko returned before Haku died, and before Raku was in position he would have to retreat, Tou would be forced to deal with Yoko personally, or sacrifice a bunch of men to contain him, but neither would necessarily prevent someone else from taking advantage of Kan Ou's move.
As in, Yoko never Raku's side to go to Haku's battlefield? Then Shin probably doesn't get hurt and Haku probably dies sooner, which would in turn lead to HSU forces flocking over to support Tou anyway.
Tou would obviously have to go for a different approach too, which would slow down his own charge, but not necessarily how quickly the battle concluded.
In both scenarios, leaving Haku on an island with Shin would probably lead to a swifter defeat and the HSU coming over in numbers to support.
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I wasn’t really thinking of the other battlefield, but specifically how Tou vs Raku would have gone if both sides were all in.
Would Raku retreat with Yoku if there was no threat from the next battlefield?
In fairness to Raku, he literally gave up his main asset for most of this war. It was Tou plus 3 Generals vs just Raku
Would Raku retreat with Yoku if there was no threat from the next battlefield?
In fairness to Raku, he literally gave up his main asset for most of this war. It was Tou plus 3 Generals vs just Raku
It's difficult to answer with any measure of clarity.
Tou decided on charging in the way he did because Yoko was dispatched to Shin's battlefield. If Yoko hadn't left Raku's side, Tou and his generals would probably approach things differently.
With Yoko still in play, I don't see Raku finding himself out of position in an identical situation, at least not so quickly.
Raku and Haku both excel at encirclements.
Raku could have used Yoko in a number of ways to essentially lock him in a cell with Tou or his generals, one at a time or otherwise.
Given his analytical nature, had Yoko remained on the battlefield, Tou probably would've either hung back to assess his strength to make a determination on whether to deal with himself or leave him to be contained by his subordinates. Hard to say, but I don't think he would have decided on the same approach.
The problem for Han with Yoko at Raku's side though, is that it would leave Haku vulnerable to a much swifter defeat as it was only because Yoko could exchange with Shin for a time that the latter was encircled and subsequently got hurt in the first place.
Tou decided on charging in the way he did because Yoko was dispatched to Shin's battlefield. If Yoko hadn't left Raku's side, Tou and his generals would probably approach things differently.
With Yoko still in play, I don't see Raku finding himself out of position in an identical situation, at least not so quickly.
Raku and Haku both excel at encirclements.
Raku could have used Yoko in a number of ways to essentially lock him in a cell with Tou or his generals, one at a time or otherwise.
Given his analytical nature, had Yoko remained on the battlefield, Tou probably would've either hung back to assess his strength to make a determination on whether to deal with himself or leave him to be contained by his subordinates. Hard to say, but I don't think he would have decided on the same approach.
The problem for Han with Yoko at Raku's side though, is that it would leave Haku vulnerable to a much swifter defeat as it was only because Yoko could exchange with Shin for a time that the latter was encircled and subsequently got hurt in the first place.
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Have you seen what that mfer did to KAN KI?
I'd rather not learn a damn thing about Tou's background if it's of the same quality as the weak shit Hara cooked up for one of his most compelling characters in the series - which he said he made up as he went, i.e. it wasn't something he gave its proper due.
I'd rather not learn a damn thing about Tou's background if it's of the same quality as the weak shit Hara cooked up for one of his most compelling characters in the series - which he said he made up as he went, i.e. it wasn't something he gave its proper due.
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No. The strategy that Kyoukai contributed was the plan they used in practice. Kyoukai was literally credited for the strategy of conquest of Nanyou, not just some weg "psychological warfare" idea.
Definition of strategy - a plan of action designed to achieve a long-term or overall aim.
This is what Kyoukai brought up to the table according to manga.
Tou brought up he needs an army. He didn't say he needs an army of soldiers. When Shouheikun expressed his concerns he simply specified that he means an army of old men.
Definition of strategy - a plan of action designed to achieve a long-term or overall aim.
This is what Kyoukai brought up to the table according to manga.
Tou brought up he needs an army. He didn't say he needs an army of soldiers. When Shouheikun expressed his concerns he simply specified that he means an army of old men.