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[Astolfo]

1. Rokuomi will never be fit to lick the boots of a Heavenly King so who cares
2. It is obvious that just from Yoko Yoko’s sheer size and the likelihood that he is the best warrior in Han that he is already above Rokuomi before even lifting a finger lol.

Why can Rokuomi NEVER reach that level?

For a statement as strong as this, a justification just as strong is required.

And I think there is an error in this second statement, if Yoko Yoko's superiority is only possible, why should we assume that he is superior to Rokuomi?

Yoko Yoko's Status is still within the realm of possibility, so we cannot attribute concrete superiority.

 

[SakazOuki]

Clowns can't simply admit that this Manga is finished lol.

Even @Owl Ki is more excited about Loki than this D tier manga

 

[God Buggy]

Lieutenant En 140K vs Duke 40K who wins

Depends if the Duke has Shin to save his butt

 

[MarineHQ]

Even @Owl Ki is more excited about Loki than this D tier manga

Lingdom defenders these days (Like that clown L'ee) are even worse than Goofy tards

 

[PerfectHie]

Literally none of the Han Generals will do much for Shin as opponents to elevate his name, all this arguing is pointless. They are generals with no feats as none of them has seen a real battle in over 10 years. Han is the weakest state for a reason and is only supposed to be a stepping stone for the stronger states.

HKK, Yoko Yoko, Rakua'Kan, they're all fodder.

 

[RayanOO]

Lingdom defenders these days (Like that clown L'ee) are even worse than Goofy tards

Seika masterclass broke you

 

[God Buggy]

Seika masterclass broke you

Sandoq the Shadow masterclass broke you

 

[Ousen]

لا يمكن للمهرجين ببساطة الاعتراف بأن هذه المانجا انتهت.[/QUOTE

لا يمكن للمهرجين ببساطة الاعتراف بأن هذه المانجا انتهت.

Akainu GOAT

 

[RayanOO]

Sandoq the Shadow masterclass broke you

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Why can Rokuomi NEVER reach that level?

For a statement as strong as this, a justification just as strong is required.

It’s not a particularly strong statement lol. Rokuomi was someone who pretty much reached his level before the series even began. He has no room to grow or exceed that level. You don’t expect En to reach Heavenly King level because it’s just obvious he’s never going to.

Rokuomi was said to be miles beneath the Heavenly King level by Mouten and horribly disrespected by SentoUn. He is the butt of many jokes by Hara, and while he is a capable general, the Heavenly King level is far, far beyond that.

At best, we will see Rokuomi grow in experience but not in overall level. Rokuomi is as good now as he’s ever going to get in terms of raw ability.

And I think there is an error in this second statement, if Yoko Yoko's superiority is only possible, why should we assume that he is superior to Rokuomi?

What? Lol

Yoko Yoko would horribly neg Rokuomi in a fight. I predicted Man’U would show superiority to Moubu when everyone disagreed, and I predicted Shibashou would smoke Ousen like a joint when everyone disagreed so you can trust me when I tell you that Yoko Yoko would pick his teeth with Rokuomi’s bones.

 

[Warine]

Peps finally realising this is just one piece but for people who hate one piece

 

[Rumble]

Military mind equal to the man deemed a bigger threat than Keisha by Kanki
A warrior equal to the man who dueled Shiryou to a standstill, the woman who one shot Jiaga
This man is 3GH level

I didn't say allat.

I don’t think anyone outside of Han knows or cares who Han’s second general is lol. Shin slayed Houken five years ago, in what way is Hakuokoku’s head supposed to redeem the Hi Shin Unit for two consecutive defeats.

Whether Haku'Ou is a big deal to the rest of China or not, he has the title and he's the next biggest fish in the pond.

The HSU need to beg back in win column, preferably through a statement such as the head of Han's Second General.

Rakuakan and Chou pretty much had the exact same analysis of this situation. Lol

I didn't like how Raku'A Kan carried himself in that moment. I was very unimpressed.

Nah it’s Yoko Yoko or bust for Shin. It feels like Hara doesn’t even care that much about Hakuokoku. He immediately revealed this guy with no flare or narrative hype, immediately capped his level at below Rakuakan, and immediately stated what kind of general Hakuokoku was without leaving his abilities up to mystery like he does with other commanders. Yoko Yoko is the only opponent for Shin who can prove interesting due to his martial and strategic abilities still being up in the air.

Yoko Yoko is a nobody. He doesn't do anything for Shin, he's just an enforcer.

We knew Raku'A Kan was Han's top general so anyone else was going to be automatically capped. Haku'Ou is at still a general with a large army his command. He's worthy prey. Yoko Yoko is a distraction.

From the mind that scaled Rokuomi’s victim above Heavenly King level.

Who are you referring to?

 

[Owl Ki]

Even @Owl Ki is more excited about Loki than this D tier manga

I have admittedly been noticeably talking more about Oda's most recent hype man than I have Kingdom.

I have fallen.

 

[Pirao]

I find it strange that neither Raku nor Moubu-lite have any subs. Tou and Shin's officers don't have anyone to face.

 

[Cichy]

I find it strange that neither Raku nor Moubu-lite have any subs. Tou and Shin's officers don't have anyone to face.

They do have subs... they are just not shown on the battlefield map for whatever reason.

 

[Pirao]

They do have subs... they are just not shown on the battlefield map for whatever reason.

Have we seen anyone so far? I don't remember.

 

[Astolfo]

It’s not a particularly strong statement lol. Rokuomi was someone who pretty much reached his level before the series even began. He has no room to grow or exceed that level. You don’t expect En to reach Heavenly King level because it’s just obvious he’s never going to.

Rokuomi was said to be miles beneath the Heavenly King level by Mouten and horribly disrespected by SentoUn. He is the butt of many jokes by Hara, and while he is a capable general, the Heavenly King level is far, far beyond that.

At best, we will see Rokuomi grow in experience but not in overall level. Rokuomi is as good now as he’s ever going to get in terms of raw ability.



What? Lol

Yoko Yoko would horribly neg Rokuomi in a fight. I predicted Man’U would show superiority to Moubu when everyone disagreed, and I predicted Shibashou would smoke Ousen like a joint when everyone disagreed so you can trust me when I tell you that Yoko Yoko would pick his teeth with Rokuomi’s bones.

I disagree, experience is part of the totality of a General's attributes, an increase in experience would inevitably result in a level increase.
For levels not to be subject to modification, the experience would need to be something external to the qualities of a General, which it is not.

Still, it is not the only thing that Rokuomi can gain, the study and application of new strategies is one of the solutions for its evolution.

We have to take into account that Rokuomi has the benefit of being one of the best pieces of Qin at this final stage, so unlike Han's Generals, Rokuomi is part of the central core of History and is one of the key pieces of that core. Being one of the few remnants of Ouki (one of the most important figures in the work) and perhaps the most important of these remnants, if we disregard Tou.

Rokuomi already has enough weight to start receiving great benefits from the script, a weight that names like En do not have.

Let's not forget that Kingdom is a poetic instance and that the need to carry out the events overrides any and all whims of Powerscale, which is one of the last things thought of by an author when telling his story, therefore in a final stage, it is totally coherent that Rokuomi and other generals benefit from being inserted into a narrative core that NEEDS a significant increase in strength.

Regarding your second point, we cannot claim a Universal truth from the simple generalization of particular events.

What I mean is that the fact that you got 5 or 10 events right is not enough to guarantee a hit.

To do this you would need to demonstrate a causal link between the premises that underlie your thinking and the conclusion obtained from the relationship between these premises.

 

[Cichy]

Have we seen anyone so far? I don't remember.

Yeah, Raku'akan has Yoko Yoko and Haku'ou Koku has two generals.

 

[Pirao]

Yeah, Raku'akan has Yoko Yoko and Haku'ou Koku has two generals.

Those two look like fodder, no wonder I couldn't remember

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Yoko Yoko is a nobody. He doesn't do anything for Shin, he's just an enforcer.

He is the right hand man of the number one general in Han, highly probably EDIT: definitely a general himself, and seemingly inarguably the strongest warrior in Han.

Shin slaying the best warrior in Han >>> Shin being gifted Tou’s sloppy seconds in the form of Enkan 2.0.

We knew Raku'A Kan was Han's top general so anyone else was going to be automatically capped.

Hara capped Yoko Yoko as a general, but never as a warrior. This 7 foot tall hulk can really be as strong or as weak as Hara wants him to be, and that makes for a far more interesting and entertaining opponent than Hakuokoku who already does not seem very interesting as a Shin antagonist.

I disagree, experience is part of the totality of a General's attributes, an increase in experience would inevitably result in a level increase.

Experience is great but there is no amount of experience that will make En Heavenly King level. There is no amount of experience that will make a character who has very probably already reached the peak of his abilities as a general like Rokuomi transcend the level he’s currently at (strong general) and ascend him to the level of the Heavenly Kings (great general caliber).

Still, it is not the only thing that Rokuomi can gain, the study and application of new strategies is one of the solutions for its evolution.

You can just assume that Rokuomi can learn new strategies, but Hara has always put limits on the amount and complexity of information that characters know.

Take Akou for example. He spent decades with Ousen. Yet, Akou was only capable of utilizing some of Ousen’s tactics. Why couldn’t Akou learn all of Ousen’s tactics? Well, because Hara said he can’t. Hara placed a limit on Akou’s IQ to prevent him from learning literally all of Ousen’s tactics.

So you can assume Rokuomi can learn new strategies but what benefit does that provide him? Is the simple-minded Rokuomi, who Hara turned into a gag for his hard-headed, more simple-minded nature, going to learn strategies that cause him to completely transcend his level as a strong general? The answer is no.

To do this you would need to demonstrate a causal link between the premises that underlie your thinking and the conclusion obtained from the relationship between these premises.

My causal link is that I have consistently proven the entirety of the Kingdom fandom wrong with my correct takes lol. I have methodology but I don’t feel like getting into that right now lol.