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She doesn’t have the hype and clout of Renpa.
Renpa is like the peak of Kingdom power ladder.
Like being a Whitebeard.
Karin doesn’t have the hype or narrative to match him in a fight army vs army.
‘If Karin ends up being a BM or a Kaido it’s already huge. No need to be Renpa equal to be a monster among monsters.
‘Just I don’t think at all she will equal Ouki/Renpa as a general
Renpa is like the peak of Kingdom power ladder.
Like being a Whitebeard.
Karin doesn’t have the hype or narrative to match him in a fight army vs army.
‘If Karin ends up being a BM or a Kaido it’s already huge. No need to be Renpa equal to be a monster among monsters.
‘Just I don’t think at all she will equal Ouki/Renpa as a general
Even if the Seika boys are superior to Ousen's commanders which i think isn't unlikely, i still rate Ousen's army more.
How many times does Akou's army need to get hyped? Able to operate without the need for Akou himself and going at any openings in the enemy's position and yet, Makou's army was said to be better than even Akou's, they even adapted after losing their commander and continued to stay in the fight.
How many times does Akou's army need to get hyped? Able to operate without the need for Akou himself and going at any openings in the enemy's position and yet, Makou's army was said to be better than even Akou's, they even adapted after losing their commander and continued to stay in the fight.
As for the Qin Six/Zhao's Three comparisons:
- In the past gen, I believe Hakuki was the strongest out of all (just slightly).
- In the current gen, Riboku is the strongest but will get surpassed by individuals who are/will be part of the Qin Six. I'm thinking Ri Shin (set to be the GOAT in the manga), Ousen and perhaps Mouten and Ouhon.
So yeah. The very best Qin Six individuals, Hara values/will value them to a gigantic degree.
What I would say on the Great Heavens (Chousa included) is that (seemingly) literally every single one of them is a monster freak even for top tier standards:
- Riboku? Currently the strongest member in history amongst the Qin Six/Great Heavens. Insane.
- Renpa? Amongst the very strongest in history, ridiculous level.
- Rinshoujo? Amongst the very strongest in history, Renpa's equal, ridiculous level.
- Chousa? I've read an historical spoiler on him that, if translated in the manga, would make him wildly powerful. So yeah, I'm gonna place him right there too.
Shibashou, we'll see, but chances are that he turns out to be a real monster too.
If we paused the manga in this very moment, the Great Heavens have overall been even more impressive than the Qin Six (thanks to Riboku).
- In the past gen, I believe Hakuki was the strongest out of all (just slightly).
- In the current gen, Riboku is the strongest but will get surpassed by individuals who are/will be part of the Qin Six. I'm thinking Ri Shin (set to be the GOAT in the manga), Ousen and perhaps Mouten and Ouhon.
So yeah. The very best Qin Six individuals, Hara values/will value them to a gigantic degree.
What I would say on the Great Heavens (Chousa included) is that (seemingly) literally every single one of them is a monster freak even for top tier standards:
- Riboku? Currently the strongest member in history amongst the Qin Six/Great Heavens. Insane.
- Renpa? Amongst the very strongest in history, ridiculous level.
- Rinshoujo? Amongst the very strongest in history, Renpa's equal, ridiculous level.
- Chousa? I've read an historical spoiler on him that, if translated in the manga, would make him wildly powerful. So yeah, I'm gonna place him right there too.
Shibashou, we'll see, but chances are that he turns out to be a real monster too.
If we paused the manga in this very moment, the Great Heavens have overall been even more impressive than the Qin Six (thanks to Riboku).
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to play devil's advocate
Karin>Gekishin
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To be honest, I have thought for a decent amount of time that the Zhao Heavens are stronger than the Qin Six on average, and are the strongest great generals.
Riboku is top 1 in this era by feats and statements, Renpa is debatably the goat of the past era, RSJ is his equal, Chousha should be as well, and Shibashou could be the strongest active fighter in the manga.
Imo, the highest echelon of Great Generals in the manga consists of the Zhao Heavens, Ouki, Hakuki, Gakuki and Ousen
Karin>Gekishin
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To be honest, I have thought for a decent amount of time that the Zhao Heavens are stronger than the Qin Six on average, and are the strongest great generals.
Riboku is top 1 in this era by feats and statements, Renpa is debatably the goat of the past era, RSJ is his equal, Chousha should be as well, and Shibashou could be the strongest active fighter in the manga.
Imo, the highest echelon of Great Generals in the manga consists of the Zhao Heavens, Ouki, Hakuki, Gakuki and Ousen
And I’m almost tempted to say Gekishin’s hype was just fake given the difference between how hard Ouki and Duke Hyou pushed Riboku and Houken. Gekishin seemed like nothing in comparison to them.
The Qin 6 have been great but have suffered defeats at the hands of other Great Generals. Kanmei was great but Moubu beat him.
Literally the only time the 3GH have been beaten, it’s either at the hands of multiple Qin 6 members, miracle victories like Sei at Sai, or the state of Zhao shooting its own commanders in the foot.
Prime Gyou’Un was said to be the martial might of Zhao. That has nothing to do with Shukai Gyou’Un, Jiaga, or any current Zhao general. lol
Regarding Gekishin, him being able to at least partially reproduce Gakuki's warfare and his "legend" status where Ouki and Gekishin's death gave Riboku the needed clout to form a coalition army, that would certainly make him a Great General within the top tier range.
I would be inclined to give the edge to each of the old Great Heavens against him, though.
I would be inclined to give the edge to each of the old Great Heavens against him, though.
I should have stood my ground like I said lol. She isn’t 3GH level. She is weaker than Renpa, Rinshoujou, Chousha, and Riboku for sure. If she came over to Zhao she would probably be in that conversation but she would surely be beneath these 4 as a commander.
And it sure seems like Hara intends to give Shibashou a similar level of hype if Jiaga is already being compared to Moubu. (Regardless of if Jiaga is = to Moubu, he surely is stronger physically than Gyou’Un/Bananji/Kaishibou which hypes Shibashou himself).
Like I said I’m not a Karin hater, I’d put her above Ordo and Rakuakan but the 3GH level is the pinnacle my man. She isn’t taking Shibashou.
And it sure seems like Hara intends to give Shibashou a similar level of hype if Jiaga is already being compared to Moubu. (Regardless of if Jiaga is = to Moubu, he surely is stronger physically than Gyou’Un/Bananji/Kaishibou which hypes Shibashou himself).
Like I said I’m not a Karin hater, I’d put her above Ordo and Rakuakan but the 3GH level is the pinnacle my man. She isn’t taking Shibashou.
seriously how shin gonna surpass rbk ?
yep hara can write any bullshit he want like
rbk : oh shin you surpassed me now !!
any characters : shin is the strongest gg
or even make history narrator say it : thus among the living and the dead shin has no match under the heaven
anyone who believe shin gonna be truly gg by the end is just hallucinating :laughmoji:
yep hara can write any bullshit he want like
rbk : oh shin you surpassed me now !!
any characters : shin is the strongest gg
or even make history narrator say it : thus among the living and the dead shin has no match under the heaven
anyone who believe shin gonna be truly gg by the end is just hallucinating :laughmoji:
This 3GH hype is just getting ridiculous here.... lol
These 3 GH aren't seriously that great like you all making him. Whether it is Riboku or Renpa both lost in there home as well as in foreign lands. Both were unsuccessful in securing there lands as well.
Riboku needs years of planning and don't know how many types of fort building and other home turf advantages and than information blocking to put a fight against his opponents. And than there's his Pokémons. Lol
In the outside home fights, Riboku loses in coalition even after having humongous advantages while Renpa losing in Sanyou campaign later getting exiled from Wei as well.
Gekishin literally toyed with Riboku's strategy and later even attacked his HQ. If not for Houken, Riboku would have gotten his head rolled there. Lol
These 3 GH aren't seriously that great like you all making him. Whether it is Riboku or Renpa both lost in there home as well as in foreign lands. Both were unsuccessful in securing there lands as well.
Riboku needs years of planning and don't know how many types of fort building and other home turf advantages and than information blocking to put a fight against his opponents. And than there's his Pokémons. Lol
In the outside home fights, Riboku loses in coalition even after having humongous advantages while Renpa losing in Sanyou campaign later getting exiled from Wei as well.
Gekishin literally toyed with Riboku's strategy and later even attacked his HQ. If not for Houken, Riboku would have gotten his head rolled there. Lol
I’m about to fly to Zhao’s defense like Ouki flew across China.
Renpa lost to literally two Qin 6 members and Shin slaying Rinko. This the best Renpa downplay you’ve got? Lol
Riboku has never lost a battle that any other commander wouldn’t have lost anyway.
Riboku lost at Sai because Sei pulled off a miracle. Guess what, there isn’t a general in this manga who could have won at Sai. Shobunkun literally said that King Shou himself couldn’t have saved Sai the way Sei did.
Riboku lost Gyou because Tou Jou handed Ousen a victory on a silver platter. Give Riboku a competent King and Ousen would be dead right now lol.
“Put up a fight” lol, is that what you call body bagging top tier commanders left and right? It would be a more accurate statement to say “Riboku needs years of planning to systematically slaughter the best generals in this manga in overwhelming fashion.”
Literally if Ousen defeats a third of the names Riboku has defeated at EOS, Ousen would be a contender for strongest general ever. A third my guy.
Gekishin was said to be a 3GH level commander.
So you’re trying to downplay the Three Great Heavens by saying that Riboku’s strategy was countered by another Great Heaven? Lol
“The Three Great Heavens are not that great because the Three Great Heavens can out play each other” literally you sound hopeless my guy lmfao.
Renpa lost to literally two Qin 6 members and Shin slaying Rinko. This the best Renpa downplay you’ve got? Lol
Riboku has never lost a battle that any other commander wouldn’t have lost anyway.
Riboku lost at Sai because Sei pulled off a miracle. Guess what, there isn’t a general in this manga who could have won at Sai. Shobunkun literally said that King Shou himself couldn’t have saved Sai the way Sei did.
Riboku lost Gyou because Tou Jou handed Ousen a victory on a silver platter. Give Riboku a competent King and Ousen would be dead right now lol.
“Put up a fight” lol, is that what you call body bagging top tier commanders left and right? It would be a more accurate statement to say “Riboku needs years of planning to systematically slaughter the best generals in this manga in overwhelming fashion.”
Literally if Ousen defeats a third of the names Riboku has defeated at EOS, Ousen would be a contender for strongest general ever. A third my guy.
Gekishin was said to be a 3GH level commander.
So you’re trying to downplay the Three Great Heavens by saying that Riboku’s strategy was countered by another Great Heaven? Lol
“The Three Great Heavens are not that great because the Three Great Heavens can out play each other” literally you sound hopeless my guy lmfao.
Nah Chu’s big victories later on are being saved for Kou En and Shouheikun. Karin will not be involved, all of EOS Chu’s scary feats exclude her. There’s a reason she’s only the intermediate head of Chu until Shouheikun takes over, she won’t reach Ousen/Rinshoujou tier.
A single Riboku with différent generals is currently stalling Qin big time
A single Kouen can do it too
If Kouen is with the traitor and if there are Karin, Man U, and one or two hidden exceptional generals Qin will have tons of problems
not counting the dozen of generals who are quite strong
So yeah no need for Chu to have 2/3 Renpa level guys at all to be a massive pain in the ass.
and all Q6 won’t fight Chu at the same time
A single Kouen can do it too
If Kouen is with the traitor and if there are Karin, Man U, and one or two hidden exceptional generals Qin will have tons of problems
not counting the dozen of generals who are quite strong
So yeah no need for Chu to have 2/3 Renpa level guys at all to be a massive pain in the ass.
and all Q6 won’t fight Chu at the same time