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I'm just replying to you mate and you are again trying to twist reality with your wording lol, damn you never stop 
Rightists then. Gotcha
And the 1914 pages of this thread just proves how much people are not interested in politic on this forum.
Gotcha
But lets assume that is the case (which is not as if that was the case, we wouldn't be talking about One Piece on this forum) : Those who don't care about oppression when there is oppression are part of the problem. This is a position of priviledge and ignorance. Ergo not a position to be really proud of.
Let's say that slavery is about to be restaured. Well in that case, those saying "I don't care about politic" would simply be deepsh*ts. We are lucky, slavery is not back.. but we have transphobia, fascism rising, autoritarian capitalism, far right bigotry and so on...
So you are lucky that I'm patient with apolitical mate.
Also being moderate does not means you don't care about politics, its just means that you are incapable of owning your own political values.
On the contrary, it has everything to do with it. But I can't ask a apolitical to understand that.
Each crewmates in One Piece is a paragon of a set of value. For Usopp its pride and courage, for Luffy its the importance of freedom, for Nami its the importance of trust, for Zoro its the importance of Honor etc. Which means that each time we have a debate about a strawhat we also have a debate about values that should be put in the strawhat crew.
Sadly, since you guys were too focused in discussing the surface of the characters, you completely missed that point. (which is another reason why most of you don't understand what really makes a strawhat to begin with).
But.. what happens when you put potential strawhats in conflict with each others ? Well, this:
You are completely missing it, but the Nakama thread didn't start to be political because of me. It was ALWAYS political. And that's one of the reason why the Yamato / Carrot conflict created such debate and so many pages.
Behind Yamato VS Carrot, its was a political war. First on the value of the character : Carrot relies on this importance of wonder and growth while Yamato relies also on the importance of growth but also the importance of responsibility. Second on the value of the debaters : Yamato fan were mostly toxic toward Carrot and their fan but also were the representant of what they thought was the importance of having a strong, virilistic and lore related character to join the crew while Carrot fan were MOSTLY the opposite, they liked Carrot because of her story, they didn't necessaraly hated Yamato because of her personnality, some also because she was a furry and not at all because of her strenght.
This double opposition created a clash, on the legitimacy of the characters to join the crew and (when I arrived) on the legitimacy of the debater to have a serious conversation.
This was a CLASSICAL political debate.
What I did was simply explaining why we needed to understand that in order to have a good debate. You guys refused to listen, so I pushed the limits and I showed why the simple way a reader can see a character (in this case Carrot being an "animal" for some) was in fact the revelator of a political value burried deep (systemic racism) that was only freed because the character is "fictionnal".
But what you guys don't realize, is that only the story is fictionnal. What you guys are saying, be it about the characters or anything else, is very real.
So when someone repetitively dehumanize a character in order to attack them, I consider this person to be toxic and problematic.
I know you don't understand that because you brain is wired to ignore the political in every bits of society, but its time to wake the F. up. Rules are not godly bibles. They are here because someone thought they can be relevant. If they are not, there is NO NEED for those rules.
My point is that EVERY STORIES ARE POLITICAL especially One Piece, which means that you can't be a serious and safe One Piece forum without leaving space for the political discussions about the story to emerge.
What you will create instead, is a place were conflict are buried and were people are agressive and toxic to eachothers.
By following this rule, you create a place of negativity, incapable of questionning itself.
Poor them
No. Its not the fault of the posters or right winger if I'm gone from this thread, its simply because a moderator thought that following the rule was more important than doing the right thing.
Nothing more.
Oh.. you cheeky tanuki, you know full well that you are lying here
In reality this "left space" (that was intended to be indeed a safe space for leftists) was created around 6 month year PRIOR my threadban from the Nakama thread hehehe, and between that I changed my tactics and opinions about politics on this forum at least twice. In fact at the time, I was not so eager to let politic shine everywhere on this forum as I didn't really understand myself the importance of doing that.
I knew talking about certain topic was important but I was not as aware of the political as I'm now.
Yes, and ?
Do you need to be reminded of the history of racism to understand that racism is bad ?
Rightists then. Gotcha
And the 1914 pages of this thread just proves how much people are not interested in politic on this forum.
Gotcha
But lets assume that is the case (which is not as if that was the case, we wouldn't be talking about One Piece on this forum) : Those who don't care about oppression when there is oppression are part of the problem. This is a position of priviledge and ignorance. Ergo not a position to be really proud of.
Let's say that slavery is about to be restaured. Well in that case, those saying "I don't care about politic" would simply be deepsh*ts. We are lucky, slavery is not back.. but we have transphobia, fascism rising, autoritarian capitalism, far right bigotry and so on...
So you are lucky that I'm patient with apolitical mate.
Also being moderate does not means you don't care about politics, its just means that you are incapable of owning your own political values.
On the contrary, it has everything to do with it. But I can't ask a apolitical to understand that.
Each crewmates in One Piece is a paragon of a set of value. For Usopp its pride and courage, for Luffy its the importance of freedom, for Nami its the importance of trust, for Zoro its the importance of Honor etc. Which means that each time we have a debate about a strawhat we also have a debate about values that should be put in the strawhat crew.
Sadly, since you guys were too focused in discussing the surface of the characters, you completely missed that point. (which is another reason why most of you don't understand what really makes a strawhat to begin with).
But.. what happens when you put potential strawhats in conflict with each others ? Well, this:
You are completely missing it, but the Nakama thread didn't start to be political because of me. It was ALWAYS political. And that's one of the reason why the Yamato / Carrot conflict created such debate and so many pages.
Behind Yamato VS Carrot, its was a political war. First on the value of the character : Carrot relies on this importance of wonder and growth while Yamato relies also on the importance of growth but also the importance of responsibility. Second on the value of the debaters : Yamato fan were mostly toxic toward Carrot and their fan but also were the representant of what they thought was the importance of having a strong, virilistic and lore related character to join the crew while Carrot fan were MOSTLY the opposite, they liked Carrot because of her story, they didn't necessaraly hated Yamato because of her personnality, some also because she was a furry and not at all because of her strenght.
This double opposition created a clash, on the legitimacy of the characters to join the crew and (when I arrived) on the legitimacy of the debater to have a serious conversation.
This was a CLASSICAL political debate.
What I did was simply explaining why we needed to understand that in order to have a good debate. You guys refused to listen, so I pushed the limits and I showed why the simple way a reader can see a character (in this case Carrot being an "animal" for some) was in fact the revelator of a political value burried deep (systemic racism) that was only freed because the character is "fictionnal".
But what you guys don't realize, is that only the story is fictionnal. What you guys are saying, be it about the characters or anything else, is very real.
So when someone repetitively dehumanize a character in order to attack them, I consider this person to be toxic and problematic.
I know you don't understand that because you brain is wired to ignore the political in every bits of society, but its time to wake the F. up. Rules are not godly bibles. They are here because someone thought they can be relevant. If they are not, there is NO NEED for those rules.
My point is that EVERY STORIES ARE POLITICAL especially One Piece, which means that you can't be a serious and safe One Piece forum without leaving space for the political discussions about the story to emerge.
What you will create instead, is a place were conflict are buried and were people are agressive and toxic to eachothers.
By following this rule, you create a place of negativity, incapable of questionning itself.
Poor them
No. Its not the fault of the posters or right winger if I'm gone from this thread, its simply because a moderator thought that following the rule was more important than doing the right thing.
Nothing more.
Oh.. you cheeky tanuki, you know full well that you are lying here
In reality this "left space" (that was intended to be indeed a safe space for leftists) was created around 6 month year PRIOR my threadban from the Nakama thread hehehe, and between that I changed my tactics and opinions about politics on this forum at least twice. In fact at the time, I was not so eager to let politic shine everywhere on this forum as I didn't really understand myself the importance of doing that.
I knew talking about certain topic was important but I was not as aware of the political as I'm now.
Yes, and ?
Do you need to be reminded of the history of racism to understand that racism is bad ?
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I'm just replying to you mate and you are again trying to twist reality with your wording lol, damn you never stop
Rightists then. Gotcha
And the 1914 pages of this thread just proves how much people are not interested in politic on this forum.
Gotcha
But lets assume that is the case (which is not as if that was the case, we wouldn't be talking about One Piece on this forum) : Those who don't care about oppression when there is oppression are part of the problem. This is a position of priviledge and ignorance. Ergo not a position to be really proud of.
Let's say that slavery is about to be restaured. Well in that case, those saying "I don't care about politic" would simply be deepsh*ts. We are lucky, slavery is not back.. but we have transphobia, fascism rising, autoritarian capitalism, far right bigotry and so on...
So you are lucky that I'm patient with apolitical mate.
Also being moderate does not means you don't care about politics, its just means that you are incapable of owning your own political values.
On the contrary, it has everything to do with it. But I can't ask a apolitical to understand that.
Each crewmates in One Piece is a paragon of a set of value. For Usopp its pride and courage, for Luffy its the importance of freedom, for Nami its the importance of trust, for Zoro its the importance of Honor etc. Which means that each time we have a debate about a strawhat we also have a debate about values that should be put in the strawhat crew.
Sadly, since you guys were too focused in discussing the surface of the characters, you completely missed that point. (which is another reason why most of you don't understand what really makes a strawhat to begin with).
But.. what happens when you put potential strawhats in conflict with each others ? Well, this:
You are completely missing it, but the Nakama thread didn't start to be political because of me. It was ALWAYS political. And that's one of the reason why the Yamato / Carrot conflict created such debate and so many pages.
Behind Yamato VS Carrot, its was a political war. First on the value of the character : Carrot relies on this importance of wonder and growth while Yamato relies also on the importance of growth but also the importance of responsibility. Second on the value of the debaters : Yamato fan were mostly toxic toward Carrot and their fan but also were the representant of what they thought was the importance of having a strong, virilistic and lore related character to join the crew while Carrot fan were MOSTLY the opposite, they liked Carrot because of her story, they didn't necessaraly hated Yamato because of her personnality, some also because she was a furry and not at all because of her strenght.
This double opposition created a clash, on the legitimacy of the characters to join the crew and (when I arrived) on the legitimacy of the debater to have a serious conversation.
This was a CLASSICAL political debate.
What I did was simply explaining why we needed to understand that in order to have a good debate. You guys refused to listen, so I pushed the limits and I showed why the simple way a reader can see a character (in this case Carrot being an "animal" for some) was in fact the revelator of a political value burried deep (systemic racism) that was only freed because the character is "fictionnal".
But what you guys don't realize, is that only the story is fictionnal. What you guys are saying, be it about the characters or anything else, is very real.
So when someone repetitively dehumanize a character in order to attack them, I consider this person to be toxic and problematic.
I know you don't understand that because you brain is wired to ignore the political in every bits of society, but its time to wake the F. up. Rules are not godly bibles. They are here because someone thought they can be relevant. If they are not, there is NO NEED for those rules.
My point is that EVERY STORIES ARE POLITICAL especially One Piece, which means that you can't be a serious and safe One Piece forum without leaving space for the political discussions about the story to emerge.
What you will create instead, is a place were conflict are buried and were people are agressive and toxic to eachothers.
By following this rule, you create a place of negativity, incapable of questionning itself.
Poor them
No. Its not the fault of the posters or right winger if I'm gone from this thread, its simply because a moderator thought that following the rule was more important than doing the right thing.
Nothing more.
Oh.. you cheeky tanuki, you know full well that you are lying here
In reality this "left space" (that was intended to be indeed a safe space for leftists) was created around 6 month year PRIOR my threadban from the Nakama thread hehehe, and between that I changed my tactics and opinions about politics on this forum at least twice. In fact at the time, I was not so eager to let politic shine everywhere on this forum as I didn't really understand myself the importance of doing that.
I knew talking about certain topic was important but I was not as aware of the political as I'm now.
Yes, and ?
Do you need to be reminded of the history of racism to understand that racism is bad ?
Rightists then. Gotcha
And the 1914 pages of this thread just proves how much people are not interested in politic on this forum.
Gotcha
But lets assume that is the case (which is not as if that was the case, we wouldn't be talking about One Piece on this forum) : Those who don't care about oppression when there is oppression are part of the problem. This is a position of priviledge and ignorance. Ergo not a position to be really proud of.
Let's say that slavery is about to be restaured. Well in that case, those saying "I don't care about politic" would simply be deepsh*ts. We are lucky, slavery is not back.. but we have transphobia, fascism rising, autoritarian capitalism, far right bigotry and so on...
So you are lucky that I'm patient with apolitical mate.
Also being moderate does not means you don't care about politics, its just means that you are incapable of owning your own political values.
On the contrary, it has everything to do with it. But I can't ask a apolitical to understand that.
Each crewmates in One Piece is a paragon of a set of value. For Usopp its pride and courage, for Luffy its the importance of freedom, for Nami its the importance of trust, for Zoro its the importance of Honor etc. Which means that each time we have a debate about a strawhat we also have a debate about values that should be put in the strawhat crew.
Sadly, since you guys were too focused in discussing the surface of the characters, you completely missed that point. (which is another reason why most of you don't understand what really makes a strawhat to begin with).
But.. what happens when you put potential strawhats in conflict with each others ? Well, this:
You are completely missing it, but the Nakama thread didn't start to be political because of me. It was ALWAYS political. And that's one of the reason why the Yamato / Carrot conflict created such debate and so many pages.
Behind Yamato VS Carrot, its was a political war. First on the value of the character : Carrot relies on this importance of wonder and growth while Yamato relies also on the importance of growth but also the importance of responsibility. Second on the value of the debaters : Yamato fan were mostly toxic toward Carrot and their fan but also were the representant of what they thought was the importance of having a strong, virilistic and lore related character to join the crew while Carrot fan were MOSTLY the opposite, they liked Carrot because of her story, they didn't necessaraly hated Yamato because of her personnality, some also because she was a furry and not at all because of her strenght.
This double opposition created a clash, on the legitimacy of the characters to join the crew and (when I arrived) on the legitimacy of the debater to have a serious conversation.
This was a CLASSICAL political debate.
What I did was simply explaining why we needed to understand that in order to have a good debate. You guys refused to listen, so I pushed the limits and I showed why the simple way a reader can see a character (in this case Carrot being an "animal" for some) was in fact the revelator of a political value burried deep (systemic racism) that was only freed because the character is "fictionnal".
But what you guys don't realize, is that only the story is fictionnal. What you guys are saying, be it about the characters or anything else, is very real.
So when someone repetitively dehumanize a character in order to attack them, I consider this person to be toxic and problematic.
I know you don't understand that because you brain is wired to ignore the political in every bits of society, but its time to wake the F. up. Rules are not godly bibles. They are here because someone thought they can be relevant. If they are not, there is NO NEED for those rules.
My point is that EVERY STORIES ARE POLITICAL especially One Piece, which means that you can't be a serious and safe One Piece forum without leaving space for the political discussions about the story to emerge.
What you will create instead, is a place were conflict are buried and were people are agressive and toxic to eachothers.
By following this rule, you create a place of negativity, incapable of questionning itself.
Poor them
No. Its not the fault of the posters or right winger if I'm gone from this thread, its simply because a moderator thought that following the rule was more important than doing the right thing.
Nothing more.
Oh.. you cheeky tanuki, you know full well that you are lying here
In reality this "left space" (that was intended to be indeed a safe space for leftists) was created around 6 month year PRIOR my threadban from the Nakama thread hehehe, and between that I changed my tactics and opinions about politics on this forum at least twice. In fact at the time, I was not so eager to let politic shine everywhere on this forum as I didn't really understand myself the importance of doing that.
I knew talking about certain topic was important but I was not as aware of the political as I'm now.
Yes, and ?
Do you need to be reminded of the history of racism to understand that racism is bad ?
Dude, you're either the best troll in the history of this forum or you seriously need some therapy ASAP. You shouldn't be arguing with these people in the first place. Go see a professional instead of arguing with Zolo of all people. If you seriously can't find the motivation to do the things you want, then you won't find the solution to those problems by grandstanding to a bunch of retards like us.
Rule n°1 when talking to someone that is not mentally well: Do not tell them to seek help unless there is a vital urgency either for them or for you. Its not helpfull, its hurtfulI and its delibitating knowing the fact that those people most likely already see someone or have their reasons not to do so while being fully aware of their situation.
I will do what makes me feel good. And what makes me feel good right now, is to talk about One Piece and fight the BS of rightists people.
I will do what makes me feel good. And what makes me feel good right now, is to talk about One Piece and fight the BS of rightists people.
Under meritocracy, its very hard for people to compute the fact that wanting to do something or doing everything that you are capable of doing to achieve it does not necessarily mean that you can achieve it. And I'm being blocked by something that is out of my direct control from accomplishing my dreams or simply being as productive as people think they must be in life and despite that, I'm showing that I'm very assertive with a lot of mental strenght. This is a paradoxe that a lot of people can't process.
Because if I exist and do not lie, then this means that doing your best and working hard to overcome your situation does not necesserily equate to success and therefore the myth of meritocracy is crackling. So some people here are trying to find ways to deligitimize my life in order to maintain the illusion of theirs.
In other words: My mental state became a political subject.
Because if I exist and do not lie, then this means that doing your best and working hard to overcome your situation does not necesserily equate to success and therefore the myth of meritocracy is crackling. So some people here are trying to find ways to deligitimize my life in order to maintain the illusion of theirs.
In other words: My mental state became a political subject.
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Because you don't understand meritocracy. You are not the only one with bad conditions. All people are different. All people have their uniqueness and will exceed and succeed in different areas.
So when taking those people there is a clear path they can choose. And here is where meritocracy exists. If you don't do nothing to succeed just born with the ability to succeed is meaningless.
The world is vast with examples. People who became rich without coming from a rich family. People who became poor despite being from a rich family.
Meritocracy is not political. Is physics. The mere idea of denying it is even more absurd than saying the earth is flat.
So when taking those people there is a clear path they can choose. And here is where meritocracy exists. If you don't do nothing to succeed just born with the ability to succeed is meaningless.
The world is vast with examples. People who became rich without coming from a rich family. People who became poor despite being from a rich family.
Meritocracy is not political. Is physics. The mere idea of denying it is even more absurd than saying the earth is flat.
Sadly, I do mate.
I agree. You just forgot the word "potentially".
This sentence doesn't really make sence mate
We call those cases "transclass" (in french "transfuge de classe"). Those are sociological rare exceptions and not representative of a systemic reality.
No, its mythical. Its an idea. A romantic idea of the power of the mind over nature. Its the symbol of idealism as opposed to materialism which is how you can really see the world through its true nature.
For you, yes maybe. For me, its the opposite. And between you and me, I am the one who is backed by science :)
If you want to prove to me that meritocracy exist just explain me this : Why are there still poor people on earth ?
If you can answer that without saying that some people just want to stay poor or are simply unlucky or born without any capacities for success, then you will have managed to prove the validity of what you are claiming.
If not, well.. we gonna have some fun.
I agree. You just forgot the word "potentially".
This sentence doesn't really make sence mate
We call those cases "transclass" (in french "transfuge de classe"). Those are sociological rare exceptions and not representative of a systemic reality.
No, its mythical. Its an idea. A romantic idea of the power of the mind over nature. Its the symbol of idealism as opposed to materialism which is how you can really see the world through its true nature.
For you, yes maybe. For me, its the opposite. And between you and me, I am the one who is backed by science :)
If you want to prove to me that meritocracy exist just explain me this : Why are there still poor people on earth ?
If you can answer that without saying that some people just want to stay poor or are simply unlucky or born without any capacities for success, then you will have managed to prove the validity of what you are claiming.
If not, well.. we gonna have some fun.
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Yes it does. There are people that work hard, study and improve in life. While others doesn't. They just play around. And therefore they don't succeed. And that's independently of your conditions. Poor or rich doesn't matter in this aspect.
Of course. The world is full of exceptions so you can have your delusional rule that doesn't exist in reality.
Is not hard even a left wing like you can understand. If you don't work hard you can expect receiving nothing in return. If you don't plant you can't gather.
People are poor because of dictatorships like the ones you defend (Hamas included), because of government that took money from people and barely gives anything in return, governament that prevents free market so the economy can develop, those are the main reasons for the majority of population, but of course we may always have those who wants to do nothing to get better in life and will stay in poverty forever.
And the only one backed by science here is me. Your pseudo science is not science.
Of course. The world is full of exceptions so you can have your delusional rule that doesn't exist in reality.
Is not hard even a left wing like you can understand. If you don't work hard you can expect receiving nothing in return. If you don't plant you can't gather.
People are poor because of dictatorships like the ones you defend (Hamas included), because of government that took money from people and barely gives anything in return, governament that prevents free market so the economy can develop, those are the main reasons for the majority of population, but of course we may always have those who wants to do nothing to get better in life and will stay in poverty forever.
And the only one backed by science here is me. Your pseudo science is not science.
This make more sence, indeed there are people who work hard and others not so much. But I think that you are failing to see who is really succeeding here. Because usually, those who don't work hard are those who have money.
Yes, in this case, transclass are a sociological and documented exception. They are simply not the norm.
That's a myth mate :)
In reality, working hard and succeeding are two unrelated things.
SO you are saying that there is a system that is OUT of people's control (even if this is a complete BS system) that prevent people from being rich despite the fact that Meritocracy do exist ?
Interesting... Its just like you just proved that working hard is not enough to succeed
No, not really xD
So you think people are being kept poor simply because there is no free market ? So again, working hard is not the solution and therefore meritocracy is a myth :)
Oh here we go... "some people are poor because they want to stay poor". And you manage to sleep while being such a inhuman piece of work ?
As if some people were just happy to be poor... capitalism really brainwashed your brain little boy.
No. Lmao. But its not like I could ask a far right ignorant to really care about social sciences.
But hey, keep leaving in your dream world, I guess you will never understand the real one...
And thanks for proving that meritocracy is - indeed - a myth.
Yes, in this case, transclass are a sociological and documented exception. They are simply not the norm.
That's a myth mate :)
In reality, working hard and succeeding are two unrelated things.
SO you are saying that there is a system that is OUT of people's control (even if this is a complete BS system) that prevent people from being rich despite the fact that Meritocracy do exist ?
Interesting... Its just like you just proved that working hard is not enough to succeed
No, not really xD
So you think people are being kept poor simply because there is no free market ? So again, working hard is not the solution and therefore meritocracy is a myth :)
Oh here we go... "some people are poor because they want to stay poor". And you manage to sleep while being such a inhuman piece of work ?
As if some people were just happy to be poor... capitalism really brainwashed your brain little boy.
No. Lmao. But its not like I could ask a far right ignorant to really care about social sciences.
But hey, keep leaving in your dream world, I guess you will never understand the real one...
And thanks for proving that meritocracy is - indeed - a myth.
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