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No they won't. The reason why there is so much shooting its because its EASY to do with such gun easy access. Reducing gun's access will automatically rises the difficulty for such act and also automatically reduce them. People simply won't do complicated.
But don't listen to me. Listen to science
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-science-is-clear-gun-control-saves-lives1/
The reasonning that someone who wants to kill will find other tool is a fallacious one in that case. Simply because killing is not the goal.
My mistake was to think there were people in this thread who actually cared about doing something against those shootings. I was wrong, all I see is people defending gun's easy access... for absolutely no logical other reasons than.... defending gun's easy access.
Once again, people like you here don't care about facts, science or logic, they just want to keep the status co running.
But don't listen to me. Listen to science
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-science-is-clear-gun-control-saves-lives1/
The reasonning that someone who wants to kill will find other tool is a fallacious one in that case. Simply because killing is not the goal.
My mistake was to think there were people in this thread who actually cared about doing something against those shootings. I was wrong, all I see is people defending gun's easy access... for absolutely no logical other reasons than.... defending gun's easy access.
Once again, people like you here don't care about facts, science or logic, they just want to keep the status co running.
Knife crime in Britain. Using cars for terrorist attacks like in Nice.......
Huh? Then what is the goal of a terrorist who shoots at people?!
Nobody said there should be no gun control. You're moving the goal posts. The conversation was about banning them altogether
Huh? Then what is the goal of a terrorist who shoots at people?!
Nobody said there should be no gun control. You're moving the goal posts. The conversation was about banning them altogether
He thinks that criminals respect the law.
You are talking about terrorist attack here when I'm talking about school shootings done by younglings.
Terrorist are based on ideology, not getting a gun indeed won't stop them (but will still reduce the cases of violences). But that's not the case for young people who just wants to be known as a school shooter.
Actually even in terrorism, killing is not the goal. What is important for them is what they gain from those murder.
In both cases there is a gain:
- Celebrity for a school shooter
- Internet political distruption, vengeance or fear for terrorist
And in both cases there are ways to deals with those issues as long as we allow our society to understand the core roots of those behaviors:
- To reduce school shooting we must stop the profil coverage of the killers, we must reduce their access to weapons and we must reduce the probabilities of such behaviors to flourish in the first place by creating better mental healthcare system and detection center.
- To reduce terrorist attack we must... stop giving reasons for people to be angry in the first place. This means less wars, less genocides, less dehumanization, less marginalization and we must also do more to prevent cases of radicalization, which means depopulize prison, give less room for far right ideas to flourish (Radical islamism/white supremacism), etc. etc.
Hey Einstein, given the choice, do you think a suicidal person who wants to commit a crime would prefer to take a gun in easy access or try to obtain it through the black market ??
Terrorist are based on ideology, not getting a gun indeed won't stop them (but will still reduce the cases of violences). But that's not the case for young people who just wants to be known as a school shooter.
Huh? Then what is the goal of a terrorist who shoots at people?!
In both cases there is a gain:
- Celebrity for a school shooter
- Internet political distruption, vengeance or fear for terrorist
And in both cases there are ways to deals with those issues as long as we allow our society to understand the core roots of those behaviors:
- To reduce school shooting we must stop the profil coverage of the killers, we must reduce their access to weapons and we must reduce the probabilities of such behaviors to flourish in the first place by creating better mental healthcare system and detection center.
- To reduce terrorist attack we must... stop giving reasons for people to be angry in the first place. This means less wars, less genocides, less dehumanization, less marginalization and we must also do more to prevent cases of radicalization, which means depopulize prison, give less room for far right ideas to flourish (Radical islamism/white supremacism), etc. etc.
Hey Einstein, given the choice, do you think a suicidal person who wants to commit a crime would prefer to take a gun in easy access or try to obtain it through the black market ??
First : Yes, you are in fact. What you are doing here is use the same rethoric as gun lobbyist, "criminal will find a way either way, so let's not do anything", which is a defense of gun 's easy access.
Second: This rethoric as demonstrated previously is completely fallacious.
No, a person that wants to commit a crime will not just "find a weapon" if those are regulated. Finding a weapon when those are forbidden is not something that can be done easily. Meaning that by regulating gun's access we are actually creating a first barrier between people who want to commit crimes and the possibility of doing those crimes.
Like I said, scientific research explain clearly that gun regulation equates to less victims:
https://www.sciencealert.com/scientific-evidence-that-stricter-gun-control-works-saves-lives
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-science-is-clear-gun-control-saves-lives1/
But I'm not dreaming, I know that people on this thread don't really care about what the researcher are actually saying.
You guys are agents of the status co.
"Don't change things, things could change and we don't want that"
In two pages, not ONE person came to say "I want less victim, let's reduce gun's access".. No, each one of you came with one argument "PeOpLe ArE tHe PrObLeM, so let's not do the one obvious thing that could reduce the number of victims"
Which is, again, a liberal and apolitical way of seeing the world. This is an individualistic vision of society where people should be responsibilized for their actions and the system/institution shouldn't be blamed for anything.
"The Islamic radicalization is rising in Europe ? That's because because people must be listening to religion fanatic to much... this has absolutely NOTHING to do with the fact that we are letting far right and islamophobic discourse enter the public debate and that we are supporting countries who are doing genocide on Muslim populations....."
"An increase of far right terrorist attack ? This is because people are too dumb to listen to reason and not at all because institutions and media are pushing far right narratives to the limits or because a far right celebrity is able to arrive to the office or because a social media CEO is able to propagate conspiracy and anti woke theories or because news medias are working with the far right to target "woke propaganda"
"An increase of school shootings ? This is because of video games and because parents don't raise correctly their kids and ABSOLUTELY NOT because the health system is completely broken or because we make a star out of school shooters or because its as F*cking easy to buy a gun that to buy a video Game !!"
In this liberal and apolitical world... people are responsible, its the vision of the human above all systems... its therefore our responsibility not to become criminals and the system holds NO responsibility whatsoever !
If people rob, then it must be because they are bad apples and not because they are poor and abandonned by society
If people rape, then is must be because they are pigs and not because they are people in power in a society that enables their behaviors
If people do mass shootings, then is must be because they are monsters and not at all because society is completely paralyzed in the understanding of mental illness and destructive behaviors and gun regulations..
So yeah... Let's keep the status co.. Let's legitimize the fact of doing nothing by explaining that people are the problem.
Second: This rethoric as demonstrated previously is completely fallacious.
No, a person that wants to commit a crime will not just "find a weapon" if those are regulated. Finding a weapon when those are forbidden is not something that can be done easily. Meaning that by regulating gun's access we are actually creating a first barrier between people who want to commit crimes and the possibility of doing those crimes.
Like I said, scientific research explain clearly that gun regulation equates to less victims:
https://www.sciencealert.com/scientific-evidence-that-stricter-gun-control-works-saves-lives
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-science-is-clear-gun-control-saves-lives1/
But I'm not dreaming, I know that people on this thread don't really care about what the researcher are actually saying.
You guys are agents of the status co.
"Don't change things, things could change and we don't want that"
In two pages, not ONE person came to say "I want less victim, let's reduce gun's access".. No, each one of you came with one argument "PeOpLe ArE tHe PrObLeM, so let's not do the one obvious thing that could reduce the number of victims"
Which is, again, a liberal and apolitical way of seeing the world. This is an individualistic vision of society where people should be responsibilized for their actions and the system/institution shouldn't be blamed for anything.
"The Islamic radicalization is rising in Europe ? That's because because people must be listening to religion fanatic to much... this has absolutely NOTHING to do with the fact that we are letting far right and islamophobic discourse enter the public debate and that we are supporting countries who are doing genocide on Muslim populations....."
"An increase of far right terrorist attack ? This is because people are too dumb to listen to reason and not at all because institutions and media are pushing far right narratives to the limits or because a far right celebrity is able to arrive to the office or because a social media CEO is able to propagate conspiracy and anti woke theories or because news medias are working with the far right to target "woke propaganda"
"An increase of school shootings ? This is because of video games and because parents don't raise correctly their kids and ABSOLUTELY NOT because the health system is completely broken or because we make a star out of school shooters or because its as F*cking easy to buy a gun that to buy a video Game !!"
In this liberal and apolitical world... people are responsible, its the vision of the human above all systems... its therefore our responsibility not to become criminals and the system holds NO responsibility whatsoever !
If people rob, then it must be because they are bad apples and not because they are poor and abandonned by society
If people rape, then is must be because they are pigs and not because they are people in power in a society that enables their behaviors
If people do mass shootings, then is must be because they are monsters and not at all because society is completely paralyzed in the understanding of mental illness and destructive behaviors and gun regulations..
So yeah... Let's keep the status co.. Let's legitimize the fact of doing nothing by explaining that people are the problem.
Black Market buyers are laughing their asses off. Come on now 
https://www.euractiv.com/section/he...xpanding-rapidly-in-europe-especially-france/
https://www.statista.com/outlook/hmo/cannabis/france
Yeah but you are not a criminal
Criminals would think twice about breaking the law and buy an illegal gun!
Criminals would think twice about breaking the law and buy an illegal gun!
Hell arms dealer I know gifted a tommy machine gun to police HQ so they can display it
Fallacious comparison again. You are talking about substances that have very clear use for pleasure or for health VS a weapon has none unless you want to use it against someone.
I'm talking about people who have 0 knowledge about the subject. Of course that in your case it's completely different mate. But let's not think that it is a knowledge that is accessible to everyone. (and gladly so)
I'm talking about people who have 0 knowledge about the subject. Of course that in your case it's completely different mate. But let's not think that it is a knowledge that is accessible to everyone. (and gladly so)