Stay humble kiddo. (This is real arrogance)

It is completely possible to make Sanji evolve narratively while keeping him true to character.

Sexism is not okay and we can actually make Oda evolve on that. We just need to raise our voice.

Everything is possible
Kiddo... I'm 33 dude.

But no, it is not your job to do that. Let the author write his own damn story the way he wants to, to his original vision.

It's TRUE arrogance to think you know better. Guess what? You don't. And it's not your story to mess with.
 
Kiddo... I'm 33 dude.

But no, it is not your job to do that. Let the author write his own damn story the way he wants to, to his original vision.

It's TRUE arrogance to think you know better. Guess what? You don't. And it's not your story to mess with.
Its not about writing the story for him. Its about making him understand that sexism is not cool and not funny. This is a fact weither you like it or not mate. Period.

Oda is an amazing writer. He can write Sanji without it
 
Who would have thought that in Worstgen we had radical feminists anti-prostitution , I'm a man so I cannot declare myself a feminist since it is a women's fight but I do feel closer to liberal feminism that respects sex workers, so good job Sanji!!

What a mature and adult debate, something very rare in worstgen, because I don't think it was a ridiculous comment justo to talk bad about a character you don't like using sketches? right?
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Its not about writing the story for him. Its about making him understand that sexism is not cool and not funny. This is a fact weither you like it or not mate. Period.

Oda is an amazing writer. He can write Sanji without it
You're right but as western fans we can't do anything, not through twitter or letters as you suggest, the only thing left is to hope that the live action experience makes him see that this type of comedy is not ideal
 
Yeah lol, police assaults left-wing activists for the slightest things, its more a sign of liberal activists been too sheltered.
I wasn't even thinking about police violence. But every single idiot who assaulted left-wing activists while doing the most harmless thing : distributing flyers.


Minister of Interior and alleged rapist Gerald Darmanin, who is also on a political campaign for Macron's party and himself, just said on tv that "51 person with various profiles got physically assaulted during the campaign". Interestingly, it's just a number that doesn't give out much information.

Among these 51 assaulted for instance, there is a LesRépublicains mayor who was called a "collabo" and told that he'll be shaved for it ( a practice done to the collabo after the libération from the nazis ). LR which has half of his party allied with the Waffen-SS partei aka Rassemblement National...
 

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The problem is not Sanji. Whole cake is indeed an amazing arc. The problem is Oda's sexism that he is projecting toward Sanji (or Brook). Oda simply do not see those behavior as very problematic and when he does he plays them like a joke.

This is the big problem of One Piece.

For us, metoo passed by. So we understand how problematic those behaviors are. But not Oda. He is trapped in a format and a still very sexist culture.

Remove the sexism of Sanji or the sexist jokes, and Sanji will be an amazing and indeed, very kind character.

That's why I choose to ignore Sanji's moment of sexism (while remembering that they still exists), it allows me to really appreciate the arc for what it is supposed to be.

I would love for Oda to come back on his work and erase some of those very problematic moments.

This one however is really not a good example of said sexism.

Sanji is not asking Nami to buy a sex slave. Anyone with two neurons can understand that it would be dumb. He is just asking Nami if they can save this girl too (since they intend to buy Caimie back) to bring her back with them.

Its simple simpness, nothing more.

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Also, I want to add that this is not something we can't do nothing about. We can try to make Oda understand why it is problematic.

Send him letters, makes reasonnables critics on twitter etc.

The purpose is not to trash the manga but raise his awareness of the subject and maybe make Sanji grow a little bit.

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Respect Sex workers please.
yeah i'm sure nami and chopper hit him because he just wanted to save her
 
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Dudes that love porn and sex but hating the people that get paid to do it. Yep this is definitely a nerd forum
Um, what?
First of all, I like sex, yet I wouldn't want to share my dick pics so that millions of people can see it online, only to earn my money.
Secondly, I don't hate sex workers, it's their own lives and they are mature enough to know what is best to them. It's their own responsibility - as I said, it's a different story if people get forced to sell their bodies.
However, I don't have to respect it. They are selling their own bodies after all. I'm apathetic to it and I hold the view that every person can do whatever they want as long as it's not illegal. Yet, I have my own beliefs and I don't have to respect everything... Would you respect your coworker if he or she was offering their body to higher ups, so that this person gets a higher position? But that person is technically doing nothing wrong as well...

By the way, consumers are also a huge part of this problem, if not even way more than those who sell their bodies.
 
Didnt know we also had OF creators here.
OT: Prostitution is Mid. Consumers are also mid. The whole shit is mid. Yes their choice but calling that respectful is also a joke.

Opening your legs regardless of sex in front of millions for money can be a choice but not respectful. Respect is for the real ones busting their asses to earn a respectful living.
 
Didnt know we also had OF creators here.
OT: Prostitution is Mid. Consumers are also mid. The whole shit is mid. Yes their choice but calling that respectful is also a joke.

Opening your legs regardless of sex in front of millions for money can be a choice but not respectful. Respect is for the real ones busting their asses to earn a respectful living.
There are people who are forced into that and they have no option, but they want to change their life


But then you see these some who are living a good life but want to open their leg infront of anyone just for extra little cash

I feel bad for their husband n future child n the ones supporting them
 
Um, what?
First of all, I like sex, yet I wouldn't want to share my dick pics so that millions of people can see it online, only to earn my money.
I’m not specifically referring to you. You gotta admit some of the dudes that be hating on sex workers and sometimes just women in general the most be some of the highest consumers of it. People like that are just straight up incel losers. This being an online weeb forum there are definitely some here

Also if you don’t want to don’t it’s okay
Secondly, I don't hate sex workers, it's their own lives and they are mature enough to know what is best to them. It's their own responsibility - as I said, it's a different story if people get forced to sell their bodies.
However, I don't have to respect it. They are selling their own bodies after all. I'm apathetic to it and I hold the view that every person can do whatever they want as long as it's not illegal. Yet, I have my own beliefs and I don't have to respect everything... Would you respect your coworker if he or she was offering their body to higher ups, so that this person gets a higher position? But that person is technically doing nothing wrong as well...
I think we can all agree people that get forced into sex work or slavery or other bad things are bad

It’s 100% respectable and more than fine not to like things like online or real life sex work. Tho I don’t think it’s right to respect a person man or woman less for doing it tbh cause like most people they are more than just the one aspect of them. Tho obviously I’m not gonna force you to like it or them cause that’s weird lol. At the end of the day you do you as long as you not going out of your way to hurt people
And even if you were hurting people ain’t shit i could do either way lol. I don’t know how internet crime or confessions works tbh
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As for the coworker thing I would have less respect and be more upset at the boss than my coworker. If they felt they were forced to do it in order to move up even worse obviously on the boss. If they didn’t feel forced to it’s still fuck the boss imo (not literally in my case unless…😏). Joking … kinda cause if I’m being honest if my boss a 10/10 in looks and personality I can’t promise I’d refuse the offer
:handsup:

Also petty but it also just depends how much I fuck with the coworker assuming they didn’t feel forced. If I hated them before I’d probably hate them more. If I fucked with them before ima still fuck with them after but that’s just me


By the way, consumers are also a huge part of this problem, if not even way more than those who sell their bodies.
Nah I can 100% agree with this
It’s a market people are willing to spend dumb money on and if you aren’t going out of your way to hurt people I say make your money.
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The people wasting insane amounts of money on it are bigger losers and less respectable than the people acting doing the work lol. Even then it most the time just comes down to how much you indulge yourself
  • You can be relatively normal and go to a strip club every now and then
  • Some places paying for sex a couple times is deadass just normal lol
  • Even people that pay for porn probably ain’t all that bad lol. There’s definitely a bunch we probably know in real life that just don’t admit they do
    • Bring it back to nerdy shit maybe they view it the same way people buy official manga and merchandise do lol. They can get it for free but they like supporting their favorite creator 🧠
 
There are people who are forced into that and they have no option, but they want to change their life


But then you see these some who are living a good life but want to open their leg infront of anyone just for extra little cash

I feel bad for their husband n future child n the ones supporting them
Yeah, Unfortunately there are those who just get dragged into this unwillingly or as last option but then those calling themselves CrEaToRs for willingly going this route are Clowns.

And yes, cant imagine what the actual relationship looks like of these CrEaTors.
Im pretty sure no child would want to introduce their parent as a prostitute or such.

Imaging a convo going like:
Hey buddy so my dad works at this whatever, pretty cool right, what about your parents?

The unfortunate one: My dad is Housedad and my mum makes way more than your dad can ever make! Shes an online celebrity with a huge following!!
She shakes her ass and does weird things for strangers online.
 
You're right but as western fans we can't do anything, not through twitter or letters as you suggest, the only thing left is to hope that the live action experience makes him see that this type of comedy is not ideal
The last SBS proved that Oda can receive letters and read letters from the western world.

We can have a voice. Not saying it will work, but we can still try.


I can't look at a sex worker as a human being
Then I can't look at you in a respectful way either.

:kayneshrug:
I won't debate this here since its not a political thread. But is is not an option. Respect sex workers.



yeah i'm sure nami and chopper hit him because he just wanted to save her
Yup, that a simple gag meaning to punish Sanji's simpness. Nothing more.


So innocent and naive :suresure:
Oda doesn't respect Sanji bro
Trust me, Oda respects Sanji immensily. Whole Cake proved that.

But he does project his sexism on him which is problematic.


How can I respect sex workers if they can't even respect themselves? I only pity those who are forced to sell their body.
Its not for you to say that they don't respect themself. If you want to have this conversation > Political thread. Here its not an option. Respect sex workers.


A basic guy , clearing exams , Completing university , improving skills , internships , starts at bottom.
Vs
Only fans girl who makes more money than him in a month.

How do I respect this profession
If that's justified , me selling drugs should be justified as well.
The only reason why selling you drugs is problematic is because drugs are considered very harmfull to you and your environment.

Again, more in the political thread, I will tag all of you in there, I won't have this conversation here.

Respect sex workers, that's all what I'm asking here.

And if others don't understand :

>>>>>>>>>>> GO HERE
 

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The last SBS proved that Oda can receive letters and read letters from the western world.

We can have a voice. Not saying it will work, but we can still try.



Then I can't look at you in a respectful way either.

:kayneshrug:
I won't debate this here since its not a political thread. But is is not an option. Respect sex workers.




Yup, that a simple gag meaning to punish Sanji's simpness. Nothing more.



Trust me, Oda respects Sanji immensily. Whole Cake proved that.

But he does project his sexism on him which is problematic.



Its not for you to say that they don't respect themself. If you want to have this conversation > Political thread. Here its not an option. Respect sex workers.



The only reason why selling you drugs is problematic is because drugs are considered very harmfull to you and your environment.

Again, more in the political thread, I will tag all of you in there, I won't have this conversation here.

Respect sex workers, that's all what I'm asking here.

And if others don't understand :

>>>>>>>>>>> GO HERE
nah if he had good intentions there would be no need to smack him
 
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