Controversial General Political Discussion

[NAMELESS]

You might start to understand why I say that Rioting is something a legitimate solution to a problem.



Can you give sources validating that claim ?

Allan dos Santos used to have a youtube channel with over a 1million subscribers,he has being living in the US for a couple of years now.See:
https://agenciabrasil.ebc.com.br/ju...logueiros-por-mirarem-agentes-da-pf-nas-redes

This guy was basically the Brazilian Joe Rogan,had to flee to the US too.
https://oglobo.globo.com/politica/n...sobediencia-e-aplica-multa-de-r-300-mil.ghtml

Another right winger journalist suffering persecution:
https://g1.globo.com/politica/notic...logueiro-bolsonarista-oswaldo-eustaquio.ghtml

Even foreigners:
https://www.poder360.com.br/poder-i...or-crime-de-opiniao-diz-jornalista-portugues/

More examples:
https://www.cartacapital.com.br/car...-setembro-moraes-manda-prender-bolsonaristas/
https://revistaoeste.com/politica/moraes-manda-prender-jornalista-humorista/
https://www.gazetadopovo.com.br/rep...der-jornalista-conservador-wellington-macedo/
https://www.poder360.com.br/poder-j...oraes-manda-ze-trovao-para-prisao-domiciliar/
https://revistaoeste.com/politica/m...eia-contas-de-paulo-figueiredo-e-constantino/
https://br.investing.com/news/polit...ID=21449754171&ISP=1&ppu=9801673&gad_source=1
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/elon-musk-slams-brazil-pseudo-judge-after-order-to-suspend-x-6456714

Not sure if this became an actual law,but the atmosphere in social media is that you can get persecuted by posts criticizing the actual government.
https://www.gazetadopovo.com.br/vid...isao-a-quem-criticar-politicos-e-autoridades/

Ofc, there is a lot of stuff going on that i'm not aware of and that didn't make any headlines.

 

[Owl Ki]

Do they still have twitter in Venezuela?

I think Maduro banned it or announced his intention to ban it on the grounds of Musk attempting to influence the Venezuelan election with Twitter, which to be fair he actually was trying his best to run election interference. I kept getting Musk's wailing tweets for like two weeks straight cause he was mad about Maduro. Everybody was getting those tweets. It was kinda pathetic honestly.

 

[NAMELESS]

You should move to Venezuela or Cuba. They’d fit you

Nahhh,i think i would just migrate to Germany and live of their welfare.

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You might start to understand why I say that Rioting is something a legitimate solution to a problem.



Can you give sources validating that claim ?

Protesting is legitimare,but breaking public shit or private property never is.
edit: protesting! I meant protesting is legit.

 

[Toby D. Dog]

I think Maduro banned it or announced his intention to ban it on the grounds of Musk attempting to influence the Venezuelan election with, which to be fair he actually was trying his best to run election interference. I kept getting Musk's wailing tweets for like two weeks straight cause he was mad about Maduro. Everybody was getting those tweets. It was kinda pathetic honestly.

I mean, Maduro clearly lost that election. Even someone like me who has nothing but contempt for Musk and the Venezuelan opposition leaders, it is undeniable that Maduro rigged the results.

 

[NAMELESS]

I mean, Maduro clearly lost that election. Even someone like me who has nothing but contempt for Musk and the Venezuelan opposition leaders, it is undeniable that Maduro rigged the results.

What is so evil about the Venezuelan opposition?

 

[Logiko]

Rioting is legitimare,but breaking public shit or private property never is.

Yes it is mate. You don't get change from the power in term of oppression by singing Kumbaya. You get it through strike and when no one is listening, by scaring said power.

It's sad to have to got through this, and it's not good for some people, but sometimes it's perfectly needed and therefore legitimate.

I'll go through your sources later.

 

[NAMELESS]

Yes it is mate. You don't get change from the power in term of oppression by singing Kumbaya. You get it through strike and when no one is listening, by scaring said power.

It's sad to have to got through this, and it's not good for some people, but sometimes it's perfectly needed and therefore legitimate.

I'll go through your sources later.

I would rather everyone bought bitcoin and stopped pumping money into this system. Violence is the dumb solution. Unarmed majority vs armed minority=Genocide.

 

[Owl Ki]

What is so evil about the Venezuela opposition?

CIA backed pro-Zionist sellouts. As soon as they get in, you just know those fecks are going to care more about Israel than Venezuela and go full Milei. They've already been pictured waving Israeli flags. Expect them to soon be wearing kippahs and kissing the Wall.

Yes it is mate. You don't get change from the power in term of oppression by singing Kumbaya. You get it through strike and when no one is listening, by scaring said power.

It's sad to have to got through this, and it's not good for some people, but sometimes it's perfectly needed and therefore legitimate.

I'll go through your sources later.

If people are running rampant through cities and stealing everybody's stuff, they aren't revolutionaries, they're opportunistic societal jackals that are rioting purely to steal shit. That or agent provocateurs sent to spoil the movement. Thieves should not be tolerated by those who genuinely believe in an actual movement.

Destroying a government building is one thing. Ransacking a street of family businesses is completely different.

 

[NAMELESS]

CIA backed pro-Zionist sellouts. As soon as they get in, you just know those fecks are going to care more about Israel than Venezuela and go full Milei. They've already been pictured waving Israeli flags. Expect them to soon be wearing kippahs and kissing the Wall.

If people are running rampant through cities and stealing everybody's stuff, they aren't revolutionaries, they're opportunistic societal jackals that are rioting purely to steal shit. That or agent provocateurs sent to spoil the movement. Thieves should not be tolerated by those who genuinely believe in an actual movement.

Destroying a government building is one thing. Ransacking a street of family businesses is completely different.

Many conservatives are pro-Israel. It has nothing to do with CIA or Zionism. Criminals obviously infiltrate every riot and there are those that are sent by the government itself. Drop the crack pipe.

 

[Logiko]

Violence is the dumb solution.

Do not confuse political violence in protest with real violence.

Real violence comes from the one who create the oppressions. Choosing to accept it without doing anything and tanking waves after waves of oppressions will only result in you being more oppressed and with a power that think that they will be able to do more and more.

Violence in itself and as a way to protest is not a problem in itself, just like anger.

Yes, some properties might be damaged, and it's sad but when you have no choice, it's that or giving your a*s to the ennemy to be spanked endlessly with oppressive political reforms.

So you tell, me, do you have another choice ?

If people are running rampant through cities and stealing everybody's stuff, they aren't revolutionaries

Well.. keep that mindset and we will see if your country will be able to face real authoritarism.

What you are describing are not the riots in itself, but peripherical behaviors that are sadly not really avoidable unless there is a strong organization.

Destroying a government building is one thing. Ransacking a street of family businesses is completely different.

Yeah, I agree. But unless you manage to get all your ally under the same synchronization, those type of actions will happens. Either because of random dumb people who take advantage or because of an infiltration of the power.

So you need to ask yourself : How much oppression are you willing to accept until you are ready to use political protest violence to make a point and be ready to accept the consequences ?

 

[NAMELESS]

Do not confuse political violence in protest with real violence.

Real violence comes from the one who create the oppressions. Choosing to accept it without doing anything and tanking waves after waves of oppressions will only result in you being more oppressed and with a power that think that they will be able to do more and more.

Violence in itself and as a way to protest is not a problem in itself, just like anger.

Yes, some properties might be damaged, and it's sad but when you have no choice, it's that or giving your a*s to the ennemy to be spanked endlessly with oppressive political reforms.

So you tell, me, do you have another choice ?



Well.. keep that mindset and we will see if your country will be able to face real authoritarism.

What you are describing are not the riots in itself, but peripherical behaviors that are sadly not really avoidable unless there is a strong organization.



Yeah, I agree. But unless you manage to get all your ally under the same synchronization, those type of actions will happens. Either because of random dumb people who take advantage or because of an infiltration of the power.

So you need to ask yourself : How much oppression are you willing to accept until you are ready to use political protest violence to make a point and be ready to accept the consequences ?

We do:
*The masses should abstain from voting.
*The masses should abstain from paying taxes.
*The masses should buy cryptocurrency(cold wallet) to keep their property away from gov.
*The masses should create a parallel government.
*The new parallel government should declare anyone involved with the prior regime unfit to participate in public life.
*The masses should call for a new constitution and then elections.

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@Logiko burning trash cans solves nothing.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

There’s certainly more prosperous countries in South America, Brazil is just the biggest economy.

Uruguay and Chile come to mind.

Ikr
Germany is also considered a rich country but the citizens themselves aren't for multiple reasons

 

[AL sama]

protesting is good but rioting?? hell no

this is coming from someone whose country just took down a dictating government

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

protesting is good but rioting?? hell no

this is coming from someone whose country just took down a dictating government

And how's it going over there in Bangladesh? Haven't checked out the news in a while. Has the military taken over yet?

 

[Logiko]

We do:
*The masses should abstain from voting.
*The masses should abstain from paying taxes.
*The masses should buy cryptocurrency(cold wallet) to keep their property away from gov.
*The masses should create a parallel government.
*The new parallel government should declare anyone involved with the prior regime unfit to participate in public life.
*The masses should call for a new constitution and then elections

This is not "another choice", this is liberatarianism. Meaning the complete ignorance of the reality of social relationship and human behavior for a hyper meritocratic and capitalistic world.

This is a system where solidarity is absent. A literal door toward VAST series of oppressions:
- Against poor people
- Against women
- Against people with disabilities
- Against minorities

So your answer to oppression is even more oppressions. Cool.

protesting is good but rioting?? hell no

this is coming from someone whose country just took down a dictating government

Political violence was literally used to scare your previous gouvernment out of power, WDYM ?



Literally hundreds of people died while fighting for you to have a less oppressive gov!

Have some respect for them at least.

 

[Owl Ki]

Many conservatives are pro-Israel. It has nothing to do with CIA or Zionism.

If you're pro-Isreal then you're a Zionist. I don't expect a nation in South America to even care about Israel/Palestine. But waving Israeli flags is a full on brown nosing bitch move.

If I see my government waving the flag of another nation en masse, I'm just going to consider them a cabinet of cucks. Only the flag of the nation should fly in the nation's seat of power.

Criminals obviously infiltrate every riot and there are those that are sent by the government itself. Drop the crack pipe.

Ain't we mostly agreeing here? Excusing looting rioters is bullshit cause they're either criminals (likely) or feds (possible)? Lol.

 

[AL sama]

And how's it goinag over there in Bangladesh? Haven't checked out the news in a while. Has the military taken over yet?

we now have an interim government until we can hold an election again

things are still very unstable and unsafe

to top things many areas got flooded and millions of people are suffering

 

[Toby D. Dog]

CIA backed pro-Zionist sellouts. As soon as they get in, you just know those fecks are going to care more about Israel than Venezuela and go full Milei. They've already been pictured waving Israeli flags. Expect them to soon be wearing kippahs and kissing the Wall.

Yeah, they’re already poising themselves to privatize absolutely everything. Machado said it plain and simple.

They won fair and square tho, and Maduro has caused nothing but misery. I’ve seen it first hand everytime I go back to Colombia and see homeless migrants all over the place.

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Ikr
Germany is also considered a rich country but the citizens themselves aren't for multiple reasons

I don’t think is the same exact situation. Inequality in Brazil is just on another level. Even the US is not as unequal as places like Brazil or Ecuador.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

we now have an interim government until we can hold an election again

things are still very unstable and unsafe

to top things many areas got flooded and millions of people are suffering

Shit

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I don’t think is the same exact situation. Inequality in Brazil is just on another level. Even the US is not as unequal as places like Brazil or Ecuador.

Yes I know. I didn't want to sound like playing the victim card, just pointing out that big economy ≠ prosperous citizens

 

[AL sama]

Political violence was literally used to scare your previous gouvernment out of power, WDYM ?



Literally hundreds of people died while fighting for you to have a less oppressive gov!

Have some respect for them at least.

no you ignorant boy (even tho you're older than me) don't go thinking rioting did anything good to the nation

in fact it did nothing to the government and they only got scared when the entire nation started protesting against them

also while most students were just protesting some morons took advantage of the situation and started rioting which only caused trouble to normal folks

in fact some morons are still rioting and damaging the country