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Wrong + desinformation
First because there is no such thing as "gender theory".
"Gender theory" is a far right term meant to delegitimize the studies of gender in sociology or "gender studies". Which are a scientific FIELD OF STUDY, studying multiple things about gender.
Second because its Matt Walsh - a crypto fascist Btw - that attributed the invention of "gender identities" to John Money who actually just spoke about "gender roles".
https://link.springer.com/epdf/10.1...cD6WWNJ1c04o5Y-ZkflIHTBDRyY-bi2Mi1skk0STyAcE=
When we are taling about gender, we are not talking about gender role. So talking about gender role is irrelevant.
No. When you are saying that there are only two gender "based on dictionnary definition" then its not an assertion based on science, its an assertion based on the current usage and the influence of heteronormativity.
Saying that there are two gender and that there exist "gender roles" are two different things.
Gender =/= Gender roles Those concepts are not interchangeable.
So when you said "there are only two gender", you spoke about "gender identities" and not "gender roles". Therefore you denied people's existence.
If you want to talk about gender roles, you say "gender roles" and not "gender". Am I clear enough here for you ?
Nop. Saying that there are two genders is invalid.
Those are not the same things. Therefore you can't put them under only one term. This is one of the reasons why dictionnaries are sometimes problematic and why they are not efficiant enough to describe the world.
Nop, i'm just not putting it in the same category, which is what sociology did : Separating gender role and gender identities.
One the problem of patriarchy is precisely the fact that we don't separate- in usage - gender roles and gender identities.
Maybe you are missing the fact that animals are also depicting social behaviors ..
Its not that easy. There are a LOT of variations on this subject and a LOT of reason why there are variation in the first place.
"Many social behaviors of animals are adaptive, meaning that being social ultimately increases an animal’s fitness" - Nature.
This means that gender role are not as easy as a genetic blueprint. In reality, they are also defined by the context and the environment given to those species (like ours for example, gender roles were not as prevalent during our hunting gathering stage, but became more pronounce because of the sedenterization and the rise of agriculture)
First, not really. There are and were other form of societies in the word (beginning with some hunter gatherer societies) but there are also example of matriarcal societies too.
Patriarchy is just an hegemony, its not universal.
The reason why it rose so easily but be found in the rise of agriculture and the inequal distributions of power and ressources among populations and among genders.
Those things are not due to "wokism", saying it is is simple desinformation and the ignorance of the real causes for the rise of those subjects.
Nobody is forcing wokism on you sir.
Me showing your ignorant and toxicity =/= forcing my ideology on you
You can be queerphobe and still understand that those things have nothing to do with the rise of the leftist ideology. Just as you can think that you support nonbinary people and still be queerphobe by defending definition that denies their existences.
Humans are full of paradoxes. You are no different.
Not "as in"
Gender is NOT gender roles.
An identity* but yes.
First because there is no such thing as "gender theory".
"Gender theory" is a far right term meant to delegitimize the studies of gender in sociology or "gender studies". Which are a scientific FIELD OF STUDY, studying multiple things about gender.
Second because its Matt Walsh - a crypto fascist Btw - that attributed the invention of "gender identities" to John Money who actually just spoke about "gender roles".
https://link.springer.com/epdf/10.1...cD6WWNJ1c04o5Y-ZkflIHTBDRyY-bi2Mi1skk0STyAcE=
When we are taling about gender, we are not talking about gender role. So talking about gender role is irrelevant.
No. When you are saying that there are only two gender "based on dictionnary definition" then its not an assertion based on science, its an assertion based on the current usage and the influence of heteronormativity.
Saying that there are two gender and that there exist "gender roles" are two different things.
Gender =/= Gender roles Those concepts are not interchangeable.
So when you said "there are only two gender", you spoke about "gender identities" and not "gender roles". Therefore you denied people's existence.
If you want to talk about gender roles, you say "gender roles" and not "gender". Am I clear enough here for you ?
Nop. Saying that there are two genders is invalid.
Those are not the same things. Therefore you can't put them under only one term. This is one of the reasons why dictionnaries are sometimes problematic and why they are not efficiant enough to describe the world.
Nop, i'm just not putting it in the same category, which is what sociology did : Separating gender role and gender identities.
One the problem of patriarchy is precisely the fact that we don't separate- in usage - gender roles and gender identities.
Maybe you are missing the fact that animals are also depicting social behaviors ..
Its not that easy. There are a LOT of variations on this subject and a LOT of reason why there are variation in the first place.
"Many social behaviors of animals are adaptive, meaning that being social ultimately increases an animal’s fitness" - Nature.
This means that gender role are not as easy as a genetic blueprint. In reality, they are also defined by the context and the environment given to those species (like ours for example, gender roles were not as prevalent during our hunting gathering stage, but became more pronounce because of the sedenterization and the rise of agriculture)
First, not really. There are and were other form of societies in the word (beginning with some hunter gatherer societies) but there are also example of matriarcal societies too.
Patriarchy is just an hegemony, its not universal.
The reason why it rose so easily but be found in the rise of agriculture and the inequal distributions of power and ressources among populations and among genders.
Those things are not due to "wokism", saying it is is simple desinformation and the ignorance of the real causes for the rise of those subjects.
Nobody is forcing wokism on you sir.
Me showing your ignorant and toxicity =/= forcing my ideology on you
You can be queerphobe and still understand that those things have nothing to do with the rise of the leftist ideology. Just as you can think that you support nonbinary people and still be queerphobe by defending definition that denies their existences.
Humans are full of paradoxes. You are no different.
Not "as in"
Gender is NOT gender roles.
An identity* but yes.
What is my transphobic tirade, I am sorry?
I fear I am not explaining myself properly.
Affirming that gender theory is mumbo jumbo akin to astrology is not a transphobic tirade.
Gender disphoria is another issue that should be recognised and helped, just like any other mental "problem", because I would say it's not healthy to feel not represented by the body you have.
But this doesn't mean agreeing that genders are a social constructs and there is no intrinsic genetic differences between Males and Females, that make us behave differently.
I fear I am not explaining myself properly.
Affirming that gender theory is mumbo jumbo akin to astrology is not a transphobic tirade.
Gender disphoria is another issue that should be recognised and helped, just like any other mental "problem", because I would say it's not healthy to feel not represented by the body you have.
But this doesn't mean agreeing that genders are a social constructs and there is no intrinsic genetic differences between Males and Females, that make us behave differently.
They aren't backfiring. That is the exact result the social engineers want. Don't forget this people want to reduce the global population and monopolize power. Messed up Man X Woman relations = no marriage = no families = a fragmented society. Back in the Roman empire,slaves reproduced in big orgies.
Bill Gates flat out admitted that he wants the population to drop by atleast 40%.
But yeah. It's mostly to keep the people divided into a simplistic left vs right issues, away from the real problems. Classic divide and conquer strategy. Corporations are only slowing down because it began negatively impacting their profit margins but the damage has been done.
But yeah. It's mostly to keep the people divided into a simplistic left vs right issues, away from the real problems. Classic divide and conquer strategy. Corporations are only slowing down because it began negatively impacting their profit margins but the damage has been done.
"gender theory" doesn't exist. "Gender STUDIES" exist.
Gender studies are a field of research of sociology. A SCIENTIFIC DISCIPLINE
There ARE genetic difference between Male and Female sex, but this is SEX. Not GENDER.
Gender is a SOCIAL CONSTRUCTION.
ITS
NOT
SEX!
Avec vous, j'ai l'impression de parler avec adorateur de la théorie de la terre plate. Ce même déni de la science...
Oui, toi qui vient d'essayer de traduire ce commentaire et surtout toi qui vient m'expliquer qu'il n'y a que les hommes et les femmes:
Au lieu de passer ton temps sur google à essayer de trouver des articles scientifiques sur des sites d'extrème droite ou conservateurs expliquant que celui qui te rabache que le genre est une construction, n'est en fait qu'un woke qui ne comprend rien à la biologie.. Toi, oui toi ! Va voir ton centre scientifique le plus proche (et pas simplement l'oncle qui a fait un jour une thèse sur les grenouilles du Sahara) là ou il y a plein de scientifique et de chercheurs, allez.. une grande université disons... Et va leur demander comment lire et chercher des articles scientifiques sur google. Ensuite, tu vas me faire le plaisir d'aller toi même sur google et d'aller rechercher des articles scientifiques section sociologie. Tu devrais trouver des milliers d'articles.. Ensuite, parce que tu es quelqu'un de très futé, tu vas aller noter les petits noms de tous les chercheurs en sociologies les plus cité. Une fois que ce sera fait.. et bien tu auras une liste, tu prends celui qui est le plus accessible, tu trouves son adresse mail et tu lui envoies un petit mail. Le titre va etre simple, "question à propos de votre discipline". Dans ce mail, tu vas leur demander gentillement si son travail est scientifique. Tu n'oublieras pas les politesse et tu cliqueras sur "envoyer". Voilà. Normalement si tu n'es pas idiot et que tu as vraiment envie d'apprendre, tu devrais avoir fait tout ça sans trop de problème. Alors maintenant soit sage et lorsque tu pourras, indique nous ici la reponse de ce scientifique.
That's a loads of complotist BS, but tell me.... EVEN IF that were true.. Can you tell me how reducing the global population would be a bad thing ?
The big overlord, the flag of a thousand colors. The worst ennemy of the Dalek:
"Compassionnate, Compassionate COMPASIONNATEEEEE"
In a few hundreds years, you guys will be seen in the same light as the Gallics who were afraid that the sky would fall on their heads... I would laugh at you with our hypothetical descendants if your rethoric wasn't so dangerous..
And the worst thing, is that its US, those who fight the status co on the question of heteronormativity, Patriarchy, ethnic inequalities and racism, capitalism, liberalism, poverty... that YOU are calling "boot Lickers".
You are literally sucking the power's idea DRY and spitting back ALL the lies of the rich and conservative to the face of the lower classes.. You are putting your faces right in front of the lips of far right fascist and conspirationnist. You are grabbing and strangeling little by little all the media to transform them into apolitical liberal and sometimes conservatives spaces. And you are calling the one group that is trying to stop all of you from abusing the entire society "boot lickers" ?
Oh boi.. do I have some surprises for you...
Sure
"Let's abolish the simplistic left or right issues and let's remplace it by an even much more smartest overnuanced society ! A society where political rethoric is not a question of power, a society where one can be a fascist but still be pro LGBTQ+, a society of extreme reformism, that have but one goal, to change nothing and everything at the SAME TIME !
Let's build the society of tomorrow by explaining that the minorities who fight for gender equalities are just the woke along the way. Who needs them anyway ? Let's be apolitical, no.. Better, let's all be liberal !!!
Let's believe in freedom for all!! Freedom of speech ("and the freedom to say my hate of black people if I want to"), freedom of market ! Freedom; freedom !!
Let's make everyone equal, beginning with the kids who start with the cultural and social capital of ten country leaders ! Everyone is equal in this society and there are NO COLORS ! How can one be stigmatized by the institutions if everyone knows that racism doesn't exist anymore ? And structures of dominations ?? There are gooooooone ! POOOF. Because we said so and because we are all individually making ourself better !! Yes ! Let's promote critical thinking so everyone can see just how smart we are now !
Let's all create our own path !
Begone depression, you don't exist anymore !
Begone poverty, by my will, I banish you !
Begone sexism, we cast you out from the system !"
Begone world.. I made an oopsie
Gender studies are a field of research of sociology. A SCIENTIFIC DISCIPLINE
There ARE genetic difference between Male and Female sex, but this is SEX. Not GENDER.
Gender is a SOCIAL CONSTRUCTION.
ITS
NOT
SEX!
Avec vous, j'ai l'impression de parler avec adorateur de la théorie de la terre plate. Ce même déni de la science...
Oui, toi qui vient d'essayer de traduire ce commentaire et surtout toi qui vient m'expliquer qu'il n'y a que les hommes et les femmes:
Au lieu de passer ton temps sur google à essayer de trouver des articles scientifiques sur des sites d'extrème droite ou conservateurs expliquant que celui qui te rabache que le genre est une construction, n'est en fait qu'un woke qui ne comprend rien à la biologie.. Toi, oui toi ! Va voir ton centre scientifique le plus proche (et pas simplement l'oncle qui a fait un jour une thèse sur les grenouilles du Sahara) là ou il y a plein de scientifique et de chercheurs, allez.. une grande université disons... Et va leur demander comment lire et chercher des articles scientifiques sur google. Ensuite, tu vas me faire le plaisir d'aller toi même sur google et d'aller rechercher des articles scientifiques section sociologie. Tu devrais trouver des milliers d'articles.. Ensuite, parce que tu es quelqu'un de très futé, tu vas aller noter les petits noms de tous les chercheurs en sociologies les plus cité. Une fois que ce sera fait.. et bien tu auras une liste, tu prends celui qui est le plus accessible, tu trouves son adresse mail et tu lui envoies un petit mail. Le titre va etre simple, "question à propos de votre discipline". Dans ce mail, tu vas leur demander gentillement si son travail est scientifique. Tu n'oublieras pas les politesse et tu cliqueras sur "envoyer". Voilà. Normalement si tu n'es pas idiot et que tu as vraiment envie d'apprendre, tu devrais avoir fait tout ça sans trop de problème. Alors maintenant soit sage et lorsque tu pourras, indique nous ici la reponse de ce scientifique.
That's a loads of complotist BS, but tell me.... EVEN IF that were true.. Can you tell me how reducing the global population would be a bad thing ?
The big overlord, the flag of a thousand colors. The worst ennemy of the Dalek:
"Compassionnate, Compassionate COMPASIONNATEEEEE"
In a few hundreds years, you guys will be seen in the same light as the Gallics who were afraid that the sky would fall on their heads... I would laugh at you with our hypothetical descendants if your rethoric wasn't so dangerous..
And the worst thing, is that its US, those who fight the status co on the question of heteronormativity, Patriarchy, ethnic inequalities and racism, capitalism, liberalism, poverty... that YOU are calling "boot Lickers".
You are literally sucking the power's idea DRY and spitting back ALL the lies of the rich and conservative to the face of the lower classes.. You are putting your faces right in front of the lips of far right fascist and conspirationnist. You are grabbing and strangeling little by little all the media to transform them into apolitical liberal and sometimes conservatives spaces. And you are calling the one group that is trying to stop all of you from abusing the entire society "boot lickers" ?
Oh boi.. do I have some surprises for you...
Sure
"Let's abolish the simplistic left or right issues and let's remplace it by an even much more smartest overnuanced society ! A society where political rethoric is not a question of power, a society where one can be a fascist but still be pro LGBTQ+, a society of extreme reformism, that have but one goal, to change nothing and everything at the SAME TIME !
Let's build the society of tomorrow by explaining that the minorities who fight for gender equalities are just the woke along the way. Who needs them anyway ? Let's be apolitical, no.. Better, let's all be liberal !!!
Let's believe in freedom for all!! Freedom of speech ("and the freedom to say my hate of black people if I want to"), freedom of market ! Freedom; freedom !!
Let's make everyone equal, beginning with the kids who start with the cultural and social capital of ten country leaders ! Everyone is equal in this society and there are NO COLORS ! How can one be stigmatized by the institutions if everyone knows that racism doesn't exist anymore ? And structures of dominations ?? There are gooooooone ! POOOF. Because we said so and because we are all individually making ourself better !! Yes ! Let's promote critical thinking so everyone can see just how smart we are now !
Let's all create our own path !
Begone depression, you don't exist anymore !
Begone poverty, by my will, I banish you !
Begone sexism, we cast you out from the system !"
Begone world.. I made an oopsie
"gender theory" doesn't exist. "Gender STUDIES" exist.
Gender studies are a field of research of sociology. A SCIENTIFIC DISCIPLINE
There ARE genetic difference between Male and Female sex, but this is SEX. Not GENDER.
Gender is a SOCIAL CONSTRUCTION.
ITS
NOT
SEX!
Avec vous, j'ai l'impression de parler avec adorateur de la théorie de la terre plate. Ce même déni de la science...
Oui, toi qui vient d'essayer de traduire ce commentaire et surtout toi qui vient m'expliquer qu'il n'y a que les hommes et les femmes:
Au lieu de passer ton temps sur google à essayer de trouver des articles scientifiques sur des sites d'extrème droite ou conservateurs expliquant que celui qui te rabache que le genre est une construction, n'est en fait qu'un woke qui ne comprend rien à la biologie.. Toi, oui toi ! Va voir ton centre scientifique le plus proche (et pas simplement l'oncle qui a fait un jour une thèse sur les grenouilles du Sahara) là ou il y a plein de scientifique et de chercheurs, allez.. une grande université disons... Et va leur demander comment lire et chercher des articles scientifiques sur google. Ensuite, tu vas me faire le plaisir d'aller toi même sur google et d'aller rechercher des articles scientifiques section sociologie. Tu devrais trouver des milliers d'articles.. Ensuite, parce que tu es quelqu'un de très futé, tu vas aller noter les petits noms de tous les chercheurs en sociologies les plus cité. Une fois que ce sera fait.. et bien tu auras une liste, tu prends celui qui est le plus accessible, tu trouves son adresse mail et tu lui envoies un petit mail. Le titre va etre simple, "question à propos de votre discipline". Dans ce mail, tu vas leur demander gentillement si son travail est scientifique. Tu n'oublieras pas les politesse et tu cliqueras sur "envoyer". Voilà. Normalement si tu n'es pas idiot et que tu as vraiment envie d'apprendre, tu devrais avoir fait tout ça sans trop de problème. Alors maintenant soit sage et lorsque tu pourras, indique nous ici la reponse de ce scientifique.
That's a loads of complotist BS, but tell me.... EVEN IF that were true.. Can you tell me how reducing the global population would be a bad thing ?
The big overlord, the flag of a thousand colors. The worst ennemy of the Dalek:
"Compassionnate, Compassionate COMPASIONNATEEEEE"
In a few hundreds years, you guys will be seen in the same light as the Gallics who were afraid that the sky would fall on their heads... I would laugh at you with our hypothetical descendants if your rethoric wasn't so dangerous..
And the worst thing, is that its US, those who fight the status co on the question of heteronormativity, Patriarchy, ethnic inequalities and racism, capitalism, liberalism, poverty... that YOU are calling "boot Lickers".
You are literally sucking the power's idea DRY and spitting back ALL the lies of the rich and conservative to the face of the lower classes.. You are putting your faces right in front of the lips of far right fascist and conspirationnist. You are grabbing and strangeling little by little all the media to transform them into apolitical liberal and sometimes conservatives spaces. And you are calling the one group that is trying to stop all of you from abusing the entire society "boot lickers" ?
Oh boi.. do I have some surprises for you...
Sure
"Let's abolish the simplistic left or right issues and let's remplace it by an even much more smartest overnuanced society ! A society where political rethoric is not a question of power, a society where one can be a fascist but still be pro LGBTQ+, a society of extreme reformism, that have but one goal, to change nothing and everything at the SAME TIME !
Let's build the society of tomorrow by explaining that the minorities who fight for gender equalities are just the woke along the way. Who needs them anyway ? Let's be apolitical, no.. Better, let's all be liberal !!!
Let's believe in freedom for all!! Freedom of speech ("and the freedom to say my hate of black people if I want to"), freedom of market ! Freedom; freedom !!
Let's make everyone equal, beginning with the kids who start with the cultural and social capital of ten country leaders ! Everyone is equal in this society and there are NO COLORS ! How can one be stigmatized by the institutions if everyone knows that racism doesn't exist anymore ? And structures of dominations ?? There are gooooooone ! POOOF. Because we said so and because we are all individually making ourself better !! Yes ! Let's promote critical thinking so everyone can see just how smart we are now !
Let's all create our own path !
Begone depression, you don't exist anymore !
Begone poverty, by my will, I banish you !
Begone sexism, we cast you out from the system !"
Begone world.. I made an oopsie
Gender studies are a field of research of sociology. A SCIENTIFIC DISCIPLINE
There ARE genetic difference between Male and Female sex, but this is SEX. Not GENDER.
Gender is a SOCIAL CONSTRUCTION.
ITS
NOT
SEX!
Avec vous, j'ai l'impression de parler avec adorateur de la théorie de la terre plate. Ce même déni de la science...
Oui, toi qui vient d'essayer de traduire ce commentaire et surtout toi qui vient m'expliquer qu'il n'y a que les hommes et les femmes:
Au lieu de passer ton temps sur google à essayer de trouver des articles scientifiques sur des sites d'extrème droite ou conservateurs expliquant que celui qui te rabache que le genre est une construction, n'est en fait qu'un woke qui ne comprend rien à la biologie.. Toi, oui toi ! Va voir ton centre scientifique le plus proche (et pas simplement l'oncle qui a fait un jour une thèse sur les grenouilles du Sahara) là ou il y a plein de scientifique et de chercheurs, allez.. une grande université disons... Et va leur demander comment lire et chercher des articles scientifiques sur google. Ensuite, tu vas me faire le plaisir d'aller toi même sur google et d'aller rechercher des articles scientifiques section sociologie. Tu devrais trouver des milliers d'articles.. Ensuite, parce que tu es quelqu'un de très futé, tu vas aller noter les petits noms de tous les chercheurs en sociologies les plus cité. Une fois que ce sera fait.. et bien tu auras une liste, tu prends celui qui est le plus accessible, tu trouves son adresse mail et tu lui envoies un petit mail. Le titre va etre simple, "question à propos de votre discipline". Dans ce mail, tu vas leur demander gentillement si son travail est scientifique. Tu n'oublieras pas les politesse et tu cliqueras sur "envoyer". Voilà. Normalement si tu n'es pas idiot et que tu as vraiment envie d'apprendre, tu devrais avoir fait tout ça sans trop de problème. Alors maintenant soit sage et lorsque tu pourras, indique nous ici la reponse de ce scientifique.
That's a loads of complotist BS, but tell me.... EVEN IF that were true.. Can you tell me how reducing the global population would be a bad thing ?
The big overlord, the flag of a thousand colors. The worst ennemy of the Dalek:
"Compassionnate, Compassionate COMPASIONNATEEEEE"
In a few hundreds years, you guys will be seen in the same light as the Gallics who were afraid that the sky would fall on their heads... I would laugh at you with our hypothetical descendants if your rethoric wasn't so dangerous..
And the worst thing, is that its US, those who fight the status co on the question of heteronormativity, Patriarchy, ethnic inequalities and racism, capitalism, liberalism, poverty... that YOU are calling "boot Lickers".
You are literally sucking the power's idea DRY and spitting back ALL the lies of the rich and conservative to the face of the lower classes.. You are putting your faces right in front of the lips of far right fascist and conspirationnist. You are grabbing and strangeling little by little all the media to transform them into apolitical liberal and sometimes conservatives spaces. And you are calling the one group that is trying to stop all of you from abusing the entire society "boot lickers" ?
Oh boi.. do I have some surprises for you...
Sure
"Let's abolish the simplistic left or right issues and let's remplace it by an even much more smartest overnuanced society ! A society where political rethoric is not a question of power, a society where one can be a fascist but still be pro LGBTQ+, a society of extreme reformism, that have but one goal, to change nothing and everything at the SAME TIME !
Let's build the society of tomorrow by explaining that the minorities who fight for gender equalities are just the woke along the way. Who needs them anyway ? Let's be apolitical, no.. Better, let's all be liberal !!!
Let's believe in freedom for all!! Freedom of speech ("and the freedom to say my hate of black people if I want to"), freedom of market ! Freedom; freedom !!
Let's make everyone equal, beginning with the kids who start with the cultural and social capital of ten country leaders ! Everyone is equal in this society and there are NO COLORS ! How can one be stigmatized by the institutions if everyone knows that racism doesn't exist anymore ? And structures of dominations ?? There are gooooooone ! POOOF. Because we said so and because we are all individually making ourself better !! Yes ! Let's promote critical thinking so everyone can see just how smart we are now !
Let's all create our own path !
Begone depression, you don't exist anymore !
Begone poverty, by my will, I banish you !
Begone sexism, we cast you out from the system !"
Begone world.. I made an oopsie
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