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I think we really underestimated Qin’s lack of intel here. Especially for a guy like Ousen who is a heavily “observant” general. He analyzes his situations before he goes in blindly. We also saw this at Gyou, he refused to even enter Zhao without intel on Gyou itself.
So for a guy like Moubu, lacking intel isn’t the biggest deal because his strategies really don’t change. But for a guy like Ousen who has a huge array of tactics and strategies at his disposal, Intel is everything. Riboku basically completely blocked off Ousen’s ability to analyze and learn what he was up against by having Shibashou blitz him immediately and taking away Ousen’s lifelines.
With Yotanwa, Ouhon, and Shin, yeah I am disappointed we didn’t see anything from them, hence why I’m not convinced this battle is truly over yet. But even if it is, I am not that upset about it. At the end of the day what I want is for Kingdom to be entertaining, and the Godboku is a huge part of that so him scoring such a massive W against the protagonists is always welcome for me.
EDIT: Also I really enjoyed Gian, didn’t know people didn’t enjoy that one lol. Yeah Kanki had his cringe moments but I enjoyed the overall battle. And Kanki’s death was so peak imo. An 8.5/10 battle for me.
So for a guy like Moubu, lacking intel isn’t the biggest deal because his strategies really don’t change. But for a guy like Ousen who has a huge array of tactics and strategies at his disposal, Intel is everything. Riboku basically completely blocked off Ousen’s ability to analyze and learn what he was up against by having Shibashou blitz him immediately and taking away Ousen’s lifelines.
With Yotanwa, Ouhon, and Shin, yeah I am disappointed we didn’t see anything from them, hence why I’m not convinced this battle is truly over yet. But even if it is, I am not that upset about it. At the end of the day what I want is for Kingdom to be entertaining, and the Godboku is a huge part of that so him scoring such a massive W against the protagonists is always welcome for me.
EDIT: Also I really enjoyed Gian, didn’t know people didn’t enjoy that one lol. Yeah Kanki had his cringe moments but I enjoyed the overall battle. And Kanki’s death was so peak imo. An 8.5/10 battle for me.
This arc was disappointing
But it's not drop worthy
There isn't really any bad writing going on maybe other than Ousen being a bum
The strategies and moves on the Zhao part are great
I don't have a problem with the way Shin or Akou acted either or anyone for that matter other than Ousen
It still sucks we didn't get any YTW action or cool moments for Shin, Ouhon etc but it's not as bad as people are making it out to be.
But it's not drop worthy
There isn't really any bad writing going on maybe other than Ousen being a bum
The strategies and moves on the Zhao part are great
I don't have a problem with the way Shin or Akou acted either or anyone for that matter other than Ousen
It still sucks we didn't get any YTW action or cool moments for Shin, Ouhon etc but it's not as bad as people are making it out to be.
People keep crying about Houken or Shibashou being used by Riboku like other generals Don't use subordinates, or other people to gain victory
Didn't Ousen do nothing and just let the trio win Shukai for him?
Didn't Moubu use SHK strategy to reach Kanmei?
Or didn't the absolute bum who's everybody is gay for (Kanki) use Zenou to get out of shit multiple times?
If Zenou didn't exist, Riboku would have absolutely effortlessly low diffed Kanki and his entire army without giving them a chance to get out and he didn't use a Houken or Shibashou either but didn't see you guys crying then.
If you're tired of him just admit it, we get it but don't talk nonsense.
Didn't Ousen do nothing and just let the trio win Shukai for him?
Didn't Moubu use SHK strategy to reach Kanmei?
Or didn't the absolute bum who's everybody is gay for (Kanki) use Zenou to get out of shit multiple times?
If Zenou didn't exist, Riboku would have absolutely effortlessly low diffed Kanki and his entire army without giving them a chance to get out and he didn't use a Houken or Shibashou either but didn't see you guys crying then.
If you're tired of him just admit it, we get it but don't talk nonsense.
There's no doubts that's intel is major factor.
but I don't consider this as weakness instead it is a smart move the enemy.
the problem is not having previous knowledge.
for example look at gyo campaign
Qin and Ousen really did kept rbk blind and suprised him , to the point rbk was just dancing as qin play.
but look what he did in the battle at least he did everything he could even though he was outsmarted.
this what I am talking about .
In hango it was 2x speed , everything went fast and he did not give qin or ousen any opportunity to think .
I agree it's faster than any battle thanks to rbk but we are talking about one of 6gg not normal general.
put any 6gg in place of ousen maybe they will not win but at least they will react faster to rbk tricks .
this why people didn't like this arc because ousen and others did nothing
it's the problem of not understanding ousen character and demanding him to act as others.
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hmm I think there's is nothing left in arc.
and even if there's it will be on smaller scales while they are retreating
but I don't consider this as weakness instead it is a smart move the enemy.
the problem is not having previous knowledge.
for example look at gyo campaign
Qin and Ousen really did kept rbk blind and suprised him , to the point rbk was just dancing as qin play.
but look what he did in the battle at least he did everything he could even though he was outsmarted.
this what I am talking about .
In hango it was 2x speed , everything went fast and he did not give qin or ousen any opportunity to think .
I agree it's faster than any battle thanks to rbk but we are talking about one of 6gg not normal general.
put any 6gg in place of ousen maybe they will not win but at least they will react faster to rbk tricks .
this why people didn't like this arc because ousen and others did nothing
it's the problem of not understanding ousen character and demanding him to act as others.
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hmm I think there's is nothing left in arc.
and even if there's it will be on smaller scales while they are retreating
And the crazy thing is we also saw Dakan Plains decided in a single day. Gokei exterminated 90k Qin troops in an afternoon, and Duke Hyou took Gokei’s head in the same day. So there’s already precedent for battles being decided super quickly like this.
The speed element is definitely a huge factor in Zhao’s victory. Like I said, they gave Ousen zero opportunity to study and understand his enemy. By the time Ousen knew what he was up against, it was already too late.
The speed element is definitely a huge factor in Zhao’s victory. Like I said, they gave Ousen zero opportunity to study and understand his enemy. By the time Ousen knew what he was up against, it was already too late.
Nah Kou En’s victory during the first Chu campaign will solidify him as a true dog lol. In the second Campaign, we’ll see. Getting outsmarted by Ousen isn’t really a bad thing. And especially if Ousen has all of Qin’s 6 GGs under his command, Kou En losing to that is completely understandable.
Nah man lol. He will give Shin (and Mouten) the most brutal defeat of his career, also killing several of his lifelong close comrades. And that Shin who gets crushed is one of the best commanders in China, having putting hands on/defeated major states lol. The very fact that Sei tasks him with the mission that should have brought Chu the superstate down easily speaks on his caliber by then.
In the second Chu invasion, Ousen is going to prove himself superior to Kouen. But I don't know if that Ousen even loses to someone in Kingdom history by that point. And it will obviously be an enormous and complicated war with various top tiers, we talk about Ousen vs Kouen but Shin vs Kouen pt. 2 is definitely also bound to happen for example so there are a lot of things to consider. Even with Kouen losing and Chu falling, Hara can easily make him look absolutely monstrous.
In the second Chu invasion, Ousen is going to prove himself superior to Kouen. But I don't know if that Ousen even loses to someone in Kingdom history by that point. And it will obviously be an enormous and complicated war with various top tiers, we talk about Ousen vs Kouen but Shin vs Kouen pt. 2 is definitely also bound to happen for example so there are a lot of things to consider. Even with Kouen losing and Chu falling, Hara can easily make him look absolutely monstrous.
