Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

It really depends on the motivation tho.

Not really. There is no good motivation to say that we should abort foetus with down syndrom (aside from the will of the parents (mostly mother), as they are the own decider on the matter)

it's almost like... there is a bias

Or maybe its because of sociological reason and certain oppressions.. no ? Strange ...

I dont attack other people, that doesnt really matter because they take criticism of their religion personal in alot of cases

Because most of the critics are not aimed at their religion but how THEY act in their religion.

If thats the only options in a hypothetical scenario, id agree with that as well.

oh boi... Sigh

Worked really well for imam tawhidi, oh wait. . . .

That is working great for a lot of leftist muslims so I don't see a problem mate.

I dont care about mosques either, but i know many people who are against it despite not being racists

Can you tell me how you can be against mosquee construction and not be islamophobic ? I'm really intrigued here..

So far I'm a pro capitalistic, communistic, left leaning, right leaning, conservative+liberal+woke person. I'm everyone and everything.

Usually, when that's the case. Its means that you are a confusionnist.

When someone is being bashed by every side, it means that said someone doesn't hold a strong value system and therefore tries to equate leftists values with rightist values (which is why you can be called a conservative and pro capitalist) and rightist or conservative values with leftist values (which is why you can be called a communist or a woke).

I believe that you lean toward liberalism. Simply because you defend the notion of merit. Besides that, there is no way to put you on a side, which is why your discourse is so problematic.

People need to understand that not taking a side and staying "above" the political debate is NOT a sign of wisdom. Its a sign of a fear of affirming our own value system. A fear that can only lead to problematic discourse.

Politic can't be achieve without a conflict of value. If you refuse to affirm you own value system and try to equate incompatible values with eachothers, you are not doing politics, you are are confusing the political scale for others, which can only leads toward the depolitization of the public debate and... chaos or the conservation of the status co.

 

[Uncle Van]

Or maybe, just maybe, people throw out inaccurate labels just because they disagree with something you said.

 

[Toby D. Dog]

Bolded: You have?

And once again, I was speaking in general and leaving out a ton of other factors to save time. What I said wasn't even false, but the conclusions you were drawing from what I said were. Based on what you're saying here, is it good from me to assume that you admit it does happen(which would be agreeing with me)? Just not in a way that makes a difference?

When have I called you a commie or an alt right guy? The only time I questioned your political alignment before this was when I said I didn't know what you were. Don't be disingenuous. In this day and age, when people make claims like the ones you made, there is an implication you're making by throwing blanket statements such a as those.

You can say there was fraud here and there, which I'll agree with, cause this is a big ass country and it's statistically inevitable. However, when you say illegal immigration is way more lax because we're close to an election, you're all but implying that their purpose here is to commit fraud en masse in order to shift the election in favor of the Democrats.

 

[Herrera95]

Or maybe, just maybe, people throw out inaccurate labels just because they disagree with something you said.

Like wokes calling everyone who disagree with them a far right fascist

 

[Uncle Van]

When have I called you a commie or an alt right guy? The only time I questioned your political alignment before this was when I said I didn't know what you were. Don't be disingenuous. In this day and age, when people make claims like the ones you made, there is an implication you're making by throwing blanket statements such a as those.

You can say there was fraud here and there, which I'll agree with, cause this is a big ass country and it's statistically inevitable. However, when you say illegal immigration is way more lax because we're close to an election, you're all but implying that their purpose here is to commit fraud en masse in order to shift the election in favor of the Democrats.

I thought you were saying you did call me all those things which confused me. "You have?" was me literally asking if you did cause I never saw it.

EDIT: Also, democratic party has been lax for the longest time. They simply increase their pro illegal immigration stance when election draws near, among other things, like how Republicans increase their moral and religious panic around this time.

 

[Herrera95]

statistically inevitable

That's not how statistics works.

 

[Toby D. Dog]

I thought you were saying you did call me all those things which confused me. "You have?" was me literally asking if you did cause I never saw it.

Ah ok. Fair enough.
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That's not how statistics works.

In a country were more than 150 million people are eligible to vote, you'll find at least a couple of fraudulent votes. I know this is hard to understand for someone with a pea for a brain, but that is exactly how it works.

 

[Saturn-sama]

The electric voting system itself I see no problem on it. The fraud happens in other ways this last election of 2022 specially with the justice system favoring our ex condemned and ex president Lula over the current (at time) Bolsonaro.

Wait what? The justice system favored Lula? How?

 

[Herrera95]

In a country were more than 150 million people are eligible to vote, you'll find at least a couple of fraudulent votes. I know this is hard to understand for someone with a pea for a brain, but that is exactly how it works.

Again statistics doesn't work like that. You are doing what you are claiming Uncle Van of doing which is making polemic statements without providing any evidences.

 

[Uncle Van]

Ah ok. Fair enough.

Should note that sometimes when I post, I'm not explaining my own beliefs, but what other people think, to explain why people have issues and the like.

 

[Toby D. Dog]

Again statistics doesn't work like that. You are doing what you are claiming Uncle Van of doing which is making polemic statements without providing any evidences.

Bro, are you retarded? I know you are but this is like saying crime is not an inevitability in a city with more than a million people. There will be crime if there are a lot of people living next to each other. Utopias don't exist.
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Should note that sometimes when I post, I'm not explaining my own beliefs, but what other people think, to explain why people have issues and the like.

???

Alright, I'll take your word for it. It still doesn't mean people are right.

 

[Saturn-sama]

No SANE people wants to have illegal immigration. Especially way too many are highly criminal persons.

The demoncrats really want Trump to win.

Me being a „conspiracy nutjob“ or just a [false] nostradamus. Trump becomes president in Novemeber.

Biden and the Senate which is lead by the Demoncrats will give them all amnesty.. So Trump‘s „deportation“ will be met be resistance by the vile progressive and their propaganda tools. They will accuse Trump of striping „US-Citizens“ their illegal and artificially citizenship away. An outrageous act.

The Far left will make Trump look like „A.H“ with dramatized pictures of him deporting them on trains, bus, plaines etc etc. Even if the comparison is just vile since (Trump would deport them just away from the US. While AH and his criminal nazi pigs didn‘t deport them, rather committing atrocious war crimes...)

The Woke Governors of states like NY, Illinois, California, Arizona etc might utilize the Nationalguard to protect them“ This might spiral into a civil war and further a WW3 with different countries abusing the situation their. Woke Socialist Germany will play the the White Knight..

Countries like China who were conducting military drills with Marxist Justin Turdeaus Canadian units and Russia may take advantage of that situation...

Just me being a pessimistic and far-fetched person here..*

 

[Uncle Van]

???

Alright, I'll take your word for it. It still doesn't mean people are right.

Indeed they're not. If someone says "Why are people so riled up about trans?" and I say "forcing people to agree with them, making up new rulea for attention, going after kids, etc.", I'm simply mentioning, in a generalized way, why people get pissed(cause they themselves believe that to a T). Not talking about what I think about it.

This is still a generalized statement that lacks context, so people would assume I agree with it, which is what happened between me and you.

 

[Herrera95]

Wait what? The justice system favored Lula? How?

Will show some Portuguese articles but then you just translate in your browser.

https://www.cnnbrasil.com.br/politi...a-lula-e-6-a-bolsonaro-em-casos-de-fake-news/

https://oantagonista.com.br/brasil/...ia-lula-a-ditadores-da-nicaragua-e-venezuela/

https://valor.globo.com/google/amp/...-lula-foi-o-mais-votado-entre-os-presos.ghtml

https://www.correiobraziliense.com....ha-de-bolsonaro-sobre-insercoes-de-radio.html

And many more. To sum up you can't say Lula is friend of dictatots like Maduro, you can't say he was the most voted along prisoners (yes prisoners can vote here in Brazil is good to see who they are voting for although it is morally wrong for them to vote), you can't say he was arrested for corruption (Supreme Court who was OK with his sentence invented during pandemics that he should be judged in another state to set him free and eligible) and also in northeast there was a huge discrepancy on the political ads in favor of Lula.

 

[Saturn-sama]

Will show some Portuguese articles but then you just translate in your browser.

https://www.cnnbrasil.com.br/politi...a-lula-e-6-a-bolsonaro-em-casos-de-fake-news/

https://oantagonista.com.br/brasil/...ia-lula-a-ditadores-da-nicaragua-e-venezuela/

https://valor.globo.com/google/amp/...-lula-foi-o-mais-votado-entre-os-presos.ghtml

https://www.correiobraziliense.com....ha-de-bolsonaro-sobre-insercoes-de-radio.html

And many more. To sum up you can't say Lula is friend of dictatots like Maduro, you can't say he was the most voted along prisoners (yes prisoners can vote here in Brazil is good to see who they are voting for although it is morally wrong for them to vote), you can't say he was arrested for corruption (Supreme Court who was OK with his sentence invented during pandemics that he should be judged in another state to set him free and eligible) and also in northeast there was a huge discrepancy on the political ads in favor of Lula.

My gash that‘s a disgrace. Sadly courts being weaponized isn‘t something unheard of anymore and it‘s becoming way to common....

The fact that someone who was in Prison (Lula) is the president of your country is a disgrace. You need Bolsonaro back.

 

[Herrera95]

Bro, are you retarded? I know you are but this is like saying crime is not an inevitability in a city with more than a million people. There will be crime if there are a lot of people living next to each other. Utopias don't exist.

You can proof there is crime. You can't do the same with things you can't proof.
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My gash that‘s a disgrace. Sadly courts being weaponized isn‘t something unheard of anymore and it‘s becoming way to common....

The fact that someone who was in Prison (Lula) is the president of your country is a disgrace. You need Bolsonaro back.

It seems that the leaders of El Salvador and Hungary weakened the Supreme Court first before doing their changes. I need to study better. I know that El Salvador worked too well. Not sure about Hungary.
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No SANE people wants to have illegal immigration.

Libertarians doesn't believe in borders

 

[Saturn-sama]

seems that the leaders of El Salvador and Hungary weakened the Supreme Court first before doing their changes. I need to study better. I know that El Salvador worked too well. Not sure about Hungary.

President Bukele and Prime Minister Orban are
smart

Libertarians doesn't believe in border

Liberals* not Libertarians*
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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1775214444831703239

in addition now to *gaypril* it‘s a demonic cult

 

[Herrera95]

No SANE people wants to have illegal immigration. Especially way too many are highly criminal persons.

The demoncrats really want Trump to win.

Me being a „conspiracy nutjob“ or just a [false] nostradamus. Trump becomes president in Novemeber.

Biden and the Senate which is lead by the Demoncrats will give them all amnesty.. So Trump‘s „deportation“ will be met be resistance by the vile progressive and their propaganda tools. They will accuse Trump of striping „US-Citizens“ their illegal and artificially citizenship away. An outrageous act.

The Far left will make Trump look like „A.H“ with dramatized pictures of him deporting them on trains, bus, plaines etc etc. Even if the comparison is just vile since (Trump would deport them just away from the US. While AH and his criminal nazi pigs didn‘t deport them, rather committing atrocious war crimes...)

The Woke Governors of states like NY, Illinois, California, Arizona etc might utilize the Nationalguard to protect them“ This might spiral into a civil war and further a WW3 with different countries abusing the situation their. Woke Socialist Germany will play the the White Knight..

Countries like China who were conducting military drills with Marxist Justin Turdeaus Canadian units and Russia may take advantage of that situation...

Just me being a pessimistic and far-fetched person here..*

Civil War... Maybe... But WWIII because of that? Please...

Everyone knows specially world leaders that nothing unites more a country than a war. If the US would be under inside war the best thing would to let them to kill themselves first and only then attack. If you start to attack middle civil war the civil war just stop to respond the attack. And also way more countries are needed in order to have a WW3. Is not like the whole world would go against USA.

To be honest Civil War is also out of equation because of the disparity of weaponry governaments now have over population. I believe back at yours civil wars the army had more or less the same weaponry then civilians. Not sure don't know much about it.
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Liberals* not Libertarians*

Libertarians. I refuse to be called a liberal given what they represent in US.

 

[Saturn-sama]

Civil War... Maybe... But WWIII because of that? Please...

Everyone knows specially world leaders that nothing unites more a country than a war. If the US would be under inside war the best thing would to let them to kill themselves first and only then attack. If you start to attack middle civil war the civil war just stop to respond the attack. And also way more countries are needed in order to have a WW3. Is not like the whole world would go against USA.

To be honest Civil War is also out of equation because of the disparity of weaponry governaments now have over population. I believe back at yours civil wars the army had more or less the same weaponry then civilians. Not sure don't know much about it.
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Libertarians. I refuse to be called a liberal given what they represent in US.

A civil war could be utilized to a WW3. My comparison to WW3 was just a hyperbole.

And I‘m not sure why the woke western countries wouldn‘t go into a war with the US? It would be more a war against the Trump administration rather. Due falsified reminiscent action with Trump deporting those illegals.
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Libertarians. I refuse to be called a liberal given what they represent in US.

i agree with liberal and the US, but honestly they don‘t call themselves just liberals. They call themselves [cultural]marxists and [woke] progressives.

I am a libertarian. Freedom of choices, closed borders, taxes as low as possible, small [efficient] government. Remember Libertarian comes from the word Liberty. I want to be Liberated from lunatic policies.

 

[Uncle Van]

Also, those who think Americans are poor or can't find jobs because of illegal immigration is funny is fuck.

Allllsoooo, Libertarianism and Neoliberalism are exactly the same minus one thing: Libertarians want to limit the government so that it can't regulate the private sector. Neoliberals want to use the government to deregulate the private sector. Same result different methods.