Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

Dude, science is by definition a category of knowledge lmao.

No mate. That's what you don't get.

Science is a methodology to ACQUIRE knowledge its not knowledge itself.

And knowledge is by definition a category under logic or reason lol.

No lol.

Logic is a methodology to PROCESS knowledge, its not knowledge either.

which science relies on to make claims about empircal facts being true

Science relies more on a practice than reason or logic (even tho those are tools). Again, science is a methodology.

materialism makes science impossible as well as any kind of knowledge.

Materialism (in the actual context) is literally the application of scientific knowledge mate.

I think you don't understand what we are talking about here.

Not happening, not under Trump. His entire administration is already being sold at the auction and the highest bidders aren't radicals, but people like J.D. Vance

I wouldn't be so sure

Remember that the same luck is applying to that guy:

 

[Saturn-sama]

guessing this is a huge wake up call for secret service agents, been a while since a president/candidate's been shot.

How is that incompetence? They literally knew he was there. They lined on him.

None of us know ss protocol. Allegedly they can‘t engage before..

Rules of engagement.

 

[Ultra]

@Uncle Van this is like the second coming of Reagan my guy. The last bastions and protections that we have for the middle class will be swept from underneath them as they cheer him on. Truly a dark day for our future generations.

Orange Man is not going to bring about D-Day lol

 

[Toby D. Dog]

Orange Man is not going to bring about D-Day lol

If you are a fan of the financial protection bureau, the EPA, social security or Medicare, reproductive rights, then it doesn’t bode well for you. All the polling indicates that young people care deeply about these issues. Trump has been openly hostile against all these institutions and policies. But if you fuck with his vibes then ig that’s good enough.

 

[Ultra]

Bro, that’s your opinion and I’m not even contesting it. All I’m saying is he knew what it would mean, you don’t need me to reinforce your own opinions do you?

My point being any behavior that is a response to a 5 second window with the very serious possibility of death can't really be described as calculated, that's dumb

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If you are a fan of the financial protection bureau, the EPA, social security or Medicare, reproductive rights, then it doesn’t bode well for you. All the polling indicates that young people care deeply about these issues. Trump has been openly hostile against all these institutions and policies. But if you fuck with his vibes then ig that’s good enough.

Mate you remember he was president for four years already

 

[Toby D. Dog]

My point being any behavior that is a response to a 5 second window with the very serious possibility of death can't really be described as calculated, that's dumb

It’s the spark of the moment my man. He has the mind for it. But I get it, you like his vibe. I personally don’t.

 

[Ultra]

It’s the spark of the moment my man. He has the mind for it. But I get it, you like his vibe. I personally don’t.

Being performative is definitely an aspect to his character but you sound totally dismissive about how hard that is to do if someone isn't actually genuinely willing to uh, die for politics

 

[Toby D. Dog]

Mate you remember he was president for four years already

Yeah, and my guy destroyed the financial protection bureau. One of the few good things that Biden did was restore it to its former self. He appointed two justices which ultimately brought the downfall of Roe v Wade. And he already has plans to gut the EPA. So yeah, not really good if you actually care about policy.

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Being performative is definitely an aspect to his character but you sound totally dismissive about how hard that is to do if someone isn't actually genuinely willing to uh, die for politics

My man, let me put it plainly, I don’t give a fuck if he looks hard or not. That’s not at the crux of my politics. I care about policy.

 

[Ultra]

Yeah, and my guy destroyed the financial protection bureau. One of the few good things that Biden did was restore it to its former self. He appointed two justices which ultimately brought the downfall of Roe v Wade. And he already has plans to gut the EPA. So yeah, not really good if you actually care about policy.

Sounds like a bunch of burdensome regulations to confuse my poor employees. Good riddance

 

[RyoQ]

Science is a methodology to ACQUIRE knowledge its not knowledge itself

What kind of knowledge?

You're about to say "about the material world", to which I reiterate is a TYPE OF KNOWLEDGE

Logic is a methodology to PROCESS knowledge, its not knowledge either

What does the process of logic result in, genius?

Science relies more on a practice than reason or logic (even tho those are tools). Again, science is a methodology.

Let me draw a comparison with science to something similar, to further my point

Calculation, is reason as pertains to mathematical truths, such as that 1 + 1 = 2

Science, is reason as pertains to empircal
truths, such as that the moon can be observed to travel in cycles

Both calculation and science are methods of logic, which lead to a specific type of knowledge

Thus science cannot be divorced from abstraction, since science relies on declaring something as true/false, is/isn't

And since abstraction is existence without matter, materialism is false, since not only material but abstract truths exist

To deny that abstract truths exist, knowledge & logic cease to exist, thus reason ceases to exist, and thus science

 

[K!NG HARA$H!MA]

Thing is even if you think Trump is moderate,


He'll will pave the way for someone more radical


And Democrats candidates would need to appease some of the radicals to get power back

 

[Ultra]

No mate. That's what you don't get.

Science is a methodology to ACQUIRE knowledge its not knowledge itself.


No lol.

Logic is a methodology to PROCESS knowledge, its not knowledge either.



Science relies more on a practice than reason or logic (even tho those are tools). Again, science is a methodology.



Materialism (in the actual context) is literally the application of scientific knowledge mate.

I think you don't understand what we are talking about here.


I wouldn't be so sure



Remember that the same luck is applying to that guy:

Why do communists always prattle on about irrelevant nonsense. How is this related to politics?

 

[Toby D. Dog]

Sounds like a bunch of burdensome regulations to confuse my poor employees. Good riddance

LMAO. At least you’re honest and admit you don’t care about policy, you just like it cuz he did something an anime character would do.

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Sounds like a bunch of burdensome regulations to confuse my poor employees. Good riddance

And just so you know, the financial protection bureau helps defrauded Americans to get their money back after, you know, being defrauded. But obviously you don’t care about helping common people, or the environment, or access to healthcare. How does it feel to live in la la land?

 

[Ultra]

Thing is even if you think Trump is moderate,


He'll will pave the way for someone more radical


And Democrats candidates would need to appease some of the radicals to get power back

Good. We need to become stronger, better, faster, greater...we need to focus on punishing violent criminals and making our country safe and clean again.

 

[Saturn-sama]

Btw do you think he was hit by a bullet or the glass of the teleprompter?

The teleprompter looked fine and if he tilted his head a little bit he would be dead anyways, but even if he was glazed wouldn‘t there be a lot more blood on his ear?

 

[Toby D. Dog]

Thing is even if you think Trump is moderate,


He'll will pave the way for someone more radical


And Democrats candidates would need to appease some of the radicals to get power back

Hence, democrats will keep moving to the right when in comes to fiscal policy.

 

[RyoQ]

Why do communists always prattle on about irrelevant nonsense. How is this related to politics?

The Communist divorces meaning from matter, matter becomes meaningless, and so there is no more good and evil, and so he can live as hedonistically as he desires without a guilty conscious

 

[Ultra]

LMAO. At least you’re honest and admit you don’t care about policy, you just like it cuz he did something an anime character would do.

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And just so you know, the financial protection bureau helps defrauded Americans to get their money back after, you know, being defrauded. But obviously you don’t care about helping common people, or the environment, or access to healthcare. How does it feel to live in la la land?

I don't live in La La land. I love in money land. I got fat bankrolls because my taxes are low and I only need to pay my minimum wage workers 7.50. Cry more LIB.

On a serious note though, the shadow of globalization is the biggest threat to the middle class and dwarfs political consideration. I think you could have dems in office for 12 years and it would still be utterly destroyed in that time, they're not really doing what's really needed to undo the damage and turn back the tide.

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The Communist divorces meaning from matter, matter becomes meaningless, and so there is no more good and evil, and so he can live as hedonistically as he desires without a guilty conscious

Commies aren't even good empiricists though. Like even if you have a completely godless rational worldview planned economies are abject logical failures in understanding entropy. They're psueds.

 

[Logiko]

What kind of knowledge?

You're about to say "about the material world", to which I reiterate is a TYPE OF KNOWLEDGE

About the universe and everything in it and beyond. Simple



The scientific knowledge are a type of knowledge. Science is a methodology and a practice.

What does the process of logic result in, genius?

Same thing, in logical knowledge. Logic is the methodology, not the result. Einstein.

Calculation, is reason as pertains to mathematical truths, such as that 1 + 1 = 2

Nop. Calculation is a method of organization of data.

Reason is a philosophical concept. Not the same thing.

Science, is reason as pertains to empircal

Same thing

Both calculation and science are methods of logic, which lead to a specific type of knowledge

That's right and a practice * for science.

Thus science cannot be divorced from abstraction, since science relies on declaring something as true/false, is/isn't

No. Science is not about declaring something true or false. Science has nothing to do with the concept of truth.

Science does not seek to learn the truth, it seeks to understand reality to the maximum.

Same thing, science does not seek the notion of existence or innexistence, but search what the understanding of reality and beyond.

You got a little bit lost in your philosophical papers I think

And since abstraction is existence without matter, materialism is false, since not only material but abstract truths exist

Materialism has nothing to do with abstraction. You are lost mate. Time to stop smocking your philosophical exam sheets and come back to earth.

 

[Toby D. Dog]

I don't live in La La land. I love in money land. I got fat bankrolls because my taxes are low and I only need to pay my minimum wage workers 7.50. Cry more LIB.

On a serious note though, the shadow of globalization is the biggest threat to the middle class and dwarfs political consideration. I think you could have dems in office for 12 years and it would still be utterly destroyed in that time, they're not really doing what's really needed to undo the damage and turn back the tide.

I love how you talk about globalization when you’re bragging about underpaying your employees. You’re the problem my guy, you’re doing fine and have the luxury of having financial security no matter what while still trying to fuck over the little man and blaming it on someone else. Classic.