Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

This just isn’t true

Immigrants aren’t coming from Gaza or Ukraine

They are economic migrants. They pass through Mexico, which is better off than most developing countries.

Which is exactly what "no choice" means. Do you think that people just risk having their kids taken away, their lives ruined just because they want to have a better pay check ?

FFS wake the F up.

Some people are risking their lives just to get in Europe or the US and what they get in return is people calling them illegals or criminals.

And no, concern about immigration isn’t inherently racist.

Yes it is. Immigrantion is fundamentaly beneficial for the economy. It's a known fact. The only reason why people get mad is because of identitary values and nothing more.

Immigration can destabilize a nation.

No. The far right and liberals can use immigration to destabilize a nation. NUANCE.

Immigration is a problem only because there is an identitary reject happening.

If you want an example of this, go look at the Middle East.

Middle east what ? Those countries are in war and the reason is not immigration, but the imperialism of the west, the opportunism of the East, and the religious tensions.

Look what Zionism did to the Palestinians,

This is not immigration, this is colonization, meaning a state using state violence and the army to wipe out generations of people. It's has NOTHING to do with immigration. People welcomed Jewish at the start and even if there was some tensions, it could have go well if Israel restricted itself from attacking everyone.

As for the refugees, the problem is the same, it's not an immigration problem, but a welcoming one.

No one is stopping them to come to countries through proper visa and documentation

Good, tell that to poor people people who live under the treat of drug cartels. Such wise words...

And, you people need to stop branding everyone as racists, nazis - it's damn annoying and reflects your lack of cognitive maturity

Oh no, we won't stop, because the problem is not us, but this system and you who have the humanity cursor to the minimum. So low in term of dehumanization that you don't even see the problem with calling people who risk their lives to get in... "illegals".

I know a lot about man-power business and all I'll say is illegal immigrants aren't as poor or helpless as some of you think they are

Once you live your home and give up your previous life to risk your life to get across a border, no matter as you see it, those people are in difficulty and need help.

it really is a product of global capitalism that keeps unequal systems unequal.

It's like saying that the problem in rape cases are women dressing fancy when the problems are men are patriarchy. The problem is capitalism, not immigration.

Target the right problem and not the victims of it.

But the result of this is that the west steals Indian labor and uses it for their own benefit.

So.. the problem is capitalism and the bad treatment of migrants. Got ya.

immigration also increases racism and sectarian conflicts.

Wrong. Liberals octracizes migrants and the far right in many country create moral panic over migrants.

Again, the problem is not immigration. You are looking naively at the wrong problem.

 

[AL sama]

Typical racist speech. Migrants are working and have their own houses too

are you being serious or is this sarcasm??

Once you live your home and give up your previous life to risk your life to get across a border, no matter as you see it, those people are in difficulty and need

I doubt you know about man-power more than me

 

[Blax Blah]

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are you being serious or is this sarcasm??

I doubt you know about man-power more than me

I don't know what you mean by man-power but could you please point me to where I can learn about it?,

 

[Logiko]

I doubt you know about man-power more than me

You have studies showing migrants are wealthy and not in difficulty ?

 

[AL sama]

I don't know what you mean by man-power but could you please point me to where I can learn about it?,

A manpower business, often known as a staffing agency or recruitment agency, is a type of business that provides organizations with temporary, contract, or permanent workers. These agencies match qualified job seekers with companies looking to fill specific roles, effectively serving as a bridge between employers and employees.
Key services provided by manpower businesses include:

1. Temporary Staffing: Supplying workers for short-term assignments, often to cover seasonal needs, special projects, or unexpected absences.
2. Permanent Placement: Helping companies recruit and hire full-time employees by sourcing, screening, and interviewing candidates.
3. Contract Staffing: Providing employees on a fixed-term contract basis, often for specific projects or to meet business needs that aren't permanent.
4. Payroll Services: Handling payroll for temporary employees, reducing administrative work for the client company.
5. Onboarding and Training: Offering onboarding support, and sometimes training, to ensure workers are prepared for their roles.

These services are beneficial to businesses looking to quickly scale their workforce without long-term commitments and to workers seeking flexible job opportunities. Manpower businesses operate in various industries, from general labor and administrative support to specialized fields like IT, healthcare, and engineering.


most of the time these things happen illegally between countries

 

[Blax Blah]

A manpower business, often known as a staffing agency or recruitment agency, is a type of business that provides organizations with temporary, contract, or permanent workers. These agencies match qualified job seekers with companies looking to fill specific roles, effectively serving as a bridge between employers and employees.
Key services provided by manpower businesses include:

1. Temporary Staffing: Supplying workers for short-term assignments, often to cover seasonal needs, special projects, or unexpected absences.
2. Permanent Placement: Helping companies recruit and hire full-time employees by sourcing, screening, and interviewing candidates.
3. Contract Staffing: Providing employees on a fixed-term contract basis, often for specific projects or to meet business needs that aren't permanent.
4. Payroll Services: Handling payroll for temporary employees, reducing administrative work for the client company.
5. Onboarding and Training: Offering onboarding support, and sometimes training, to ensure workers are prepared for their roles.

These services are beneficial to businesses looking to quickly scale their workforce without long-term commitments and to workers seeking flexible job opportunities. Manpower businesses operate in various industries, from general labor and administrative support to specialized fields like IT, healthcare, and engineering.


most of the time these things happen illegally between countries

Awesome is there any place you recommend I learn about it?,

 

[AL sama]

You have studies showing migrants are wealthy and not in difficulty ?

I have first hand experience of manpower business that's all I m gonna say to you
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Awesome is there any place you recommend I learn about it?,

just google or ask chat GPT

 

[Logiko]

I have first hand experience of manpower business that's all I m gonna say to you

So you just threw some assertion implying that people who risk their lives to enter a country are in difficulty, but nothing more ?

Good, next time come in Paris or Calais to take a good look at the reality of migrants in Capitalist societies:

 

[AL sama]

people don't even understand what first hand experience mean lol

 

[Mathias]

are you being serious or is this sarcasm?

« Your living room must be big haha » and various synonym expressions like this have always been part of the xenophobic rhetoric.

It’s like « where are the Swedes and Norwegians immigrants » implying that Northern Europeans are the best humans or what.

They are illegal - want me to spell it for you or define what illegal means?

No one is stopping them to come to countries through proper visa and documentation


And, you people need to stop branding everyone as racists, nazis - it's damn annoying and reflects your lack of cognitive maturity

America the continent is such a geographical fuck up tha gets to go the US-Canada and nowhere else.

Trump supporters are heavy intolerants (/racists) and egoists no matter their family roots going to Latin america, China, Middle East or South Asia.



Also I already told you I couldn’t care less who labels them as illegal.

Example here: Macron spit on democracy with the last legislative election in France. If he had named the winner to rule the country as everyone did in the past. Then the PM Lucie Castets would have cancelled the « illegal » immigrant label asap by giving the citizenship to hundreds of thousands. There is a world between guys who think about their living room like narcissist and us who treat humans like they should be treated.

 

[Logiko]

people don't even understand what first hand experience mean lol

I'm sure migrants crossing the mediteranean seaa and the mexican border are all waiting in line for this amazing knowledge

 

[Blax Blah]

« Your living room must be big haha » and various synonym expressions like this have always been part of the xenophobic rhetoric.

It’s like « where are the Swedes and Norwegians immigrants » implying that Northern Europeans are the best humans or what.




America the continent is such a geographical fuck up tha gets to go the US-Canada and nowhere else.

Trump supporters are heavy intolerants (/racists) and egoists no matter their family roots going to Latin america, China, Middle East or South Asia.



Also I already told you I couldn’t care less who labels them as illegal.

Example here: Macron spit on democracy with the last legislative election in France. If he had named the winner to rule the country as everyone did in the past. Then the PM Lucie Castets would have cancelled the « illegal » immigrant label asap by giving the citizenship to hundreds of thousands. There is a world between guys who think about their living room like narcissist and us who treat humans like they should be treated.

I think a lot of people just don't know about it, not that they are egoists or stupid,

 

[AL sama]

« Your living room must be big haha » and various synonym expressions like this have always been part of the xenophobic rhetoric.

It’s like « where are the Swedes and Norwegians immigrants » implying that Northern Europeans are the best humans or what.

go and read what he said he wasn't being a racist at all rather he was talking about illegal immigrants
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I'm sure migrants crossing the mediteranean seaa and the mexican border are all waiting in line for this amazing knowledge

you don't know anything about this business

people travel by plane almost all the time these days and if they get caught then they just get deported

 

[Mathias]

go and read what he said he wasn't being a racist at all rather he was talking about illegal immigrants

I know what I read. « Keep them in your house » we know what this means. This might not be legally qualified as racism but it is part of the whole rhetoric. I’m not complaining to a moderation level for this kinda post though.

Also this doesn’t even mean anything factually. He wants deportation but says « keep them in your house ». In the end, where is the logic ?

But anyway, I’m currently posting on a thread where 90% of people support Trump and post « I love the salt » to mostly Europeans who couldn’t care less about Trump at this point.

 

[Blax Blah]

I know what I read. « Keep them in your house » we know what this means. This might not be legally qualified as racism but it is part of the whole rhetoric. I’m not complaining to a moderation level for this kinda post though.

Also this doesn’t even mean anything factually. He wants deportation but says « keep them in your house ». In the end, where is the logic ?

But anyway, I’m currently posting on a thread where 90% of people support Trump and post « I love the salt » to mostly Europeans who couldn’t care less about Trump at this point.

Do you mean this thread?,

 

[AL sama]

I know what I read. « Keep them in your house » we know what this means. This might not be legally qualified as racism but it is part of the whole rhetoric. I’m not complaining to a moderation level for this kinda post though.

Also this doesn’t even mean anything factually. He wants deportation but says « keep them in your house ». In the end, where is the logic ?

But anyway, I’m currently posting on a thread where 90% of people support Trump and post « I love the salt » to mostly Europeans who couldn’t care less about Trump at this point.

figure of speech is a thing fam

 

[Logiko]

you don't know about this business

people travel by plane almost all the time these days and if they get caught then they just get deported

And you'd say those people are not risking everything to come and are not in difficult situations ?

 

[AL sama]

And you'd say those people are not risking everything to come and are not in difficult situations ?

majority of them don't risk everything nope

some do but the ratio is pretty low

however I'll say most people invest quite a hefty amount

 

[NAMELESS]

I know what I read. « Keep them in your house » we know what this means. This might not be legally qualified as racism but it is part of the whole rhetoric. I’m not complaining to a moderation level for this kinda post though.

Also this doesn’t even mean anything factually. He wants deportation but says « keep them in your house ». In the end, where is the logic ?

But anyway, I’m currently posting on a thread where 90% of people support Trump and post « I love the salt » to mostly Europeans who couldn’t care less about Trump at this point.

Couldn't care less? Your politicians want to create an EU army now. Which means more taxes for you guys.

 

[Logiko]

majority of them don't risk everything nope

some do but the ratio is pretty low

however I'll say most people invest quite a hefty amount

Damn... Well those guyz will be thrilled to know that !

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