Is Bleach Better than Kingdom?


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And throughout the arc, I think he has suprised or shocked Riboku more than any other commander did. Kanki has often relied on his deadly "take the head" strategies and we see it applied here too. Ousen said that Kanki's thoughts escape even him and Riboku said that if he ever were to lose badly enough that it could cost him his life, it would be because Kanki was his opponent.
This arc made me realize how important matchups are. Kanki may not be the greatest general in the world, but he has a better chance of defeating Riboku than anybody, even more than Ousen. Riboku even believes this, which you said.

Ousen and Riboku have somewhat similar ways of thinking when it comes to strategy. Kanki on the other hand functions on a completely different wavelength.
 
If not for Shin Kanki does not even leave the circle
Day 1: 100k qin soldiers low diffed and Kanki's head will be on a spike
Then Shin manages to pull some miracle and capture Gian which gave Kanki a base yet people wanna act like Kanki has proven to be superior to Riboku
He got 90% of his army killed, got bailed by Shin on 2 occasions and then managed to put Riboku in a dangerous scenario which is pretty cool i guess but it will fail in the end anyway
 
If not for Shin Kanki does not even leave the circle
Day 1: 100k qin soldiers low diffed and Kanki's head will be on a spike
Then Shin manages to pull some miracle and capture Gian which gave Kanki a base yet people wanna act like Kanki has proven to be superior to Riboku
He got 90% of his army killed, got bailed by Shin on 2 occasions and then managed to put Riboku in a dangerous scenario which is pretty cool i guess but it will fail in the end anyway
It's pure Kan Ki stan cope.

There's no rhyme or reason to it beyond that.
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Definitely, Riboku got nothing on both Kanki and Ousen imo
The advantage of numbers, quality generals and homeland territory wasn't enough for him to gain the upperhand, that seals it.
VS Ou Sen
- killed Ma Kou
- put A Kou out of commission
- Ou Sen admitting Ri Boku performed better
- Ou Sen admitting they won because of "better cards"

vs Kan Ki
- anticipated Kan Ki would push ahead where others wouldn't
- buried 40,000 Qin at Roumou
- buried 130,000 between Gishi Plains and Sekirei, includ
- all but eliminated the Zenou clan
- all but eliminated the Shuma clan

Do y'all even read what you write? Ridiculous.
 
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Despite Riboku knowing Kanki's capabilities he still managed to be psychologically manipulated by him, and he didn't even know till he was cornered.

Kanki is a beast.
Let's put that into some perspective though. Kanki's psychological warfare is (in part) so incredible due to the pure, evil depths that he is prepared to go to.

Riboku is by nature a good person. He cares for his state. Anyone who cares for people will automatically be in trouble against someone who is more than happy to play 'against the rules' and torture, mutilate and murder innocent civilians. If Kanki's exact scheme was replicated by anyone else (bar someone like Mangoku lol), then Riboku would not have been in a phycological mess.

I suspect a guy like Ousen would be less likely to be caught out here, because he puts his own life above civilians.
 
Let's put that into some perspective though. Kanki's psychological warfare is (in part) so incredible due to the pure, evil depths that he is prepared to go to.

Riboku is by nature a good person. He cares for his state. Anyone who cares for people will automatically be in trouble against someone who is more than happy to play 'against the rules' and torture, mutilate and murder innocent civilians. If Kanki's exact scheme was replicated by anyone else (bar someone like Mangoku lol), then Riboku would not have been in a phycological mess.

I suspect a guy like Ousen would be less likely to be caught out here, because he puts his own life above civilians.
nah you are wrong
mayny are saying this ousen will not fall to this etc.
rbk didn't fall in this trap cuz ge care about thr citizens , he did cuz he was afraid to lose the support from the North.

if ousen was in his place it will be the same
losing the north is checkmate for zhao.
 
vs Kan Ki
- anticipated Kan Ki would push ahead where others wouldn't
- buried 40,000 Qin at Roumou
- buried 130,000 between Gishi Plains and Sekirei, includ
- all but eliminated the Zenou clan
- all but eliminated the Shuma clan
agree with what you say Vs Ousen but against Kanki, he had a whole 2 years to prepare in advance and accumulated huge army just for the sole purpose of ambushing him. Granted he correctly predicted where the attack is gonna be in advance but all his achievements were due to him having big numbers and good Generals. Roumou happened because Seika Generals were too OP and Qin general was a wannabe.
 
agree with what you say Vs Ousen but against Kanki, he had a whole 2 years to prepare in advance and accumulated huge army just for the sole purpose of ambushing him. Granted he correctly predicted where the attack is gonna be in advance but all his achievements were due to him having big numbers and good Generals. Roumou happened because Seika Generals were too OP and Qin general was a wannabe.
Ri Boku has known Kan Ki’s weakness for 2 years, but that’s not how long this ambush was in the making.

Ri Boku spent a year hiding in Seika, uncertain when he’d be back in the game, and without any guarantee he would. He set his sights on avenging Eikyuu 6 months ago and put everything into motion then.

Talent for talent, Kan Ki has three (more like 4) 6GG talents in Shin, Mou Ten and Kyou Kai (and Ka Ryo Ten) that have all distinguished themselves and far better fighters in Ai Sen, Kyou Rei, Zenou and Shu Ma among others. The Qin have the clear advantage here.

You’d have a point with the numbers if that wasn’t by design. Ri Boku anticipated and planned ahead to allow only a quarter of the Tai Gen Army to reach Kan Ki because he knew he would go ahead anyway.

People want to act like Ri Boku completely misunderstands Kan Ki’s. That isn’t true. Much of what has happened, has happened exactly the way he anticipated.

This arc has been bad for Kan Ki. He needs a major scalp to win back some respect.
 
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Talent for talent, Kan Ki has three (more like 4) 6GG talents in Shin, Mou Ten and Kyou Kai (and Ka Ryo Ten) that have all distinguished themselves and far better fighters in Ai Sen, Kyou Rei, Zenou and Shu Ma among others. The Qin have the clear advantage here.
did you just quote Karyo Ten as a 6GG equivalent..?? Yeah, talents were on both sides but there also exist a huge gap in numbers of soldiers they led. One can only swing their weapon for so long.
People want to act like Ri Boku completely misunderstands Kan Ki’s. That isn’t true. Much of what has happened, has happened exactly the way he anticipated.
he kinda did when he rush towards KAnki;s current trap. He also didn't expect Kanki to escape his death cage, then again never thought of Kanki sending seige unit to take Gian, never expected Kanki to move further in Zhao to Gian castle after breaking out of encirclement.
This arc has been bad Kan Ki. He needs a major scalp to win back some respect.
so far he has come so close to ending Riboku's life in the last chapter despite him taking such a huge loss so I would say he already did. although plot is gonna save Riboku from Ko Kou's arrow sadly..:kriwhat:
 
This arc has been bad for Kan Ki. He needs a major scalp to win back some respect.

you really need a glassses then cuz not even one agrree with you on this

BAD for kanki ?! this ARc ?
:risitameh::ihaha:
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If not for Shin Kanki does not even leave the circle
Day 1: 100k qin soldiers low diffed and Kanki's head will be on a spike
Then Shin manages to pull some miracle and capture Gian which gave Kanki a base yet people wanna act like Kanki has proven to be superior to Riboku
He got 90% of his army killed, got bailed by Shin on 2 occasions and then managed to put Riboku in a dangerous scenario which is pretty cool i guess but it will fail in the end anyway
if not for shin ?!
LOL shin existence or escabe on the circlment didn't add anything at all
he just felixed some instinct bullshit that led him nowhere.
at the end kanki manged to escabe alone with 100% focous from rbk on him .
about kanki army being murdered this is not something new or big
go back to sanyou it was the same he lost many of his army as well also vs kochu
only vs kisha manged to win without much loss .
 
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you really need a glassses then cuz not even one agrree with you on this

BAD for kanki ?! this ARc ?
:risitameh::ihaha:
Just look at all the Riboku's panels of this chapter. Is that the face of a guy who is having it easy? :suresure:
He is on his last leg and desperate, we all know he is surviving this but we also know it will be thanks to the biggest plot armor bullshit we've seen in this manga
 
ri boku is one of the worst characters in the series
well nah
he is was the best , but thanks to hara milking rbk everywhere
to the point now he is bad character
most of the character start normal or bad then it become great
rbk it was the opposite it started great then later everyone got bored of him and this is hara mistake
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Just look at all the Riboku's panels of this chapter. Is that the face of a guy who is having it easy? :suresure:
He is on his last leg and desperate, we all know he is surviving this but we also know it will be thanks to the biggest plot armor bullshit we've seen in this manga
exactly lol :risitavirus:

i am ok if he survived like this cuz it happend thanks to plot armor not rbk abilities
:saden: it looks great for kanki even if he got killed here
normally the plot armor work against the villain
Oh forgot :shame:
 
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did you just quote Karyo Ten as a 6GG equivalent..?? Yeah, talents were on both sides but there also exist a huge gap in numbers of soldiers they led. One can only swing their weapon for so long.
Considering her stats, intellect, education, experience and feats - I would go so far as to say Ka Ryo Ten is obviously a 6GG tier talent.

That's not even accounting for the fact how young she is, even compared to Shin and the others.

If there is a Ko Shou among the next generation of 6GG, odds are on Ten filling that slot. Fitting, considering he sensei of her sensei.

he kinda did when he rush towards KAnki;s current trap. He also didn't expect Kanki to escape his death cage, then again never thought of Kanki sending seige unit to take Gian, never expected Kanki to move further in Zhao to Gian castle after breaking out of encirclement.
No, Ri Boku did not kinda completely misunderstand Kan Ki.

Not only does that not make any sense, it simply wrong. Ri Boku has gotten more right than wrong.

He correctly read Kan Ki's weakness, correctly predicted that he would march on Gian without Ou Sen, and again press on without the bulk of the Tai Gen Army.

so far he has come so close to ending Riboku's life in the last chapter despite him taking such a huge loss so I would say he already did. although plot is gonna save Riboku from Ko Kou's arrow sadly.
All it cost him was 130,000 lives, including his personal army.

And for what? The chapter explains that a) Ri Boku was cautious even when he didn't anticipate an ambush, and b) Kan Ki failed to account for how quickly Zhao reinforcements could get to him.

Kan Ki is barely closer to taking Ri Boku's head than Shin was at Shukai.

you really need a glassses then cuz not even one agrree with you on this

BAD for kanki ?! this ARc ?
Appealing to popular opinion is hella cope.

That Kan Ki stans remain the dick-eating champions on this forum is hardly surprising, even now he's been thoroughly exposed, lost 130,000 troops in an ambush he predicted but arrogantly thought he could work to his advantage. His army is destroyed. The Zenou clan is all but extinct. The Shu Ma clan is facing the same fate.

The biggest achievements of the Qin - taking Gian - didn't have shit to do with him. It was done by the two young talents that fucking dipped and left him to fend for himself.

if not for shin ?!
LOL shin existence or escabe on the circlment didn't add anything at all
Wrong.

As direct consequence of Shin's actions, the Seika Army was effectively off the board by the time Kan Ki escaped, and even then he could only do it after outright abandoning most of his army without any intention of trying to save anyone but himself.

Had Ri Boku had the Seika army and its officers on hand, he would've likely moved Ba Nan Ji to stop Kan Ki's breakthrough with their help and succeeded.
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Just look at all the Riboku's panels of this chapter. Is that the face of a guy who is having it easy? :suresure:
He is on his last leg and desperate, we all know he is surviving this but we also know it will be thanks to the biggest plot armor bullshit we've seen in this manga
You Kan Ki stans do an excellent job at consistently congratulating each other on how correct you are for gargling on bandit nuts.

Kan Ki is surprising Ri Boku because he's pulling a Randy.
 
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nah you are wrong
mayny are saying this ousen will not fall to this etc.
rbk didn't fall in this trap cuz ge care about thr citizens , he did cuz he was afraid to lose the support from the North.

if ousen was in his place it will be the same
losing the north is checkmate for zhao.
He cares for the citizens and felt Kanki could brutalise them. That's point.

If Tou had this exact same strategy as Kanki, brutalising the civillians would not be a possibility (or probability?) and therefore, not something Riboku would crap his pants over.
 

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well nah
he is was the best , but thanks to hara milking rbk everywhere
to the point now he is bad character
most of the character start normal or bad then it become great
rbk it was the opposite it started great then later everyone got bored of him and this is hara mistake
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exactly lol :risitavirus:

i am ok if he survived like this cuz it happend thanks to plot armor not rbk abilities
:saden: it looks great for kanki even if he got killed here
normally the plot armor work against the villain
Oh forgot :shame:
rbk is a gary stu
 
lmao

When Ri Boku pulls off a stratagem, the plot breaks down and explains how and why it happened.

When Kan Ki pulls off his tricks, the plot just tells you his opponent fell for this psychological warfare and keeps it moving.

Neither is invalid, but only the former keeps getting accused of plot armour. Here's some news for you: all plot is plot armour.

Seethe, Kan Ki stans, seethe.

Your boy has been completely exposed and outright humiliated in the eyes of anyone who is remotely objective on the facts.
 

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lmao

When Ri Boku pulls off a stratagem, the plot breaks down and explains how and why it happened.

When Kan Ki pulls off his tricks, the plot just tells you his opponent fell for this psychological warfare and keeps it moving.

Neither is invalid, but only the former keeps getting accused of plot armour. Here's some news for you: all plot is plot armour.

Seethe, Kan Ki stans, seethe.

Your boy has been completely exposed and outright humiliated in the eyes of anyone who is remotely objective on the facts.
ofc it explains why it happened, that doesnt make him any less of a gary stu though.
The manga has become predictable since no matter what they do you already know that it always ends with ''it was rbk's plan all along'.
This would be cool if i was 12 yrs old though and why did you bring kanki into this?
 
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