Controversial General Political Discussion

[Bisoromi Bear]

reject nationalism reject democracy

Embrace theocracy mashallah 🙏

 

[Uncle Van]

For two reasons:

- Because the majority of writers in video game development are white straight boyz.
- Because you can tell from an outside Pov when a white liberal man write a racialized one, especially a woman.

It will be racist to say that video game are made by striaght white men when it will not be the case for the statistical majority of games in the west.


Using the "DEI" argument ? The new buzz word of the far right ? Come on..

Yeah, find me 5.

Again, you are depoliticizing the argumentation. Thinking that it's because they are bad writers that liberals write or create bad videogames. When in reality it's a political question. It's due to the fact that liberals do not understand the big frontieres that minorities, women or activist have to face everyday. They only have a surface knowledge and thus, they depoliticize the content.

So.. Instead of writing young minorities in suburbs or ghettos in precarity .. they write young bourgois minorities in those area who act like poor people. This is why.. They sometimes feel completely disconnected from the people they write.

And it's not some personnal vendetta that I have against liberals, it's just a cold fact. They have a political lenance that will usually prevent them from really understanding the frontieres that face minorities or people in difficulties in front of the system (women/racialized/Psychiatrized/Neuroa/lgbtqi+ etc.).

Take me for example, when I was an hardcore liberal, I started to imagine characters that where white, poor, black in the hope to write something a bit realistic. Well, once I started to go toward the left and the radical left, I saw ALL the flaws and lack of understanding in the characters that I was trying to write. I had imagined a woman like I was writing a white man.. I had imagined an LGBT character like I was writing a straight man etc.

I was completely oblivious to what those characters would face in real life, simply because I had just a surface liberal and progressive level knowledge of what those people would face in real life.

When the game is developped and written by priviledged people that do not care to understand the DEEP frontieres that face people in difficulities in society, they will only write fantasized version of them from a privildged point of view.

So stating facts aka things you disagree with, is far right. The usual long ass nonsense.

 

[Punk Rotten]

So stating facts aka things you disagree with, is far right. The usual long ass nonsense.

It’s long ass response, but it’s true. You’re dodging the points made just because they took the time to lay it out for you. Whenever I see a tldr; type of reply it seems like there’s no counter argument.

 

[Logiko]

So stating facts aka things you disagree with, is far right. The usual long ass nonsense.

Nice strawman to avoid reading the rest.

I did not say that. I said that this is the usual buzzword of the far right. Just like "woke" was until they understood that it meant nothing bad.

If you can give me 5 known trash liberal writer, then yes, I'll START to agree with you. In the meantime, this argument is as shallow as a political shows written by liberals.

 

[Ravagerblade]

Nice strawman to avoid reading the rest.

I did not say that. I said that this is the usual buzzword of the far right. Just like "woke" was until they understood that it meant nothing bad.

If you can give me 5 known trash liberal writer, then yes, I'll START to agree with you. In the meantime, this argument is as shallow as a political shows written by liberals.

Just look up any SBI writer.

 

[Roo]

The best "black" video game ever is gta sa and it was made by a bunch of Scandinavians lol

 

[Uncle Van]

It’s long ass response, but it’s true. You’re dodging the points made just because they took the time to lay it out for you. Whenever I see a tldr; type of reply it seems like there’s no counter argument.

Well that's your assumption as someone who shows up without knowing anything. This is like the 6th time this topic came up and his argument never changed.

 

[AL sama]

another one showed up?? lol

 

[Logiko]

Indeed, my opinion didn't change on liberal media. Just like people here still don't understand the difference between liberal medias and leftist ones.

Just look up any SBI writer.

Do you have example of bad representations coming from Sweet Baby Inc. ?

 

[Ravagerblade]

Indeed, my opinion didn't change on liberal media. Just like people's still don't understand the difference between liebral media and leftist ones.


Do you have example of bad representations coming from Sweet Baby Inc. ?

That's a loaded question, because for you they hold the gospel.

 

[Logiko]

That's a loaded question, because for you they hold the gospel.

I didn't play to those games. So that's a genuine question.

 

[Uncle Van]

Indeed, my opinion didn't change on liberal media. Just like people's still don't understand the difference between liebral media and leftist ones.


Do you have example of bad representations coming from Sweet Baby Inc. ?

Sorry that I don't believe in the racist and sexist rhetoric that says race and sex determines writing ability.

It doesn't matter who the person is. If their ability to write is trash, they will always create trash stories regardless of how they are or what they're writing about.

Sweet Baby? Can just mention Suicide Squad and be done with it.

 

[Zenos7]

Why are you capping so hard for privileged people? Do you feel personality attacked?

have no idea what you are on about, i just asked logiko a question because he made it sound like "privileged people" is synonymous with not caring about oppressed people.

i wouldnt exactly consider myself privileged

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They become leftists.

and do they still write from a privileged point of view?

 

[Roo]

Writing on most forms of media has always been bad, you just didn't see it because it was directed at different audiences or you're blinded by nostalgia

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Nothing wrong with gaming as a hobby, unless it interfere with your career or social life

I'd say the push for "woke" content by executives has led to a lot more shitty writers getting jobs in an industry. Didn't it leak that pixar was hiring people straight from tumblr? Like literal fanfic writers getting jobs lmao

At the end of the day these companies do research, and try to appeal to what they believe is a major demographic in order to make money. If you don't like it, don't buy it or watch it.

 

[Logiko]

Sorry that I don't believe in the racist and sexist rhetoric that says race and sex determines writing ability.

It does not. You didn't understand the point. It's a matter of political and social comprehension.

have no idea what you are on about, i just asked logiko a question because he made it sound like "privileged people" is synonymous with not caring about oppressed people.

i wouldnt exactly consider myself privileged

It has nothing to do with the fact of no caring about oppressed people. Priviledge people are not some kind of Tenryubito who look at the working class with disdain.

It's about being able to understand POLITICALLY and SOCIALLY what other people are living, simply because we are aware of what they are facing everyday. And you can't do that if you are not politically engaged in the action of understanding clearly what those people are living.

For example I'm am a priviledge person on the conditions of gender, sex and in regard to racism. I do NOT face any oppression related to those parameters.. so, how do you expect me to understand what live people who live them if I'm not aware CLEARLY of the walls that those people have to face everyday.

TO that, you need to add the social class, the capitals etc. Writing characters that are not straight white cis men without fetishising them or butchering them is really hard when you are a straight white cis man and it often demand a REAL understanding of the political context behind those representations.

and do they still write from a privileged point of view?

Yes, but they will have a lot less probabilities to write something bad.

 

[Roo]

TO that, you need to add the social class, the capitals etc. Writing characters that are not straight white cis men without fetishising them or butchering them is really hard when you are a straight white cis man a

You do realize the same can happen from the other side. Like it's really easy to tell when a woman is writing a male character lol

 

[Logiko]

You do realize the same can happen from the other side. Like it's really easy to tell when a woman is writing a male character lol

Oh, you think ? Do you have 5 examples of badly written men by women ?

 

[Roo]

Oh, you think ? Do you have 5 examples of badly written men by women ?

Look up top 5 romance films lmao. Why do you think these movies generally don't appeal to men? It's not because we don't like romance

 

[Logiko]

Look up top 5 romance films lmao. Why do you think these movies generally don't appeal to men? It's not because we don't like romance

You have examples ?

 

[Uncle Van]

It does not. You didn't understand the point. It's a matter of political and social comprehension.



It has nothing to do with the fact of no caring about oppressed people. Priviledge people are not some kind of Tenryubito who look at the working class with disdain.

It's about being able to understand POLITICALLY and SOCIALLY what other people are living, simply because we are aware of what they are facing everyday. And you can't do that if you are not politically engaged in the action of understanding clearly what those people are living.

For example I'm am a priviledge person on the conditions of gender, sex and in regard to racism. I do NOT face any oppression related to those parameters.. so, how do you expect me to understand what live people who live them if I'm not aware CLEARLY of the walls that those people have to face everyday.

TO that, you need to add the social class, the capitals etc. Writing characters that are not straight white cis men without fetishising them or butchering them is really hard when you are a straight white cis man and it often demand a REAL understanding of the political context behind those representations.



Yes, but they will have a lot less probabilities to write something bad.

No genius. Writing and execution determine everything in entertainment mediums. It's why Aliens(female lead) is great while Charlie's Angels remake(female leads) suck.

Oh, you think ? Do you have 5 examples of badly written men by women ?

The Charlie's Angels remake. All of the men in the movie. Even the legendary Partrick Stewart sucked.